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Old 03-04-2013 | 07:05 PM
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Default Sensibly priced alternative to the Toyo R888?

As above, anyone got any experiences? Will be looking for some rears for the Cossie this year, new plans
Old 03-04-2013 | 07:15 PM
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Dont yokohama do a semi slick thats road legal?
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Federal 595 RSR or Khumo V70a
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Ad08's or a048's both very good.
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Ade, speak to Steve harkness tyres in Yate,
He knocks out all sorts at pretty good prices at a few Combe track days!
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Federal 595 RSR get my vote, about 80% as good as the 888 in the dry, bit better in the wet, last longer and cheaper.

We use them as all round tyres for stuff like ring trips where we dont know what the weather will be but Ive been impressed with them in the dry too.
Old 03-04-2013 | 08:19 PM
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are r888s officially illegal for road use now ?
i loved those tyres they literally took 3 seconds of my 0 - 100 mph times in my supra compared to pirellis !
Old 03-04-2013 | 08:28 PM
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Ive got AD08's on the clio, but they are no replacement for 888's

Yoko A048's would be a better alternative
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Damn good question, and wish there was an answer. 888's are just bloody good.

I tried the Federal FZ-201's on the back of mine. Certainly for normal road use, they just seem too hard, so never grip the way they should.
With a bit of a burnout and then a race up the 1/4, they do improve, but obviously that's not practical. So they might make a decent track tyre.
That said, they're near the same price now as an 888....so I'd prob just go for an 888 if spending that money

Couple of friends use the R1R's on their Subarus and they find them very good, not vastly cheaper though.

Used the Kumho's ages ago and they are decent. On wider tyres though, the outer edge goes bald very quickly due to a shallow cut, so the tyres can fall foul of 1.6mm over 75% of the tread very quickly ( on my 265's that was barely over 1000 miles )
The centre bands still had plenty of depth though, but that was the only "tread" visible.
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888's are still fully road legal
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The only tyre ive found anywhere near the grip of the 888 was the Dunlop DO1J & they are no longer available. I would be facing the wrong way very quickly at my Power level without wide 888 on the rear. Dont change Ade it will be a step backwards unless you are going to enter drift events .
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Dunlop to a D03 now, although retail prices are far above the 888

Havent heard much reports about the newer Yoko's etc but having tried other tyres, I'm coming to the conclusion that the 888's are worth it.

However. And I dont know how well they would work or last. But there are a lot of Rally type tyres that are E-marked and road legal and in various compounds. I just cant find any info or people using them.

ie

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motors...yre-e-approved

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motors...yre-e-approved

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motors...yre-e-approved

possibly remoulds ?

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motors...track-day-tyre

It would be nice to find out some info on the above tyres, especially as different compounds are available.
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Originally Posted by Ridgey
888's are still fully road legal
no need to look elsewhere then imo, 295 wide r888s are imense in rwd.
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
The only tyre ive found anywhere near the grip of the 888 was the Dunlop DO1J & they are no longer available. I would be facing the wrong way very quickly at my Power level without wide 888 on the rear. Dont change Ade it will be a step backwards unless you are going to enter drift events .
Lol, no drifting Rod, not my bag. Looking at doing some acceleration stuff 0-60 0-100 0-150, 30-130, 1/4 mile etc. I have the final piece to my transmission jigsaw coming soon
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Lol, no drifting Rod, not my bag. Looking at doing some acceleration stuff 0-60 0-100 0-150, 30-130, 1/4 mile etc. I have the final piece to my transmission jigsaw coming soon
And are the tyres just for that purpose, or for road use too ? ie would you have spare wheels for a more dedicated tyre just for those events ?

TBH, any decent rwd car is going to suck, even with 888's

Other than the 0-150 there, which gives a little extra room to play, anything 0-80mph or so in a rwd car is the worst event you could enter simply due to lack of grip, unless it's at Santa Pod.

But any other crap surface, airfields etc...they're just terrible for grip. Best tyres Ive found so far are the Hoosier drag radials. Not road legal obviously.
Ive seen guys use some Avon hillclimb/rallycross slicks which work very well, but still havent managed to find exactly what tyre they used.

Not sure what Turnover used on his car ? he seemed to get great results.
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Lol, no drifting Rod, not my bag. Looking at doing some acceleration stuff 0-60 0-100 0-150, 30-130, 1/4 mile etc. I have the final piece to my transmission jigsaw coming soon

What diff you got Ade?

I think the times from your car will be very impressive!
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I thought all semi slicks were illegal now? Wasn't it being brought in back in September or something?
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What diff you got Ade?

I think the times from your car will be very impressive!
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
And are the tyres just for that purpose, or for road use too ? ie would you have spare wheels for a more dedicated tyre just for those events ?

TBH, any decent rwd car is going to suck, even with 888's

Other than the 0-150 there, which gives a little extra room to play, anything 0-80mph or so in a rwd car is the worst event you could enter simply due to lack of grip, unless it's at Santa Pod.

But any other crap surface, airfields etc...they're just terrible for grip. Best tyres Ive found so far are the Hoosier drag radials. Not road legal obviously.
Ive seen guys use some Avon hillclimb/rallycross slicks which work very well, but still havent managed to find exactly what tyre they used.

