PF user sells me a broken gearbox... STILL WAITING
04-08-2012, 12:52 AM
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Shame there's still so many cunts in the world.
GENERALLY,this is a really cracking website where the decent members 100% back each other with a problem but as with anything else you do get a few bad apples chancing stuff probably in the hope that you'd change your mind fitting it,pass it on then he could claim "it worked when I had it".
I've said it for sometime on here and nothing's ever been done but IMO we should have a proper classified ads system where you have to provide the mods with a valid address,preferably landline number and bank details/proof of address,at least then if the parts were miss sold theres a paper trail to show where the bits have come from.
If your a genuine seller then why not do it?
The site makes it impossible for anyone who's had any association to the motor trade in some way or another past or present to sell goods unless they subscribe to business rates,which generally are too high if your not a full time business,but with paid classified ads the site gets some cash rather than eBay and the buyer knows there's a comeback route if the goods are wrongly described,which they clearly were in this case.
As usual,the mods are doing their best to sort it which is superb,just goes to show that this is a true community website but if banning him and offering the services of someone to collect the debt is the sites only route of comeback then something seriously needs too change.
GENERALLY,this is a really cracking website where the decent members 100% back each other with a problem but as with anything else you do get a few bad apples chancing stuff probably in the hope that you'd change your mind fitting it,pass it on then he could claim "it worked when I had it".
I've said it for sometime on here and nothing's ever been done but IMO we should have a proper classified ads system where you have to provide the mods with a valid address,preferably landline number and bank details/proof of address,at least then if the parts were miss sold theres a paper trail to show where the bits have come from.
If your a genuine seller then why not do it?
The site makes it impossible for anyone who's had any association to the motor trade in some way or another past or present to sell goods unless they subscribe to business rates,which generally are too high if your not a full time business,but with paid classified ads the site gets some cash rather than eBay and the buyer knows there's a comeback route if the goods are wrongly described,which they clearly were in this case.
As usual,the mods are doing their best to sort it which is superb,just goes to show that this is a true community website but if banning him and offering the services of someone to collect the debt is the sites only route of comeback then something seriously needs too change.
Let me be the first to disagree!!!!
I know your only paying devils advocate cos your a good lad chip but the blame now lies solely with the last person to sell it as he's selling as good,the ad says "he" drove it 1000 miles in "his" car with no issues which was not the case.
The last person in line needs to refund whoever he sold it too then chase the boy HE bought it off to get his refund.
Same as of you buy something like a tv off a shop etc,you get your refund from the shop then they chase the manufacturer/their supplier for the difference.
Ok,it's second hand parts and you always take a gamble so it's obviously not quite that cut and dried,but leocos clearly sold this box on as good when as scoobyslayer stated should have been sold as untested albeit then at a far lower price.
I know your only paying devils advocate cos your a good lad chip but the blame now lies solely with the last person to sell it as he's selling as good,the ad says "he" drove it 1000 miles in "his" car with no issues which was not the case.
The last person in line needs to refund whoever he sold it too then chase the boy HE bought it off to get his refund.
Same as of you buy something like a tv off a shop etc,you get your refund from the shop then they chase the manufacturer/their supplier for the difference.
Ok,it's second hand parts and you always take a gamble so it's obviously not quite that cut and dried,but leocos clearly sold this box on as good when as scoobyslayer stated should have been sold as untested albeit then at a far lower price.
04-08-2012, 12:59 AM
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Why cant this be solved threw the courts,or face to face as chris will be at ford fair,but no adam you have to post it on every ford forum,not taking sides as i think chris is in the wrong,but you now get every body else sticking there nose in,am i right in saying you bought a box off a guy you dount know ,and you dont even have an address or land line number for him,?
I agree on making sure no body else gets ripped off ,but every body puts there two pence in and stories get crossed wires,going threw the courts he will get nothing as chris is unemployed ,banned with no car and lives in a rented flat ,its shit whats happened but its not the first time on here is it ,maybe more security when ppl join,to protect buyers a bit more
Sounds like this guy needs to come up against someone that will not let him get away with his dodgy dealings (your words STUCOS), he might then stop trying to take advantage of decent buyers.
