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Old 06-01-2013, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullflush
I think Julian or NMS might be the only ones able to pull a rabbit like this out of the hat.

Rod has tried for years and got nowhere near
What a stupid statement, where have you been for the last decade?
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Originally Posted by Jasu
And I'm pretty sure that the head gasket is not the problem.
The biggest problem seems to be money and durability. Surprise, surprise.
Another talking shite....
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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
hi mark
i dont understand how a fuel can make a crank rods pistons etc stronger ,if a 800 hp engine brakes on pump fuel why is it stronger on methonal ,not being funny i just dont understand ,on the block geoff has done, he says he has done it like bdt ie fire rings and o rings round the rest ,would a recess in the head and a copper ring and the the liner protruding so it bites in the copper ring then o ring the rest so studs are just pulling down on a smaller area than trying to clamp the full surface of the head block the pressure on the rings will be a lot higher for the same torque then if on the full surface of the deck

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That block will be at the Autosports Show next week.
Also has(will have) four bolt main caps, thicker deck face, option of a taller deck height and nikasil liners and will not use a headgasket.

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Old 06-01-2013, 04:45 PM
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That is one way of curing the head gasket issue Steve lol
Old 06-01-2013, 05:01 PM
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I think some people are just blind by a single number! Rods engine is very flexible and would knock spots off all these euro build one horse ponies,

F1 engines made the massive numbers as they reved very well!
There's a formula for power and it's, P X L X A X N
Cylinder pressure, length of stroke, area of piston and number of firing strokes.
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Originally Posted by steveboyslim
That block will be at the Autosports Show next week.
Also has(will have) four bolt main caps, thicker deck face, option of a taller deck height and nikasil liners and will not use a headgasket.

Steve
yes i spoke to geoff the other day ,i dont know if it had 4 bolt mains also i think they all come plus 16mm in height ,think he said it will use same arrangement as bdt

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Old 06-01-2013, 05:10 PM
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The test engine will use a Smith & Jones cylinder head, 37mm inlet valves, 31mm exhaust valves, so expect to see well over 1000 bhp.

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Originally Posted by steveboyslim
The test engine will use a Smith & Jones cylinder head, 37mm inlet valves, 31mm exhaust valves, so expect to see well over 1000 bhp.

Steve
he said it will make a 1000 easy and be reliable then will push it too 1300 what do you think of that steve
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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
he said it will make a 1000 easy and be reliable then will push it too 1300 what do you think of that steve
mark
I believe that horsepower figure wll be achievable, but as ever seeing is believing.

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Old 06-01-2013, 05:25 PM
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extreme racers in Greece pushed 1200 hp years ago
Old 06-01-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lacey
extreme racers in Greece pushed 1200 hp years ago
Like I said, seing is believing, along with their 400bhp N/A YB engine.

Steve

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Old 06-01-2013, 05:43 PM
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Who were the guys doing sub 9 second runs in yb mk1 escorts ? Recall seeing them in a small article years now.
Old 06-01-2013, 05:45 PM
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Look forward to the development and the results! What car will the finished engine be going in?
Old 06-01-2013, 05:45 PM
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The problem with most greek tuners, is that just about every car that goes on a dyno, experiences the world famous hear-say power upgrade every time someone quotes it.....
The even worse part is when a car is tuned and mapped to make a power figure at very specific revs just so the numer can be quoted.

As others have already said I would prefer a car that makes "some" power, but allover the rev range, hence is drivable
Old 06-01-2013, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by opposite lock
Who were the guys doing sub 9 second runs in yb mk1 escorts ? Recall seeing them in a small article years now.
Kalanc in Malta have run as low as 7.6 in their yb mk1 drag car claiming 850hp. It was then wrecked in a crash they fitted the engine in a 3 door Sierra road car and that's down to 8.8 secs so far.
Old 06-01-2013, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by William MK2 Cosworth
The problem with most greek tuners, is that just about every car that goes on a dyno, experiences the world famous hear-say power upgrade every time someone quotes it.....
The even worse part is when a car is tuned and mapped to make a power figure at very specific revs just so the numer can be quoted.

As others have already said I would prefer a car that makes "some" power, but allover the rev range, hence is drivable
The Greek power figures are hard to believe but 8.3 seconds with 178mph terminal is no 5-600 hp engine!
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Originally Posted by lee2cossies
The Greek power figures are hard to believe but 8.3 seconds with 178mph terminal is no 5-600 hp engine!

My point exactly! it just is a very powerfull engine, not for reliable everyday using, and might not be the claimed 1200 hp
Old 06-01-2013, 06:08 PM
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does it say in the article how much the escort weighs ?
178 mph suggests alot of power, means far more than any dyno sheet.

178 mph terminal at 1100 kgs suggests approx 1050 wheel horsepower !

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Old 06-01-2013, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Put Rods on methonal and its 1000hp if the HG lasts its that easy, Getting 800hp on pump is much harder.

