Escort Cosworths.......why are they so expensive?
12-02-2013, 09:54 PM
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Escort Cosworths.......why are they so expensive?
As title really.
Don't get me wrong I love cossies, I always have,
But why are they so expensive? For example i've got a Celica ST205 GT-Four, a good one can be had for around £3K, 4 wheel drive, turbocharged, 250 bhp and does everything a esCos will do?
as will a subaru/evo and a lot of other cars that can be had for a lot less money.
I am not saying that they are not worth the extra money or whatever, I am simply asking why have they held there money so well? Why would someone pay the extra cash just because it says Cosworth on the boot? As I said earlier I have always loved fast fords, but would I pay Severn thousand pound plus ON TOP of the price of a Celica, for a car that on the face of it, is no more capable in the real world?
opinions please?
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Don't get me wrong I love cossies, I always have,
But why are they so expensive? For example i've got a Celica ST205 GT-Four, a good one can be had for around £3K, 4 wheel drive, turbocharged, 250 bhp and does everything a esCos will do?
as will a subaru/evo and a lot of other cars that can be had for a lot less money.
I am not saying that they are not worth the extra money or whatever, I am simply asking why have they held there money so well? Why would someone pay the extra cash just because it says Cosworth on the boot? As I said earlier I have always loved fast fords, but would I pay Severn thousand pound plus ON TOP of the price of a Celica, for a car that on the face of it, is no more capable in the real world?
opinions please?
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Dean
12-02-2013, 09:59 PM
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Ford's, especially Escorts have a huge following in this country. Therefore people are prepared to pay a premium for the cars they used to watch rallying & on tv.
Toyota's don't, so naturally they can be bought for less money.
Although I know nothing of the GT-4's I would imagine a low mile, low owner concours car wouldn't be much behind an Escort Cosworth of a similar spec
Toyota's don't, so naturally they can be bought for less money.
Although I know nothing of the GT-4's I would imagine a low mile, low owner concours car wouldn't be much behind an Escort Cosworth of a similar spec
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12-02-2013, 10:11 PM
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imo i prefer the sierra shape , escort looks too modern for me but they are rare and like all older fords getting rarer every day , and the escort seems as standard to be a higher spec than the sierra as it should be being newer
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12-02-2013, 10:20 PM
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Interesting question...
But when I think of Rallying I think Scoobys, ESCOS and Evo's.....
Celica What?
Then when you think about Scoobys, ESCOS and Evo's.
All Scoobys look the same
All Evo's look the same
BUT
Escos looks like a fucking animal compared to your moms 1.3 finesse.
Celica what?
Is how I see it.
But when I think of Rallying I think Scoobys, ESCOS and Evo's.....
Celica What?
Then when you think about Scoobys, ESCOS and Evo's.
All Scoobys look the same
All Evo's look the same
BUT
Escos looks like a fucking animal compared to your moms 1.3 finesse.
Celica what?
Is how I see it.
12-02-2013, 10:35 PM
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Out of the cosworth, The Escort is the better looking. To be honest I think it's just the heritage that they keep there value.
Still rather have my Evo.
Celica GT4 ST205 Do look good in the castrol livery
Still rather have my Evo.
Celica GT4 ST205 Do look good in the castrol livery
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13-02-2013, 07:24 AM
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Why is it you seem to be comparing an escos to a celica ?
In the real world escos would blind a celica ... Just park both outside a super market and ask 100 shoppers which one they would have ......
In the real world escos would blind a celica ... Just park both outside a super market and ask 100 shoppers which one they would have ......
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13-02-2013, 07:51 AM
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13-02-2013, 07:54 AM
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Always going to be the escort on a ford site. Might be different on a Toyota website
I love the look of the escort but hate the dash.
I can't afford one anyway. But like to look at them. One of the best looking cars around
I love the look of the escort but hate the dash.
I can't afford one anyway. But like to look at them. One of the best looking cars around
13-02-2013, 08:02 AM
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I always thought the same. Why is an overpriced 20yr old shopping car so expensive!!!???
Reading into it, i realised that Escort Cosworths where hand built by Karmann! So that is probably the main reason they command such a high 2nd hand price!!
Sierra Cosworths where mainstream and built inhouse at Gent (apart from the RS500 which was a 3dr with retrofitted bits n bobs at Tickford)
Reading into it, i realised that Escort Cosworths where hand built by Karmann! So that is probably the main reason they command such a high 2nd hand price!!
