350bhp RWD Saff. Compares to what?
03-09-2012, 06:31 PM
#41
Advanced PassionFord User
Yeah, had mates in my old one giving it the beans and they all said it didnt feel that quick until they looked at the speedo going up. They are big cars, well insulated and loads of soundproof so you dont hear the engine so much. Biggest downside is the lack of tuning potential on them, but as a track car goes, strip them out, bung some ARP bolts in it, raise the rev limiter to 8250 and go track days. I want another just to play around with
03-09-2012, 06:35 PM
#43
Zee Germans are coming
Yeah, had mates in my old one giving it the beans and they all said it didnt feel that quick until they looked at the speedo going up. They are big cars, well insulated and loads of soundproof so you dont hear the engine so much. Biggest downside is the lack of tuning potential on them, but as a track car goes, strip them out, bung some ARP bolts in it, raise the rev limiter to 8250 and go track days. I want another just to play around with
The problem is they are so expensive
A standard engine even with 100k on the clock stage 1 turbo charged will see mega power and be reliable
03-09-2012, 06:36 PM
#44
Advanced PassionFord User
Yeah I agree with that, the torque from the cossie lump will beat it, maybe when it gets going teh M3 could pull it back a bit but cant see it beating it from 30 to 100. But as you say, show it some twistys and the M3 will leave it behind with ease. Even with suspension work, lowered, new shocks, polly bushed etc, still wont keep with a M3 with a good driver. My Cossie has all of the above and feels great, but the M3 just felt so much more planted
03-09-2012, 06:40 PM
#45
10K+ Poster!!
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: May 2004
Location: birmingham west mids
Posts: 11,919
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes
on
9 Posts
Yeah I agree with that, the torque from the cossie lump will beat it, maybe when it gets going teh M3 could pull it back a bit but cant see it beating it from 30 to 100. But as you say, show it some twistys and the M3 will leave it behind with ease. Even with suspension work, lowered, new shocks, polly bushed etc, still wont keep with a M3 with a good driver. My Cossie has all of the above and feels great, but the M3 just felt so much more planted
03-09-2012, 06:48 PM
#46
Advanced PassionFord User
I like this video and it shows how well engineered they are.
This is a standard M3. Well known car and a healthy one. Imagine doing this in a Cosworth
This is a standard M3. Well known car and a healthy one. Imagine doing this in a Cosworth
03-09-2012, 06:58 PM
#48
cossie fan (unluckerly)
e36 30L m3,s are no faster than my c36 amg merc and thats shit slow to a 350bhp cosworth lol the only people who would say a m3 is faster than a stage 3 are people who have never been in a real stage 3! plus my cosworth has polly bushes all round front and rear braces coil overs r888 tyres and a gripper diff so handles very well! so again the only people who say cosworths dont handle are people who have not been in a well spec,ed one! and id never had an engine fault with my saff in the 11 years in owned it and its been standard 350bhp and now 500bhp!
Last edited by ajamesc; 03-09-2012 at 07:00 PM.
03-09-2012, 07:04 PM
#50
Advanced PassionFord User
e36 30L m3,s are no faster than my c36 amg merc and thats shit slow to a 350bhp cosworth lol the only people who would say a m3 is faster than a stage 3 are people who have never been in a real stage 3! plus my cosworth has polly bushes all round front and rear braces coil overs r888 tyres and a gripper diff so handles very well! so again the only people who say cosworths dont handle are people who have not been in a well spec,ed one! and id never had an engine fault with my saff in the 11 years in owned it and its been standard 350bhp and now 500bhp!
But as has been said before, you are comparing a very modified car to a standard car of a different era.
03-09-2012, 07:07 PM
#51
Advanced PassionFord User
http://youtu.be/DbYMZOu0AQA,
yeah that m3 is .............driving down the middle of a empy motorway
i will stick to my cossies lol
yeah that m3 is .............driving down the middle of a empy motorway
i will stick to my cossies lol
But hey, sounds like I am barking up the wrong tree trying to get others to see the light. I am going to shutup now because I am boring myself.
