Car tax - i feel robbed.
03-02-2013, 08:23 PM
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Not entirely sane
If they ever do put VED onto the fuel price, they should add basic 3rd party insurance as well. That way, there'd be no uninsured drivers on the road either. If you want fire, theft or own damage cover then buy an additional policy to cover that.
03-02-2013, 08:49 PM
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slightly off topic but how about this for a kick in the baws
had one of those fancy dan metal tax disc holders which was stuck to the windscreen with those little sticky tabs.
Car was parked outside the house for a few days in the middle of summer. The heat on the windscreen melted the adhesive and the tax disc and holder had fallen face down into the passengers side footwell. You could clearly see it if you peered through the window though.
Came out one day to find a ticket slapped under my wiper with a £30 fine for not having a valid tax disc displayed. Some cant must have noticed, assumed I had no tax and grassed me up.
had one of those fancy dan metal tax disc holders which was stuck to the windscreen with those little sticky tabs.
Car was parked outside the house for a few days in the middle of summer. The heat on the windscreen melted the adhesive and the tax disc and holder had fallen face down into the passengers side footwell. You could clearly see it if you peered through the window though.
Came out one day to find a ticket slapped under my wiper with a £30 fine for not having a valid tax disc displayed. Some cant must have noticed, assumed I had no tax and grassed me up.
03-02-2013, 08:58 PM
#44
The problem I see is that linking "car tax" to emissions is unfair, as Magnum says. But linking it to fuel, and thus usage, is also unfair on a couple levels.
For example, my mate has a derv Beemer, which gets on average 40mpg. My Lexus gets about 20. So if we both do say 10,000 miles a year, he's paying less fuel, and less "tax" than me.
What's also been mentioned before, maybe not in this thread, but in other discussion, is basing the average cost a car causes to roads, etc, per mile or whatever, and adding it to the cost of a litre. Well that's all well and good, but a heavier car will inflict more wear to the roads (in theory), and then you still get shafted on the cars that aren't used much, as they are taking them into account for calculating the wear per year, but they might only do half a years worth of mileage.
At the end of the day, we pay enough in fuel tax, so "road tax" should be scrapped full stop.
For example, my mate has a derv Beemer, which gets on average 40mpg. My Lexus gets about 20. So if we both do say 10,000 miles a year, he's paying less fuel, and less "tax" than me.
What's also been mentioned before, maybe not in this thread, but in other discussion, is basing the average cost a car causes to roads, etc, per mile or whatever, and adding it to the cost of a litre. Well that's all well and good, but a heavier car will inflict more wear to the roads (in theory), and then you still get shafted on the cars that aren't used much, as they are taking them into account for calculating the wear per year, but they might only do half a years worth of mileage.
At the end of the day, we pay enough in fuel tax, so "road tax" should be scrapped full stop.
03-02-2013, 09:26 PM
#46
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For example, my mate has a derv Beemer, which gets on average 40mpg. My Lexus gets about 20. So if we both do say 10,000 miles a year, he's paying less fuel, and less "tax" than me.
What's also been mentioned before, maybe not in this thread, but in other discussion, is basing the average cost a car causes to roads, etc, per mile or whatever, and adding it to the cost of a litre. Well that's all well and good, but a heavier car will inflict more wear to the roads (in theory), and then you still get shafted on the cars that aren't used much, as they are taking them into account for calculating the wear per year, but they might only do half a years worth of mileage.
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then it becomes your choice in running a more uneconomical car and using more fuel, so more tax.
and yep the heavier car does more damage, but will do worse mpg over a small lighter car, so less tax
03-02-2013, 09:33 PM
#47
Saying that, im not silly enough to go running lol
03-02-2013, 09:34 PM
#48
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The problem I see is that linking "car tax" to emissions is unfair, as Magnum says. But linking it to fuel, and thus usage, is also unfair on a couple levels.
For example, my mate has a derv Beemer, which gets on average 40mpg. My Lexus gets about 20. So if we both do say 10,000 miles a year, he's paying less fuel, and less "tax" than me.
What's also been mentioned before, maybe not in this thread, but in other discussion, is basing the average cost a car causes to roads, etc, per mile or whatever, and adding it to the cost of a litre. Well that's all well and good, but a heavier car will inflict more wear to the roads (in theory), and then you still get shafted on the cars that aren't used much, as they are taking them into account for calculating the wear per year, but they might only do half a years worth of mileage.
At the end of the day, we pay enough in fuel tax, so "road tax" should be scrapped full stop.
For example, my mate has a derv Beemer, which gets on average 40mpg. My Lexus gets about 20. So if we both do say 10,000 miles a year, he's paying less fuel, and less "tax" than me.
What's also been mentioned before, maybe not in this thread, but in other discussion, is basing the average cost a car causes to roads, etc, per mile or whatever, and adding it to the cost of a litre. Well that's all well and good, but a heavier car will inflict more wear to the roads (in theory), and then you still get shafted on the cars that aren't used much, as they are taking them into account for calculating the wear per year, but they might only do half a years worth of mileage.