04-08-2012, 01:24 AM
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Don't really think it's up to anyone to volunteer Matt's services apart from Matt himself. Knowing Matt i'm sure he would help if he could but that's up to him to offer, if it all went a bit Pete Tong when Matt went to get the refund it's his neck on the line and him facing the courts.
04-08-2012, 07:52 AM
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Don't really think it's up to anyone to volunteer Matt's services apart from Matt himself. Knowing Matt i'm sure he would help if he could but that's up to him to offer, if it all went a bit Pete Tong when Matt went to get the refund it's his neck on the line and him facing the courts.
Fully agree with what you've said Vaughan.
Agreed again.
Fully agree with what you've said Vaughan.
Agreed again.
Cheers man,I haven't forgotten your paper either,honestly not had time to go and post it!!!
As I said above for the mods only solution to be to give an incorrect username because he's possibly helped users out in the past is ridiculous,dundee is a tough place,you don't just turn up to a block of tenement's expecting a guy to hand over £1500 without doing your homework first,he may have 10 mates living nearby that he can call in at a moments notice and as tough as mat is he can't sort out 10 boys by himself!!
Yes the guy should sort it out and was totally wrong to advertise as such,also it now turns out he's well aware the box had issues so that also makes it worse,I just hope it can be resolved.
As for my suggestion of the classified ads it really would solve a lot of issues and IMO bring more money to the website but sadly I feel it's gonna fall on deaf years due to IB thinking that £60 a month from 20 traders is worth more than £2 a go from 1000's of users.
Could advertise cars from part time traders etc for say £5 each,would rejuvenate the dismal sales section where on the first page there's ads going back 2-3 months,it's gone stagnant.
Just a thought.
04-08-2012, 04:26 PM
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hello, i am the guy who sold the gearbox, i didnt know the gearbox had a fault as it was straight from the place charles butler transmission who had the box back after it being rebuilt with still having a fault crunching 2nd to 3rd this was rectified and the box went straight to adam as i started to brake my saphire project,... at first i wasnt going to take any responsibility as the problem adam is now having is with 4rth gear and i thought he could only have cause that damage himself as there was never a problem with 4rth before and he is running a box capable off 450bhp in a 600bhp car,, but now after speaking to my mate and bara motorsport it can only be the selector fork causing the problem of not going going into 4rth gear as thats the only thing that hasnt been replaced, and i was quoted a price for
£200 labour and £65 for selector fork
and have offered to give adam £200 back to resolve this issue bare in mind i already knocked off £200 off the original asking price and can only say sorry for his troubles off fitting it and having to remove it again,
Chris
£200 labour and £65 for selector fork
and have offered to give adam £200 back to resolve this issue bare in mind i already knocked off £200 off the original asking price and can only say sorry for his troubles off fitting it and having to remove it again,
Chris
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04-08-2012, 06:16 PM
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hello, i am the guy who sold the gearbox, i didnt know the gearbox had a fault as it was straight from the place charles butler transmission who had the box back after it being rebuilt with still having a fault crunching 2nd to 3rd this was rectified and the box went straight to adam as i started to brake my saphire project,... at first i wasnt going to take any responsibility as the problem adam is now having is with 4rth gear and i thought he could only have cause that damage himself as there was never a problem with 4rth before and he is running a box capable off 450bhp in a 600bhp car,, but now after speaking to my mate and bara motorsport it can only be the selector fork causing the problem of not going going into 4rth gear as thats the only thing that hasnt been replaced, and i was quoted a price for
£200 labour and £65 for selector fork
and have offered to give adam £200 back to resolve this issue bare in mind i already knocked off £200 off the original asking price and can only say sorry for his troubles off fitting it and having to remove it again,
Chris
£200 labour and £65 for selector fork
and have offered to give adam £200 back to resolve this issue bare in mind i already knocked off £200 off the original asking price and can only say sorry for his troubles off fitting it and having to remove it again,
Chris
Can't fault that at all,I'd stand by my original posts that you were wrong to dismiss the fault as someone else's initially but I'm glad you've seen the right way to do things and this way everyone's happy.
