james kiely

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chaps some advice please

look likes my sisters 05 focus,s timing belt has slipped .are we looking at all valves bent or worse ,

the car still starts and runs but sounds like a diesel

smudger068

So have you re-timed it then before running it? to then diagnose a comp test to see if you have possibley bent the valves?

PeterRST

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As above, set it correctly and do a compression test. If it's only one tooth you might have been lucky.

james kiely

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when we took off the cover it looks like the timing marks were out,so have assumed the belt has slipped

i picked up a new belt and tensioner and am going to retime it and see what the story is

james kiely

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yes pete going to give it a look tomorow and see what happened

Shifty Disco

MK2? Exact same thing happened to mine. Mine had jumped 2 teeth and had no damage.

Brendan

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I suspect that if it has jumped 1 lug you will be fine as the valve will only be a fraction open when the piston is at the top of the block.... The problems arise when the belt snaps and this leaves some valves fully or near fully open and the piston can then made contact with the valve.

jumping 1 lug will completely stuff the timing mind so the car will run like a lame dog! This tends to happen when Alloy cam belt pulley(s) are used and alloy is softer than steel the lugs get worn at the edge so causing sipping. This is why if you have a Alloy cam pulley you need to check it as well as the belt or get it hard anodized.

james kiely

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yes mate a mark 2 ,fingers crossed


did yours sound like a diesel when it happened to you ?

james kiely

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cheers brendan ,thanks for the info

it never broke so im just hoping the damage is minimal

petenete

no timing marks on a focus locking pin and a bar?

PeterRST

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The diesel sound is normal with a jumped tooth, yes.... Doesn't mean there has to be damage.

james kiely

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it was marked with tipex like the old times pete

james kiely

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fingers crossed so peter ,thanks for the info mate

liam-rst

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the focus has a floating bottom pulley, id check the crank pulley is torqued properly as its quite common for people not to do them up properly when changing the belt, and as you say it has tippex timing marks it would suggest the person who last had it off didn't know what they were doing or had the incorrect tools for the job

louis_2012

I timed mine up wrong and it sounded like a diesel when i started it, retimed it and it was fine.

james kiely

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cheers mate ,it was a ford dealer that done the belt last time lol.

do you know what the torque setting should be for the bottom pulley?

is it a stretch bolt and should i change it first ?


thanks for the info

liam-rst

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I'm not sure on the torque settings mate but you use your old bolts, lock the cams off with the bar and lock the bottom end off with the pin, release the cam pulleys and the crank pulley, with the pin in rotate the crank forward until it is stopped by the pin, you will be able to move the crank slightly with the pin in but its in the right position when fully forward, word of advise though dont fully tighten against the pin as it may bend and if the timing is that far out you may not be able to lock top and bottom off together without releasing one first, hope this makes sense

james kiely

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spot on mate ,thanks again

liam-rst

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No problems mate

martysmartie

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You should use a new bolt for the bottom pulley, in fact I believe you get a new one with most kits, reason being it's a stretch bolt!

These engines are a pain, as they have no key ways and torquing everything up correctly is essential, otherwise the pulleys can spin, which sounds like what has happened in your case.

Martin

martysmartie

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MK1 and 2 engines are the same, barring Ford renaming it.

Martin

liam-rst

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ive always used the old one, never been given a new one lol, ill make sure I do in the future, you live and learn

James B

I've got a Haynes manual for the 1600 mk2 if you want I can check that for torque settings?

James B

Haynes say..

Camshaft pulley bolt (not Ti-VCT engine)*: 60Nm.... 44lbf ft

Crankshaft pulley/vibration damper:*
Stage 1 40Nm..... 30lbf ft
Stage 2 Angle-tighten a further 90 degree

The Astrix key says *Use new Fasters

Cosnada

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In all fairness I would not retighten the crank bolt without locking the flywheel first. It is critical that the correct torque figures are achieved - how are you going to do this? Do not use the cam / crank locking tools! Take the starter out to jamb the flywheel to do it once and do it right with peace of mind.
There is no way I would want to turn a key on a car for the bottom pulley to spin - the starter out will put 1/2 hour on the job.
My opinion HTH

liam-rst

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I've only ever done them in car twice and both times they were autos and there just happens to be a slot in the flywheel cover at the back of the engine just big enough to get my small pry bar in, dont know if its there on a manual car though

Cosnada

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Good to know - will check it out on the next one I do. Not aware of any access on a manual though.

Its only on these I am thorough due to the lack of key way on the crank. The 1.8 and 2.0 are a sinch in comparrison and not much to worry about.

james kiely

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i never got near the car today due to weather


cheers guys their is really some top advice on here



are all these engines a little heavy on oil,i know my sis has being topping up the oil in the car

zetec-Sam

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These are prone to burning oil due to worn stem seals and/or piston rings, could be the start. Using a little oil isn't too bad, yet!

But, it's a Ford, so oil leaks are highly likely too.

liam-rst

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To be fair my old focus an fiesta zetec s didn't use fook all oil but I dont do that many miles anyway

james kiely

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cheers sam

im wondering now if the engine is foooked with a load of bent valves etc would i be better off getting a reconned head

or


how much would a good secondhand engine cost?

liam-rst

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300 shouts mate

Shifty Disco

Mine wouldn't turn over. Mine's a 1.6 TiVCT though.

martysmartie

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It wouldn't run if all the valves were bent, I would say it may be a couple, if any at all, it may just be incorrectly timed.

Martin

martysmartie

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Same engine, barring the VVT.

Martin

james kiely

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cheers guys for all the info,it was/is much appreciated.


got the new belt on today and got away without any damage atall,so happy days

liam-rst

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bit of a tickle if you ask me, was it much out?

james kiely

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it was out one tooth mate ,


thanks for your help btw

the_frozen_one

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Listen for slight ticking and occasional slight lump running especially from cold or at low speed. Usually the tensioner goes, it jumps 1 tooth seems to go back together fine but a few valves have kissed and are a wee bit cock eyed

Cosnada

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Glad ya sorted it and the non expensive route

How did you lock it up to remove and tighten the bottom pulley bolt?