At the end of the day, we pay enough in fuel tax, so "road tax" should be scrapped full stop.
So higher diesel economy is tempered by it being more expensive than petrol, so that would have to be reflected so petrol users were no worse off tax wise than diesel users.
I agree though that we as motorists are taxex enough, but if the country suddenly lost X billion in income from scrapping road tax, something else would have to be taxed more to make up the shortfall.
If we are to continue with the current set up, then VED should be ringfenced to spend on the roads to ensure our road network is up to scratch.
At the moment it just goes into the pot to be spent as the government sees fit.
03-02-2013, 10:32 PM
#49
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
slightly off topic but how about this for a kick in the baws
had one of those fancy dan metal tax disc holders which was stuck to the windscreen with those little sticky tabs.
Car was parked outside the house for a few days in the middle of summer. The heat on the windscreen melted the adhesive and the tax disc and holder had fallen face down into the passengers side footwell. You could clearly see it if you peered through the window though.
Came out one day to find a ticket slapped under my wiper with a £30 fine for not having a valid tax disc displayed. Some cant must have noticed, assumed I had no tax and grassed me up.
had one of those fancy dan metal tax disc holders which was stuck to the windscreen with those little sticky tabs.
Car was parked outside the house for a few days in the middle of summer. The heat on the windscreen melted the adhesive and the tax disc and holder had fallen face down into the passengers side footwell. You could clearly see it if you peered through the window though.
Came out one day to find a ticket slapped under my wiper with a £30 fine for not having a valid tax disc displayed. Some cant must have noticed, assumed I had no tax and grassed me up.
04-02-2013, 07:34 PM
#53
Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!!
270 a year road tax....what's the problem our 2006 s4 v8 b7 avant is 460 for 12 months 270 for 6 months and your focus rs is more than likely quicker lol
04-02-2013, 09:07 PM
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05-02-2013, 06:32 AM
#56
Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!!
I'm not moaning about paying it just think 270 isn't crazy compared to some motors..would love an rs but to small to get the dogs in the boot lol
05-02-2013, 12:45 PM
#58
rst junkie
my mgb is tax exempt, there is something very satisfying about going to the post office and getting a free tax disc 
the jeep is £270 a year the wifes vectra is a factory lpg car so think hers is only £170 for the year
havent taxed the rs yet, wont do anytime soon either if work doesnt pick up
the jeep is £270 a year the wifes vectra is a factory lpg car so think hers is only £170 for the year
havent taxed the rs yet, wont do anytime soon either if work doesnt pick up
05-02-2013, 02:31 PM
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Isn't there a higher rate tax for the first year if you buy a brand new car? I'm sure I saw an evo x with a £1k tax disc. No new wonder car sales have dropped.
Also hasn't the tax exempt threshold stopped at 1973? For example if I bought an old mk3 escort, as years go by it isn't going to become tax exempt like older cars used to.
Its just a money maker for the government I doubt very much the system will change within the next ten years.
Also hasn't the tax exempt threshold stopped at 1973? For example if I bought an old mk3 escort, as years go by it isn't going to become tax exempt like older cars used to.
Its just a money maker for the government I doubt very much the system will change within the next ten years.
05-02-2013, 03:35 PM
#60
rst junkie
yea 73 onward cars have to pay tax, there is a petition going around somewhere that i signed a while ago to stop car tax for any car over 25 years old but you know it will never happen
yea new big engine/high performance cars get a crazy tax disc for their first year
yea new big engine/high performance cars get a crazy tax disc for their first year
05-02-2013, 09:04 PM
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he fully aware i reported him i told him other day i would if he carried on driving it, maybe i should off left it and if he ever hits my car and is uninsured i sure you would pay my repair bill for me?
i dnt go round snitching on people for silly things but when it could potentially cost me, fuck em he had enough warnings to stop using the car!
i dnt go round snitching on people for silly things but when it could potentially cost me, fuck em he had enough warnings to stop using the car!
Wonder how people free about the guys that report people speeding in their fast fords, same thing really...
Btw road tax for a 4.0 would be over 1800e here in Ireland
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07-02-2013, 12:39 PM
#64
Isn't there a higher rate tax for the first year if you buy a brand new car? I'm sure I saw an evo x with a £1k tax disc. No new wonder car sales have dropped.
Also hasn't the tax exempt threshold stopped at 1973? For example if I bought an old mk3 escort, as years go by it isn't going to become tax exempt like older cars used to.
Its just a money maker for the government I doubt very much the system will change within the next ten years.
Also hasn't the tax exempt threshold stopped at 1973? For example if I bought an old mk3 escort, as years go by it isn't going to become tax exempt like older cars used to.
Its just a money maker for the government I doubt very much the system will change within the next ten years.
Martin
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