I work with Scottish boys and have always found them to be very fair about things,but stand their ground when they know (or "ken") their right.
Also you never claimed it capable of handling more than 450 bhp so I'd say 100% right on that.
04-08-2012, 10:09 PM
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hello, i am the guy who sold the gearbox, i didnt know the gearbox had a fault as it was straight from the place charles butler transmission who had the box back after it being rebuilt with still having a fault crunching 2nd to 3rd this was rectified and the box went straight to adam as i started to brake my saphire project,... at first i wasnt going to take any responsibility as the problem adam is now having is with 4rth gear and i thought he could only have cause that damage himself as there was never a problem with 4rth before and he is running a box capable off 450bhp in a 600bhp car,, but now after speaking to my mate and bara motorsport it can only be the selector fork causing the problem of not going going into 4rth gear as thats the only thing that hasnt been replaced, and i was quoted a price for
£200 labour and £65 for selector fork
and have offered to give adam £200 back to resolve this issue bare in mind i already knocked off £200 off the original asking price and can only say sorry for his troubles off fitting it and having to remove it again,
Chris
£200 labour and £65 for selector fork
and have offered to give adam £200 back to resolve this issue bare in mind i already knocked off £200 off the original asking price and can only say sorry for his troubles off fitting it and having to remove it again,
Chris
Now your offering me £200 which means you still keep £300 profit so still quids in. I then have to take the box to bara (however i would rather pete as its his box) so fuel will be £20 each way or £35 post. £200-250 inspection, as as pete said 50-70 for the fork. HOWEVER if anything else needs replacing i have to fit the bill?
AS i said to iain and i will put on here to you i think this is the fairest option.........
CALL pete arrange a price to have it done that way you know i am not making up prices or making money I WILL DELIVER IT AND COLLECT IT you simply pay the repair cost now be that 200-300 YOUR STILL QUIDS IN AS YOU ONLY PAID £1000 FOR THE BOX.....
I personally think im being very fair there then this can end and we both walk away happy and retain some sort of pride. The box has pete warranty, and i will sell it on with that for exactly what i paid you for it. As if iain didnt tell you i just bought a brand new one at BIG COST from pete as i needed the car moved out of their workshop they are busy.
I await your reply
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04-08-2012, 10:29 PM
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I don't like getting involved in shit like this... but taking the repair issue out of the equation just now, from a neutral position, what does it matter what the seller paid for the box?!!
If he paid £1000 for it, I don't understand why you would grumble he is making a £500 profit if you were happy enough paying £1500 for it originally??
On the flip side, if he paid £2000 for it, would you moan or lose sleep over the fact that he's £500 out of pocket??
Cheers,
Grant
If he paid £1000 for it, I don't understand why you would grumble he is making a £500 profit if you were happy enough paying £1500 for it originally??
On the flip side, if he paid £2000 for it, would you moan or lose sleep over the fact that he's £500 out of pocket??
Cheers,
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04-08-2012, 10:33 PM
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I don't like getting involved in shit like this... but taking the repair issue out of the equation just now, from a neutral position, what does it matter what the seller paid for the box?!!
If he paid £1000 for it, I don't understand why you would grumble he is making a £500 profit if you were happy enough paying £1500 for it originally??
On the flip side, if he paid £2000 for it, would you moan or lose sleep over the fact that he's £500 out of pocket??
Cheers,
Grant
If he paid £1000 for it, I don't understand why you would grumble he is making a £500 profit if you were happy enough paying £1500 for it originally??
On the flip side, if he paid £2000 for it, would you moan or lose sleep over the fact that he's £500 out of pocket??
Cheers,
Grant
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04-08-2012, 10:37 PM
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I don't like getting involved in shit like this... but taking the repair issue out of the equation just now, from a neutral position, what does it matter what the seller paid for the box?!!
