air injectors or boost controller
16-08-2012, 11:46 AM
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air injectors or boost controller
Hi what are peoples opinions on using air injectors or boost controllers on a yb, as more often people use air injectors on yb's.
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16-08-2012, 12:07 PM
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16-08-2012, 01:03 PM
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16-08-2012, 04:47 PM
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Air injectors ARE bost control.
And to say they are out dated it's just bonkers, probably means your tuner didn't know or the ecu couldn't do it, how to program a three term controller (PID)
Having the ecu control the boost levels are the ONLY way I would have it, it's just as important as ignition timing and fuel, so why use a separate controller that does have all the input facts (corrections)
Air injectors are just the actuators for your control system.
And to say they are out dated it's just bonkers, probably means your tuner didn't know or the ecu couldn't do it, how to program a three term controller (PID)
Having the ecu control the boost levels are the ONLY way I would have it, it's just as important as ignition timing and fuel, so why use a separate controller that does have all the input facts (corrections)
Air injectors are just the actuators for your control system.
16-08-2012, 05:18 PM
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16-08-2012, 05:20 PM
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Air injectors ARE bost control.
And to say they are out dated it's just bonkers, probably means your tuner didn't know or the ecu couldn't do it, how to program a three term controller (PID)
Having the ecu control the boost levels are the ONLY way I would have it, it's just as important as ignition timing and fuel, so why use a separate controller that does have all the input facts (corrections)
Air injectors are just the actuators for your control system.
And to say they are out dated it's just bonkers, probably means your tuner didn't know or the ecu couldn't do it, how to program a three term controller (PID)
Having the ecu control the boost levels are the ONLY way I would have it, it's just as important as ignition timing and fuel, so why use a separate controller that does have all the input facts (corrections)
Air injectors are just the actuators for your control system.
Because Rod just talks out of his arse... If he hasn't got it then it's all wank.!!!..when are people going to realise he runs a million pound one trick pony...I still want to see his one trick pony show me the light of day in my poxy T34 powered car (has he say..!)...beat me down the proper country lanes... Like proper cars should be... It wasn't a Rs to used in a straight line.
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
16-08-2012, 05:41 PM
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16-08-2012, 06:11 PM
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Because Rod just talks out of his arse... If he hasn't got it then it's all wank.!!!..when are people going to realise he runs a million pound one trick pony...I still want to see his one trick pony show me the light of day in my poxy T34 powered car (has he say..!)...beat me down the proper country lanes... Like proper cars should be... It wasn't a Rs to used in a straight line.
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
16-08-2012, 06:19 PM
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Air injectors ARE bost control.
And to say they are out dated it's just bonkers, probably means your tuner didn't know or the ecu couldn't do it, how to program a three term controller (PID)
Having the ecu control the boost levels are the ONLY way I would have it, it's just as important as ignition timing and fuel, so why use a separate controller that does have all the input facts (corrections)
Air injectors are just the actuators for your control system.
And to say they are out dated it's just bonkers, probably means your tuner didn't know or the ecu couldn't do it, how to program a three term controller (PID)
Having the ecu control the boost levels are the ONLY way I would have it, it's just as important as ignition timing and fuel, so why use a separate controller that does have all the input facts (corrections)
Air injectors are just the actuators for your control system.
Although Mark did say to me they should work with the SM4, so I run air injectors on my Autronic SM4 and they work fine 
16-08-2012, 06:20 PM
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Because Rod just talks out of his arse... If he hasn't got it then it's all wank.!!!..when are people going to realise he runs a million pound one trick pony...I still want to see his one trick pony show me the light of day in my poxy T34 powered car (has he say..!)...beat me down the proper country lanes... Like proper cars should be... It wasn't a Rs to used in a straight line.
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
you are wrong about Rod mate really ! But its one of those some people prefer them some dont , ive never been a fan but to be honest ive never learned to set them up and from what i know they take some setting up and many who use a boost controller or a aftermarket ecu they achiebe everything needed to do ! so yes there good but only in the right hands
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16-08-2012, 06:36 PM
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If I could have he perfect boost control system, I would ditch the amal valve/air injectors and the turbo actuator, and have an electronic linear actuator acting directly onto the wastagate
16-08-2012, 06:42 PM
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you are wrong about Rod mate really ! But its one of those some people prefer them some dont , ive never been a fan but to be honest ive never learned to set them up and from what i know they take some setting up and many who use a boost controller or a aftermarket ecu they achiebe everything needed to do ! so yes there good but only in the right hands
I love Rodney really mate... And I know air injectors are dated... I just love giving the arrogant remarks back even tho I know he doesn't mean it.. It's just the way he comes across... All in all top bloke..!