Mark
Mark,I thought the idea of running Methanol was that you could run a lot more ignition in it to make the extra horses,but you have told me on several occasions that you would only be able to put in a couple more degrees in rods engine and it would not make that much difference.
I assume you would concrete fill the block for a flat out hp methanol engine with a solid copper head gasket?
The other reason people don't use pure methanol is you have to clean out the fuel system every time because its so corrosive.

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Originally Posted by puddy
Mark,I thought the idea of running Methanol was that you could run a lot more ignition in it to make the extra horses,but you have told me on several occasions that you would only be able to put in a couple more degrees in rods engine and it would not make that much difference.
I assume you would concrete fill the block for a flat out hp methanol engine with a solid copper head gasket?
The other reason people don't use pure methanol is you have to clean out the fuel system every time because its so corrosive.

puddy

To run Rods on it I would make a few changes and to take full benafit of it there would be lots of changes, But this is not going to happen as Rods is a road engine.

Mark
Old 06-01-2013, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
does it say in the article how much the escort weighs ?
178 mph suggests alot of power, means far more than any dyno sheet.

178 mph terminal at 1100 kgs suggests approx 1050 wheel horsepower !
It says 1100kg without the driver.
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
To run Rods on it I would make a few changes and to take full benafit of it there would be lots of changes, But this is not going to happen as Rods is a road engine.

Mark
To be a road engine don't it need to be on the road

It's a workshop / ramp engine



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Originally Posted by v man
To be a road engine don't it need to be on the road

It's a workshop / ramp engine



Only muckin
Was waiting for parts now waiting for me.

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Originally Posted by Glenn_
It says 1100kg without the driver.
in which case if the driver is a lump like me almost 100 kgs its 1200 kgs car.
1200 kgs to terminal 178 mph will need 1150 wheel hp the power is proven right there.
heres where i get my info from, a graph robbie ward at rips linked up which has worked out pretty accurate for him and he has run a 6 second drag car, it also correlates well to my first r32 gtr and my supra terminals my times were slower due to launch but terminals bang on for the power.


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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
he said it will make a 1000 easy and be reliable then will push it too 1300 what do you think of that steve
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Mark,

I cant see how anyone could possibly quote that without the facts/proof set in stone.
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As Lee says there a lot of cars in Malta running ybs but unknown power but several standard body ones run 8s ,kalanc I think best was 7.4 but use to allways run high 7 s on a good day,also the ford probe with ybt years ago ran 7s obviously don't know what power and vehicle weight but they are obviously high hp,but some in Malta have been known to run 50 to 60 psi ,especially when racing the v8 dragsters lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KDHmfOOw42c
here is the video with proof
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Originally Posted by c20tbo
Mark,

I cant see how anyone could possibly quote that without the facts/proof set in stone.
hi robert
i think it must be from experience of building big bhp rs200 engines ,he probably know what will and wont work ,

mark
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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
hi robert
i think it must be from experience of building big bhp rs200 engines ,he probably know what will and wont work ,

mark
Mark,

possibly, i hope it does what he says then.
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Originally Posted by c20tbo
Mark,

possibly, i hope it does what he says then.
hi robert
i think it will ,he wouldnt have had castings done etc if he hadnt done his home work ,and when you think f1 cars were making 1400/1600 bhp out of 1600 /1800 cc cars over 10 years ago 1000 out 2000 cc seems easy lol ,if someone had really spent time developing the yb it would be common now ,people thought 500 was maximum a few years ago now 700 /800 is common

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Mark, you should put a car together with all your products and one of these engines as a demo car! Would be some car!
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Originally Posted by lee2cossies
Mark, you should put a car together with all your products and one of these engines as a demo car! Would be some car!

hi lee
i have been building a show car with all my cradles ,uprights etc ,full t45 wrc cage ,proper knock offs ,new quaife 6 speed sequential ,new 9 inch diff etc etc everything carbon and titainium lol

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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
hi lee
i have been building a show car with all my cradles ,uprights etc ,full t45 wrc cage ,proper knock offs ,new quaife 6 speed sequential ,new 9 inch diff etc etc everything carbon and titainium lol

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We need pics Mark
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Originally Posted by JamesH
We need pics Mark

hi james
i will start a thread in the nxt few weeks ,i wanted to have car (pickup)lol nearly done first so there wasent big gaps between updates ,but it will be good i think there are lots of new ideas and parts on it ,plus with me been fortunate to have the machines most parts are billet or titainium lol ,so with my very trick scs motor and my running gear and paddle flat shift etc it should go quite well

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Ah it's the pickup! Definitely start a thread mate
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Look forward to seeing the thread on this mark sounds very interesting.
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Originally Posted by lee2cossies
Look forward to seeing the thread on this mark sounds very interesting.
a pic when i first chopped it



then when i first had it on road as pickup 520 bhp rear wheel drive
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That looks wicked ! Incredible fab work as always u kept this one quiet. That's something I havnt seen done before well done.
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Originally Posted by lee2cossies
That looks wicked ! Incredible fab work as always u kept this one quiet. That's something I havnt seen done before well done.

it wont be everyones cup of tea but its different lol,and i hpoe people will judge it on the fab and machine work and not what it is

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