If he paid £1000 for it, I don't understand why you would grumble he is making a £500 profit if you were happy enough paying £1500 for it originally??
On the flip side, if he paid £2000 for it, would you moan or lose sleep over the fact that he's £500 out of pocket??
Cheers,
Grant
If he paid £1000 for it, I don't understand why you would grumble he is making a £500 profit if you were happy enough paying £1500 for it originally??
On the flip side, if he paid £2000 for it, would you moan or lose sleep over the fact that he's £500 out of pocket??
Cheers,
Grant
Sounds like a fair resolution for both sides - a working gearbox for a decent price - everyone's happy.
04-08-2012, 10:41 PM
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totally agree but i have paid £250 in fitting and removal (the garage are happy to supply bills) and oils and i am not asking for any of that back am i? PLUS im offering to pay for the collection and delivery!? SO im simply asking for it to be repaired
IS that me taking the piss? if so I will gladly take chris's offer however i think i am being fair?
IS that me taking the piss? if so I will gladly take chris's offer however i think i am being fair?
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04-08-2012, 10:46 PM
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If Chris really wants to sort this out & leave his reputation intact, he should cover the cost of the repair as Ad has already lost the transport, labour & consumables, I think it is only fair...
Come on Chris, do the right thing & just sort the repair out for the sake of a few quid.
Come on Chris, do the right thing & just sort the repair out for the sake of a few quid.
04-08-2012, 10:47 PM
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totally agree but i have paid £250 in fitting and removal and oils and i am not asking for any of that back am i? PLUS im offering to pay for the collection and delivery!? SO im simply asking for it to be repaired
IS that me taking the piss? if so I will gladly take chris's offer however i think i am being fair?
IS that me taking the piss? if so I will gladly take chris's offer however i think i am being fair?
That said, from the sounds of it the seller genuinely didn't know of this fault as it came straight back from the specialist (perhaps it's worth asking them why they didn't spot this issue?!) and as such if they pay to fix it they lose cash too, so - meet in the middle, accept it's just equally bad luck on both sides and move on. From what I see, box is still a good price and this outcome works for both of you.
04-08-2012, 10:52 PM
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That said, from the sounds of it the seller genuinely didn't know of this fault as it came straight back from the specialist (perhaps it's worth asking them why they didn't spot this issue?!) and as such if they pay to fix it they lose cash too, so - meet in the middle, accept it's just equally bad luck on both sides and move on. From what I see, box is still a good price and this outcome works for both of you.
I have tried to say this from day one, i dont think chris knew either however it needs to be put to bed and put right to be fair for both of us! lets get it to pete (the actual builder) fixed once and forall can be sold in perfect working order and all happy.
05-08-2012, 03:07 AM
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Just take the £200 and be done with it,that's a fair deal,you decided to pay to get it fitted,that's your problem,I had this with a part supplier once or twice in my garage and they just say "sorry" when they supply the wrong bit,not cover my labour and hassle before I realised the bit was wrong.
You've been very dignified in all this so far and IMO had no choice but to come on here although from what I see £200 is a fair offer,you did chip £200 off the original price,forget what he paid for it that's irrelevant,he may have won it in a raffle/toss of a coin for all anyone cares,and this way round you get a fully sorted box that's known to be in good order for about £1700 time you take the hassle factor into account.
You can then sell it for good money knowing its right.
Not worth arguing over £70 for,after all the box builder may want LESS than £200 to do it,so your quids in then.
You've been very dignified in all this so far and IMO had no choice but to come on here although from what I see £200 is a fair offer,you did chip £200 off the original price,forget what he paid for it that's irrelevant,he may have won it in a raffle/toss of a coin for all anyone cares,and this way round you get a fully sorted box that's known to be in good order for about £1700 time you take the hassle factor into account.
You can then sell it for good money knowing its right.
Not worth arguing over £70 for,after all the box builder may want LESS than £200 to do it,so your quids in then.