03-09-2012, 07:16 PM
#52
i never wanted to own a m3 mate ,so i cant comment on how good they are all i know is i have a mate who has one and they give loads of trouble just like cossies do when they get used hard .including vanos and bigends ,couldnt keep petrol in it either 
03-09-2012, 07:17 PM
#53
My last car was a stage 1 rwd Cosworth, I now own a e46 m3
The stage 1 cossie would keep up with the m3 to 100mph no problem but after that the m3 would leave it. Am sure a good stage 3 cossie 350bhp would leave the m3 from the start. (in a straight line of course)
The stage 1 cossie would keep up with the m3 to 100mph no problem but after that the m3 would leave it. Am sure a good stage 3 cossie 350bhp would leave the m3 from the start. (in a straight line of course)
03-09-2012, 07:19 PM
#54
Advanced PassionFord User
I do miss not having a NA engine and soon they will be rare as hens teeth
03-09-2012, 07:19 PM
#55
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I have owned both, and the only difference between mine and yours suspension is tyres by the sounds of it. Have you driven a M3? I have owned both, not saying the M3 is quicker, but your not going to walk away from one as much as you think you will. The 3.0 (which I might add, I also owned) in the real world and around town was not much in it between the evo and the 3.0, however get it in a straight line and give them everything they got and the evo will leave it behind.
But as has been said before, you are comparing a very modified car to a standard car of a different era.
But as has been said before, you are comparing a very modified car to a standard car of a different era.
03-09-2012, 07:28 PM
#58
PassionFord Post Troll
Thread Starter
My old Mk1 Focus RS kept up with E46 M3's, so I'd expect the Saff to be a fair bit in front now.
Corners? It corners pretty bloody well thanks, got it set up very nice for track days etc, although may need bigger brakes now.
Corners? It corners pretty bloody well thanks, got it set up very nice for track days etc, although may need bigger brakes now.
03-09-2012, 07:28 PM
#59
used to see off E46 M3's in my cortina with 330bhp very funnyand to see there faces was priceless.
Must agree tho show me a bend and its game over
My Saff is running 360+ and its a great fun drive with loads of low down grunt from the T34/48 and will get u into trouble very quickly.
I'm a great fan of the cossie but still like the M powered bmws
and to see there faces was priceless.Must agree tho show me a bend and its game over
My Saff is running 360+ and its a great fun drive with loads of low down grunt from the T34/48 and will get u into trouble very quickly.
I'm a great fan of the cossie but still like the M powered bmws
03-09-2012, 07:57 PM
#60
04-09-2012, 09:17 AM
#61
PassionFord Post Troll
There's been a few proper timed tests of tuned Cossies in car mags in the past.
Performance CAR mag had a 315bhp BBR 4x4 Sapphire up against a Testarossa way back in 1991 with proper timing gear
Sapphire was 4.8 to 60, 11.9 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.4 @109
Testarossa was 5.2 to 60 11.4 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.5 @ 107
Performance CAR mag had a 315bhp BBR 4x4 Sapphire up against a Testarossa way back in 1991 with proper timing gear
Sapphire was 4.8 to 60, 11.9 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.4 @109
Testarossa was 5.2 to 60 11.4 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.5 @ 107
04-09-2012, 03:18 PM
#62
There's been a few proper timed tests of tuned Cossies in car mags in the past.
Performance CAR mag had a 315bhp BBR 4x4 Sapphire up against a Testarossa way back in 1991 with proper timing gear
Sapphire was 4.8 to 60, 11.9 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.4 @109
Testarossa was 5.2 to 60 11.4 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.5 @ 107
Performance CAR mag had a 315bhp BBR 4x4 Sapphire up against a Testarossa way back in 1991 with proper timing gear
Sapphire was 4.8 to 60, 11.9 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.4 @109
Testarossa was 5.2 to 60 11.4 to 100 and ss 1/4 at 13.5 @ 107
05-09-2012, 07:19 AM
#63
PassionFord Post Troll
Yes, it was the one where they also tested the Minker 323 as well. Just thought it was an interesting comparison as it was probably a bit down on performance compared to a 350bhp 2wd ( being 315bhp and 4x4 Sapphire ).