16-08-2012, 07:09 PM
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16-08-2012, 10:33 PM
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I'm not pretending to know much about the subject, just commented on what I have installed.
It's main purpose was to use the boost limiting facility in lower gears to help it grip, however we cant get a speed signal into it at the moment, i also like the option of 2 boost settings so I have the option to run lower boost if I want.
It's going for mapping soon so will all be set up properly then.
It's main purpose was to use the boost limiting facility in lower gears to help it grip, however we cant get a speed signal into it at the moment, i also like the option of 2 boost settings so I have the option to run lower boost if I want.
It's going for mapping soon so will all be set up properly then.
16-08-2012, 10:54 PM
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Because Rod just talks out of his arse... If he hasn't got it then it's all wank.!!!..when are people going to realise he runs a million pound one trick pony...I still want to see his one trick pony show me the light of day in my poxy T34 powered car (has he say..!)...beat me down the proper country lanes... Like proper cars should be... It wasn't a Rs to used in a straight line.
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
Rant over... Sorry but just seems if rods NASA 10 saphire doesn't have it then it's wank..!
16-08-2012, 11:23 PM
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I'm not pretending to know much about the subject, just commented on what I have installed.
It's main purpose was to use the boost limiting facility in lower gears to help it grip, however we cant get a speed signal into it at the moment, i also like the option of 2 boost settings so I have the option to run lower boost if I want.
It's going for mapping soon so will all be set up properly then.
It's main purpose was to use the boost limiting facility in lower gears to help it grip, however we cant get a speed signal into it at the moment, i also like the option of 2 boost settings so I have the option to run lower boost if I want.
It's going for mapping soon so will all be set up properly then.
1 kg/cm2 is just under 1 bar which is maybe why when you want 2.3 on the avcr your actually getting 2.1 bar
They are pretty complex bits of kit that require plenty of fettling to get the best out of the features.
17-08-2012, 12:15 AM
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I do not recommend aftermarket boost controllers. In fact I actually dislike them a lot!
On large turbos, air injectors with full ecu control and adjustable in car knob is quite simply the best system out there. And it all comes as a std option with pectel L8 and P8!
On large turbos, air injectors with full ecu control and adjustable in car knob is quite simply the best system out there. And it all comes as a std option with pectel L8 and P8!
17-08-2012, 04:01 AM
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I think when rods car is next up and running you should pm him about taking a trip down to basingstoke so you can have a ride out in it i 100% guarantee you would be totally gob smacked at just how fast a car can really be! and you will never look upon a big turbo,ed well built mapped and spec,ed cosworth as laggy ever again or see his car as a one trick pony!
I'm really not bothered about going up a duel carriage way at warp factor 5... I bet it's nice has I know it's been done proper... But it doesn't interest me... I like a drivers car.
17-08-2012, 05:16 AM
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17-08-2012, 07:12 AM
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AVCR has 3 settings. Off, A and B. Speed signal is easy and doesn't need to be accurate as it just helps calculate a gear position. Just run a hall sensor counting something like driveshaft bolts. AVCR doesnt work or display bar either, it uses kg/cm2.
1 kg/cm2 is just under 1 bar which is maybe why when you want 2.3 on the avcr your actually getting 2.1 bar
They are pretty complex bits of kit that require plenty of fettling to get the best out of the features.
1 kg/cm2 is just under 1 bar which is maybe why when you want 2.3 on the avcr your actually getting 2.1 bar
They are pretty complex bits of kit that require plenty of fettling to get the best out of the features.
We've got a proximity sensor picking up off a single bolt in what use to be the front CV joint, but it doesn't seem to get a signal from it at all. Surely that should work?
17-08-2012, 08:00 AM
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Not down the twisties here it wouldn't and especially not with ROD driving....
ROd would be better coming with me as a passenger first then he will at least know if he can peddle it...!
Anyhow back on subject you MAD men.
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17-08-2012, 10:33 AM
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I've got a turbo smart E boost 2. IMO its perfect for my needs multi boost in gear setting and much much more. Takes a while to get used to it but they are good.
17-08-2012, 11:46 AM
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my race car as a bleed valve for boost control !! lol
the dam amal valve wouldn't control boost propperly on the rollers a few weeks ago, it seemed the chip installed wouldn't send it the correct signals(only seeing 1.3 bar on a t34.63 with 55lbs siemens) so the tuner fitted it to get me going and found 23bhp lol (the chip was from a different tuner)
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the dam amal valve wouldn't control boost propperly on the rollers a few weeks ago, it seemed the chip installed wouldn't send it the correct signals(only seeing 1.3 bar on a t34.63 with 55lbs siemens) so the tuner fitted it to get me going and found 23bhp lol (the chip was from a different tuner)
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17-08-2012, 01:02 PM
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