05-08-2012, 05:48 AM
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Still,I'm not sure as to why the box builder didn't test selection throughout the gears before handing the box back although I suppose a syncro fault wouldn't show up until it was moving?
We used to use an electronic drive system in Ford to simulate all the different driving conditions for testing the rear diffs,under load,coasting,low speed/high speed etc. and a computer collated all the results.
Of course this would be a bit OTT for a small gearbox company but you can set a drive system and motor up very easily to just simulate basic drive elements,ie cruising at 4000 rpm,speed up to 6000 rpm and coast down to idle to check full selection and listen/test for vibration etc,it's pretty easy to set up vibration monitoring as well.
The whole system could easily be set up for under a grand,I maybe able to help with a few bits (wink wink).
05-08-2012, 09:11 AM
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Hmm,see what you mean in a way as there's a new box in the car hence unlikely to swap them round purely to test it out although on the flip side it really is fully rebuilt now,as everything's been changed on it.
Still,I'm not sure as to why the box builder didn't test selection throughout the gears before handing the box back although I suppose a syncro fault wouldn't show up until it was moving?
We used to use an electronic drive system in Ford to simulate all the different driving conditions for testing the rear diffs,under load,coasting,low speed/high speed etc. and a computer collated all the results.
Of course this would be a bit OTT for a small gearbox company but you can set a drive system and motor up very easily to just simulate basic drive elements,ie cruising at 4000 rpm,speed up to 6000 rpm and coast down to idle to check full selection and listen/test for vibration etc,it's pretty easy to set up vibration monitoring as well.
The whole system could easily be set up for under a grand,I maybe able to help with a few bits (wink wink).
Still,I'm not sure as to why the box builder didn't test selection throughout the gears before handing the box back although I suppose a syncro fault wouldn't show up until it was moving?
We used to use an electronic drive system in Ford to simulate all the different driving conditions for testing the rear diffs,under load,coasting,low speed/high speed etc. and a computer collated all the results.
Of course this would be a bit OTT for a small gearbox company but you can set a drive system and motor up very easily to just simulate basic drive elements,ie cruising at 4000 rpm,speed up to 6000 rpm and coast down to idle to check full selection and listen/test for vibration etc,it's pretty easy to set up vibration monitoring as well.
The whole system could easily be set up for under a grand,I maybe able to help with a few bits (wink wink).
With the way infractions seem to be handed out lately I'd mind what your offering and also spell check what you write lol
05-08-2012, 02:46 PM
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I think Adam is being more than fair trying to sort this without incurring additional cost to himself really, the box is faulty so he could be demanding to return it for a full refund really. He is a straight up guy (known him for years) and there is no way he is trying it on after breaking the box himself or anything, its just not him. I think its only fair the seller foots the cost of putting it right, and Adam has given him a fair crack at doing that. Ball is in the sellers court now really. Hope it all gets sorted 
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I doubt anyone would be interested as it involves spending money!!!
Not sure what you meant by spelling?
I think it looks ok?
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Couldn't care less about infractions,I'm merely suggesting that this could be a good system for a small company as with the correct programming (which you can do direct from the drive system) you could test any type of rpm etc.
I doubt anyone would be interested as it involves spending money!!!
Not sure what you meant by spelling?
I think it looks ok?
I doubt anyone would be interested as it involves spending money!!!
Not sure what you meant by spelling?
I think it looks ok?
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hello chris, ok so as i mentioned to iain 2 things, The box has literally come out the wrapping and put on the engine then ran in the air on axel stands to check the box so how can i damage 4th gear PLUS im sure reyland will be proof enough that the car wasnt able to run as they had to supply me with the new fuel rail anyway as you knew per PM ? you only paid £1000 for the box off iain, i paid you 1550 posted it only cost you 35 post you said? i gave you £15 of the hassle!? so just to reitterate you have 'made' £500 off the box for doing nothing? i have paid to fit the box, paid for removal.