Not sure what Turnover used on his car ? he seemed to get great results.
The tyres are for use on the road and track, I've run R888's this way for years now, but because my 71/2" diff was the weak link - plus it has amazing traction with the Ahmed Bayjoo 6 degree rear beam/R888 combination - I have never been able to do full blooded launches without the crown wheel spitting it's teeth every where.

Now that I will have no more problems with the diff breaking I can see me getting through the rear tyres extremely quickly, hence the reason I asked the question about cheaper alternatives.

I think a few people will be quite surprised with how well it will do in the 0-60 0-100 etc as it really does have awesome grip once there is temperature in the rears, JamesH can vouch for this

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Originally Posted by CrOwSoN15
I thought all semi slicks were illegal now? Wasn't it being brought in back in September or something?
complete rubbish.

Its mostly to do with the tyre specification bollocks the EU has pushed through meaning that certain road legal slicks wont be produced as they wont meet the legislation.

Doesnt mean the tyres still in circulation or the stocks youve aquired are illegal to use on the road.
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
The tyres are for use on the road and track, I've run R888's this way for years now, but because my 71/2" diff was the weak link - plus it has amazing traction with the Ahmed Bayjoo 6 degree rear beam/R888 combination - I have never been able to do full blooded launches without the crown wheel spitting it's teeth every where.

Now that I will have no more problems with the diff breaking I can see me getting through the rear tyres extremely quickly, hence the reason I asked the question about cheaper alternatives.

I think a few people will be quite surprised with how well it will do in the 0-60 0-100 etc as it really does have awesome grip once there is temperature in the rears, JamesH can vouch for this
I'd think that some of the Silverstone tyres listed above would be better than the 888's. Problem is, I just cant find any information on them !
But if they are available in soft or super soft compounds, it would be hard to imagine them not being better. How long they might last is another matter. 888's just do everything very well and get sensible mileage.

It's just a pity most tyres are so bloody expensive, makes trying anything different a gamble.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
I'd think that some of the Silverstone tyres listed above would be better than the 888's. Problem is, I just cant find any information on them !
But if they are available in soft or super soft compounds, it would be hard to imagine them not being better. How long they might last is another matter. 888's just do everything very well and get sensible mileage.

It's just a pity most tyres are so bloody expensive, makes trying anything different a gamble.
Thanks for looking
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Thanks for looking
Ive been looking for 2 years !!

Still cant bring myself to buy any of them lol.

Bought the FZ201's 2 years ago, and was a bit disappointed. Obviously I'm more interested in simple straight line cold traction.
I had some Michelin Pilot sport cups before that, they were atrocious. Took them off within a few hundred miles. Slippier than normal road tyres !

But with that disappointment, it's made me overly cautious about any cheaper tyres. I'd like to try some of those rally tyres, but just cant find any feedback.

I have some old 888's that I bought years ago, but they're pretty much wiped out now
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the yoko ao48 are a very good tyre but they cost quite a bit more than r888
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Originally Posted by mark r
the yoko ao48 are a very good tyre but they cost quite a bit more than r888

But the plus side they stay on better and longer
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
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Awesome mate!! That completes the puzzle really doesn't it

And yes the grip is immense, especially for the power!!
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
The only tyre ive found anywhere near the grip of the 888 was the Dunlop DO1J & they are no longer available. I would be facing the wrong way very quickly at my Power level without wide 888 on the rear. Dont change Ade it will be a step backwards unless you are going to enter drift events .

typical, the MAD crew has no idea ..... did the grand master Mark not give you sheep advice ??

I'd ask someone who has attended trackdays, not just top speed runs in cars that aren't safe.

have a good day and keep ur heart rate controlled when you read this
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Originally Posted by carcollector
typical, the MAD crew has no idea ..... did the grand master Mark not give you sheep advice ??

I'd ask someone who has attended trackdays, not just top speed runs in cars that aren't safe.

have a good day and keep ur heart rate controlled when you read this
The funny bit is Mark doesn't like R888's
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Is it just me or do most think carcollector is a dick head?
It's not just you
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i am a great asset

im the only one who dares say MAD followers are sheeps and that you need an IQ below 5 to be a member in their eloquent group. whats wrong with those facts ?

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Originally Posted by carcollector
i am a great asset

im the only one who dares say MAD followers are sheeps and that you need an IQ below 5 to be a member in their eloquent group. whats wrong with those facts ?


*sheep.

Your commenting on intelligence.
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Originally Posted by carcollector
i am a great asset

im the only one who dares say MAD followers are sheeps and that you need an IQ below 5 to be a member in their eloquent group. whats wrong with those facts ?

Other than the fact he uses the most up to date and modern parts on a yb pushing there limits further than anyone else with a road going yb engine. Plus makes the engines with the most power and torque and is an extremely knowledgeable man in his profession not a lot really if that's your opinion
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Other than the fact he uses the most up to date and modern parts on a yb pushing there limits further than anyone else with a road going yb engine. Plus makes the engines with the most power and torque and is an extremely knowledgeable man in his profession not a lot really if that's your opinion


Who's cars the most powerful then and most torque ?
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Is it just me or do most think carcollector is a dick head?
fpmsl
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Originally Posted by carcollector
i am a great asset

im the only one who dares say MAD followers are sheeps and that you need an IQ below 5 to be a member in their eloquent group. whats wrong with those facts ?

Collector........wtf you going on about?
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Originally Posted by BigChuck
*sheep.

Your commenting on intelligence.

You're*

Good effort though
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