Sierra Cosworths where mainstream and built inhouse at Gent (apart from the RS500 which was a 3dr with retrofitted bits n bobs at Tickford)
13-02-2013, 08:39 AM
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celica looks pish!
the reason for the high price tag i think is due to its history in motorsport how much development went in to it from previous cosworths for example the 3dr and the sapphire... i watched a video lastnight on youtube about the making of the escort cosworth, what ford said was that the engine and drivetrain were reliable in the sapphire and that it was good at cornering so taking the shell off and shorteniing the floorpan and adding the engine and 4x4 it would be very hard for others to beat as it prooved it was a head of the pack...
so i think thats how the prices are so high to be honest as its always been a winner!
the reason for the high price tag i think is due to its history in motorsport how much development went in to it from previous cosworths for example the 3dr and the sapphire... i watched a video lastnight on youtube about the making of the escort cosworth, what ford said was that the engine and drivetrain were reliable in the sapphire and that it was good at cornering so taking the shell off and shorteniing the floorpan and adding the engine and 4x4 it would be very hard for others to beat as it prooved it was a head of the pack...
so i think thats how the prices are so high to be honest as its always been a winner!
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13-02-2013, 08:52 AM
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Think you will find thats got nothing to do with it mate.
As Dan white says, Ford has alot of loyal fans. Cosworth has alot of motorsport history and the Sierra and the RS500 were very successful and well known to even people with a vague interest in cars. The Escort was the last proper Cosworth, looked very cool and was a poster car when growing up for alot of people....
If you don't know anything about a subject. There is a useful website called google. Stops you looking a wally on the internet
I've always liked the Celica... I watched this one go. AWESOME
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/05/t...dwood-w-video/
13-02-2013, 09:29 AM
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I think it all comes down to childhood, the guys who mainly own them now dreamed of these cars when they were younger, now many have grown up(sort of lol) and finally have enough money to buy and insure one but there are less on the road! So if you want to live that dream enough then you will pay whatever the asking price is.
Its just a case of supply and demand.
Having owned a Celica, however the 202 gt 2.0, it was like driving a games console, however even my XR3i keeps you more on the edge of the seat than my celica did and thats what I love about it.
But at the end of it all, its all down to personal preferance and cash.
Its just a case of supply and demand.
Having owned a Celica, however the 202 gt 2.0, it was like driving a games console, however even my XR3i keeps you more on the edge of the seat than my celica did and thats what I love about it.
But at the end of it all, its all down to personal preferance and cash.
13-02-2013, 09:36 AM
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A thousand reasons, mainly becuase of reliability, excellent 4wd system with strong gearbox, immecable build quality, and they're resistance to corrosion 
I'd say styling and reputation has a lot to do with it, with respect to the integrale comparison mentioned above, if they didn't have wide arches and look aggressive it'd just be a HF turbo which look shite.
Maybe also why 3drs and escos are popular and saphs arent.
I'd say styling and reputation has a lot to do with it, with respect to the integrale comparison mentioned above, if they didn't have wide arches and look aggressive it'd just be a HF turbo which look shite.
Maybe also why 3drs and escos are popular and saphs arent.
13-02-2013, 09:38 AM
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I think it comes down to them just being cool.
History and motorsport played a big part in selling them new, but they're just cool cars. In the same way the old mini's hold their value so well, they're not necessarily the best car in the world, but people appreciate them for what they are and like them.
They're just that little bit different, plus the massive tuning potential and you're onto a winner. I remember having a Mondeo touring car R/C car as a kid but i dont want a Mondeo now, cause they're just not cool cars. By the same token i dont remember much about RS Turbo's from when i was younger but i love them now cause they're cool.
If it makes you happy when you look at it and drive it/work on it, then you're not going to question its value too much.
History and motorsport played a big part in selling them new, but they're just cool cars. In the same way the old mini's hold their value so well, they're not necessarily the best car in the world, but people appreciate them for what they are and like them.
They're just that little bit different, plus the massive tuning potential and you're onto a winner. I remember having a Mondeo touring car R/C car as a kid but i dont want a Mondeo now, cause they're just not cool cars. By the same token i dont remember much about RS Turbo's from when i was younger but i love them now cause they're cool.
If it makes you happy when you look at it and drive it/work on it, then you're not going to question its value too much.