Now your offering me £200 which means you still keep £300 profit so still quids in. I then have to take the box to bara (however i would rather pete as its his box) so fuel will be £20 each way or £35 post. £200-250 inspection, as as pete said 50-70 for the fork. HOWEVER if anything else needs replacing i have to fit the bill?
AS i said to iain and i will put on here to you i think this is the fairest option.........
CALL pete arrange a price to have it done that way you know i am not making up prices or making money I WILL DELIVER IT AND COLLECT IT you simply pay the repair cost now be that 200-300 YOUR STILL QUIDS IN AS YOU ONLY PAID £1000 FOR THE BOX.....
I personally think im being very fair there then this can end and we both walk away happy and retain some sort of pride. The box has pete warranty, and i will sell it on with that for exactly what i paid you for it. As if iain didnt tell you i just bought a brand new one at BIG COST from pete as i needed the car moved out of their workshop they are busy.
I await your reply
Now your offering me £200 which means you still keep £300 profit so still quids in. I then have to take the box to bara (however i would rather pete as its his box) so fuel will be £20 each way or £35 post. £200-250 inspection, as as pete said 50-70 for the fork. HOWEVER if anything else needs replacing i have to fit the bill?
AS i said to iain and i will put on here to you i think this is the fairest option.........
CALL pete arrange a price to have it done that way you know i am not making up prices or making money I WILL DELIVER IT AND COLLECT IT you simply pay the repair cost now be that 200-300 YOUR STILL QUIDS IN AS YOU ONLY PAID £1000 FOR THE BOX.....
I personally think im being very fair there then this can end and we both walk away happy and retain some sort of pride. The box has pete warranty, and i will sell it on with that for exactly what i paid you for it. As if iain didnt tell you i just bought a brand new one at BIG COST from pete as i needed the car moved out of their workshop they are busy.
I await your reply
adam it doesnt matter what i paid for the box, the box had a full £780 rebuild, gears measured and checked, all bearings replaced and new syncros, also new magnetic drain plugs, the only thing that wasnt changed was the selector fork,
i originally had the box advertised for £1950 then £1700 and you knocked me down to £1500 and i just accepted so theres no chance im giving you £500 back
Im not saying that you have broken the box but thats what i did think to start with as it was a month by the time you came back to me, but after talking threw with my mate and bara i changed my mind and am offering you £200 to towards getting the box repaired take it or leave it its up to you, and i will send you the money on the 18th off this month
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adam it doesnt matter what i paid for the box, the box had a full £780 rebuild, gears measured and checked, all bearings replaced and new syncros, also new magnetic drain plugs, the only thing that wasnt changed was the selector fork,
i originally had the box advertised for £1950 then £1700 and you knocked me down to £1500 and i just accepted so theres no chance im giving you £500 back
Im not saying that you have broken the box but thats what i did think to start with as it was a month by the time you came back to me, but after talking threw with my mate and bara i changed my mind and am offering you £200 to towards getting the box repaired take it or leave it its up to you, and i will send you the money on the 18th off this month
i originally had the box advertised for £1950 then £1700 and you knocked me down to £1500 and i just accepted so theres no chance im giving you £500 back
Im not saying that you have broken the box but thats what i did think to start with as it was a month by the time you came back to me, but after talking threw with my mate and bara i changed my mind and am offering you £200 to towards getting the box repaired take it or leave it its up to you, and i will send you the money on the 18th off this month
I'm not getting into a argument about how long i have had it for i told you i wanted to test it BEFORE i paid the remainder you agreed on the phone! Then the day i take delivery your calling me for the rest, so i pay so you can go on holiday as you say if theres any problems you will sort it but there shouldnt be!?
All i want is a fair outcome here for both of us but if bara say its the fork oh and 1 syncro is gone oh and a bearing? that means the price will jump up.
also do bara dyno the box and did they quote for that? pete charges £250 this will include the box being dyno'd and all labour and shimming pete also says if the box was not shimmed this may be the problem of it not selecting!? then + parts.