Fast Lane did a similar comparison with the Mogul and bunged in some Countach figures.
Performance Car did test a BBR 345bhp 2wd Sapphire as well, but in isolation and a couple of years before the Minker/4x4/Testarossa test
Fast Lane did a similar comparison with the Mogul and bunged in some Countach figures.
Performance Car did test a BBR 345bhp 2wd Sapphire as well, but in isolation and a couple of years before the Minker/4x4/Testarossa test
05-09-2012, 07:41 AM
#65
PassionFord Post Troll
Will do chap, I had a quick look just now but i only have scans of parts of the article. ( i believe the one with the Minker in is online somewhere though )
ETA :- Here's the link to the Minker vs BBR 4x4 vs Testarossa article although it lists only the timings and is not a direct scan. I'll get up in the loft in the next few days -> http://www.fordpower.org.uk/nik/mink.html
ETA :- Here's the link to the Minker vs BBR 4x4 vs Testarossa article although it lists only the timings and is not a direct scan. I'll get up in the loft in the next few days -> http://www.fordpower.org.uk/nik/mink.html
Last edited by Mike1; 05-09-2012 at 08:00 AM.
05-09-2012, 12:28 PM
#66
Happily retired
This M3 v Cossie lark is rather silly cars are a personal choice. As Andy said my son had an M3 evo which i drove a few times it was to me nothing special & certainly not fast. My own car was 330bhp rwd many years back & that was also not fast either it went ok but nothing special. I would however choose the Cosworth because its a bit special something a bmw of any variety will never be.
05-09-2012, 12:38 PM
#67
PassionFORD Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 5,768
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This M3 v Cossie lark is rather silly cars are a personal choice. As Andy said my son had an M3 evo which i drove a few times it was to me nothing special & certainly not fast. My own car was 330bhp rwd many years back & that was also not fast either it went ok but nothing special. I would however choose the Cosworth because its a bit special something a bmw of any variety will never be.
05-09-2012, 04:41 PM
#68
Advanced PassionFord User
This M3 v Cossie lark is rather silly cars are a personal choice. As Andy said my son had an M3 evo which i drove a few times it was to me nothing special & certainly not fast. My own car was 330bhp rwd many years back & that was also not fast either it went ok but nothing special. I would however choose the Cosworth because its a bit special something a bmw of any variety will never be.
No BMW is special? get the blinkers off for a minute.
E46 M3 CSL
1M
The original CSL
The original M1
2002 Turbo
Current M3 GTS
E30 M3 Evo 11
if we are to be honest and not blinkered, we would see that BMW have more special cars than Ford, Ford stopped making them years ago in alot of peoples eyes.
This is Passionford and never going to get a BMW following but some people really need to open their eyes. Other companys make cars, not just Ford
05-09-2012, 05:45 PM
#69
PassionFord Post Troll
Thread Starter
There really is some bollocks posted on this forum at times. I asked for performance car comparisons, in real world terms a 350bhp Cossie is quick no doubt about it, and most people seem to agree with that.
Nothing special? Compared to a 200mph purpose built vehicle no it isn't, but it's nothing special compared to a Veyron either.
I'm a big fan of German performance metal, the build quality is worlds apart from jap or Fords, and generally it's extremely capable. One of the most impressive cars I've been in was a 997 GT3, staggering in many ways, and will do it all day everyday.
Nothing special? Compared to a 200mph purpose built vehicle no it isn't, but it's nothing special compared to a Veyron either.
I'm a big fan of German performance metal, the build quality is worlds apart from jap or Fords, and generally it's extremely capable. One of the most impressive cars I've been in was a 997 GT3, staggering in many ways, and will do it all day everyday.
05-09-2012, 08:11 PM
#73
PassionFord Post Troll
Thread Starter
I will Jay, it's like having a different car after 17 years for the sake of a few quid and a bit of spannering. Wish I could do the same with the Mrs....
05-09-2012, 09:18 PM
#76
PassionFord Post Troll
Thread Starter
05-09-2012, 10:04 PM
#77
PassionFord Post Troll
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
turbotrev
Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth
39
17-04-2016 09:03 PM