13-02-2013, 10:07 AM
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A thousand reasons, mainly becuase of reliability, excellent 4wd system with strong gearbox, immecable build quality, and they're resistance to corrosion
I'd say styling and reputation has a lot to do with it, with respect to the integrale comparison mentioned above, if they didn't have wide arches and look aggressive it'd just be a HF turbo which look shite.
Maybe also why 3drs and escos are popular and saphs arent.
I'd say styling and reputation has a lot to do with it, with respect to the integrale comparison mentioned above, if they didn't have wide arches and look aggressive it'd just be a HF turbo which look shite.
Maybe also why 3drs and escos are popular and saphs arent.
Obviously if i hit the jackpot i'd have a collection similar to the bonkers one, but id still love a grey saph.
13-02-2013, 10:31 AM
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A thousand reasons, mainly becuase of reliability, excellent 4wd system with strong gearbox, immecable build quality, and they're resistance to corrosion
I'd say styling and reputation has a lot to do with it, with respect to the integrale comparison mentioned above, if they didn't have wide arches and look aggressive it'd just be a HF turbo which look shite.
Maybe also why 3drs and escos are popular and saphs arent.
I'd say styling and reputation has a lot to do with it, with respect to the integrale comparison mentioned above, if they didn't have wide arches and look aggressive it'd just be a HF turbo which look shite.
Maybe also why 3drs and escos are popular and saphs arent.
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13-02-2013, 11:30 AM
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There are more people that want them than there are cars, so the price goes up.
Only 7500 Escorts ever made IIRC, how many celica's? And how many of each left now?
Only 7500 Escorts ever made IIRC, how many celica's? And how many of each left now?
13-02-2013, 12:22 PM
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If you don't know anything about a subject. There is a useful website called google. Stops you looking a wally on the internet
I've always liked the Celica... I watched this one go. AWESOME
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/05/t...dwood-w-video/
I've always liked the Celica... I watched this one go. AWESOME
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/05/t...dwood-w-video/
Im still lost? Thought the intergrale's were the most successful cars in rallying , in the 80s/ 90s era, hence mentioned looking at there prices, make an escort look cheep now! Although being rarer bumps prices.
And im sure yous two have had the pleasure of going out in / driving a few, they are not the best in build quality etc, but demand is high, well the prices are.
Im sure its all about rallying with them, which has kept there prices high, as not the huge following for lancia in the UK compared to Ford, or general status, like an escort cos.
13-02-2013, 12:25 PM
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You may as well ask why is any Cosworth expensive? To the uninitiated it's a lot of money for an old Sierra or Escort.
It comes down to the Heritage, rarity and the legendary name.
In the case of the Escos, rarity is a key factor and whats more how many of the original 2,500 are actually left, in addition as mentioned by 'Maxwell', the fact it's hand built by "Karmann Ghia".
No offence but a Celica does not have the same following as an Escos, despite being equal on on paper!
Martin
It comes down to the Heritage, rarity and the legendary name.
In the case of the Escos, rarity is a key factor and whats more how many of the original 2,500 are actually left, in addition as mentioned by 'Maxwell', the fact it's hand built by "Karmann Ghia".
No offence but a Celica does not have the same following as an Escos, despite being equal on on paper!
Martin
13-02-2013, 12:40 PM
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Maybe its because Ford havent really made a car like the cosworths for 20 years or so .
Nostalgia is massive and for good reasons despite the ESCOS negatives like above lol rog.
Statement - Having an Escort appear on you out there (not at shows) compared to the Celica is chalk and cheese the wow factor of escorts will always be there .Timeless even.
I bet the Celica's are very good cars indeed but the desire to own one surely are miles apart hence the value difference.
Anyway 3 door over Escort anyday , Saph over 3 door for me.
Nostalgia is massive and for good reasons despite the ESCOS negatives like above lol rog.
Statement - Having an Escort appear on you out there (not at shows) compared to the Celica is chalk and cheese the wow factor of escorts will always be there .Timeless even.
I bet the Celica's are very good cars indeed but the desire to own one surely are miles apart hence the value difference.
Anyway 3 door over Escort anyday , Saph over 3 door for me.
13-02-2013, 12:47 PM
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I think its more to do with them being super car slayers back in the day once it was breathed on by a tuner.
You could pull up along side a 220bhp standard car or one kicking out 1000bhp, you just do not know.
The reputaion they have is nearly unrivalled
You could pull up along side a 220bhp standard car or one kicking out 1000bhp, you just do not know.
The reputaion they have is nearly unrivalled