Like i have said i dont physically want any cash i want the box in working order. £200 is not enough I will against my better judgement say £300 and we put this to bed and i'm still gonna have to pay out for fuel and parts if theres anymore wrong with it. I dont wanna take it to bara as its a pete box, so the money you give me will literally pay petes labour and maybe the fork if he can do me it for £50. IF anything else is broke i will have to fit the bill.
I think that is more than fair....... especially as you want me to wait for the money too i paid you VERY promptly as you wanted the money for your holiday...
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06-08-2012, 12:08 AM
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look mate butt out!! im trying to sort something out!!
i sold the engine out my focus when i first started to break my car to my mate "millar" thats why ull see on my focus breaking thread all the engine stuff was marked as sold! then he decided he didnt want to convert his fiesta anymore so asked me to advertise it again which i did in a seperate advert! and i passed your number onto him and he text text you himself when he came on shore! and sent you pictures! which is why there was a weeks gap in getting back to you!.. now he is keeping the engine but selling all the stuff off it except the head and block and is advertising it himself in the parts section as he is now a gold member!!!........now millar does work offshore! and i am a joiner out of work at the moment because the building trade is on its arse and i will accept your appoligy!!!!!
06-08-2012, 12:12 AM
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look chris as said forget what you paid and i am not asking for £500 if it can be repaired cheaper bara cant tell you it ONLY needs a fork without stripping it ? what happens if i send it in and it needs other stuff?
I'm not getting into a argument about how long i have had it for i told you i wanted to test it BEFORE i paid the remainder you agreed on the phone! Then the day i take delivery your calling me for the rest, so i pay so you can go on holiday as you say if theres any problems you will sort it but there shouldnt be!?
All i want is a fair outcome here for both of us but if bara say its the fork oh and 1 syncro is gone oh and a bearing? that means the price will jump up.
also do bara dyno the box and did they quote for that? pete charges £250 this will include the box being dyno'd and all labour and shimming pete also says if the box was not shimmed this may be the problem of it not selecting!? then + parts.
Like i have said i dont physically want any cash i want the box in working order. £200 is not enough I will against my better judgement say £300 and we put this to bed and i'm still gonna have to pay out for fuel and parts if theres anymore wrong with it. I dont wanna take it to bara as its a pete box, so the money you give me will literally pay petes labour and maybe the fork if he can do me it for £50. IF anything else is broke i will have to fit the bill.
I think that is more than fair....... especially as you want me to wait for the money too i paid you VERY promptly as you wanted the money for your holiday...
I'm not getting into a argument about how long i have had it for i told you i wanted to test it BEFORE i paid the remainder you agreed on the phone! Then the day i take delivery your calling me for the rest, so i pay so you can go on holiday as you say if theres any problems you will sort it but there shouldnt be!?
All i want is a fair outcome here for both of us but if bara say its the fork oh and 1 syncro is gone oh and a bearing? that means the price will jump up.
also do bara dyno the box and did they quote for that? pete charges £250 this will include the box being dyno'd and all labour and shimming pete also says if the box was not shimmed this may be the problem of it not selecting!? then + parts.
Like i have said i dont physically want any cash i want the box in working order. £200 is not enough I will against my better judgement say £300 and we put this to bed and i'm still gonna have to pay out for fuel and parts if theres anymore wrong with it. I dont wanna take it to bara as its a pete box, so the money you give me will literally pay petes labour and maybe the fork if he can do me it for £50. IF anything else is broke i will have to fit the bill.
I think that is more than fair....... especially as you want me to wait for the money too i paid you VERY promptly as you wanted the money for your holiday...
adam i will pay £200 and thats it mate im not trying to be a dick about this but ill be standing my ground and i think im being fair on my part, if i still had the money sitting i would offer your a refund and take the box back but im not in a financial position to do so
06-08-2012, 11:20 AM
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adam i will pay £200 and thats it mate im not trying to be a dick about this but ill be standing my ground and i think im being fair on my part, if i still had the money sitting i would offer your a refund and take the box back but im not in a financial position to do so
i just had to borrow it off my parents
As said £300 mate i can understand if you skint however i was kind enough to give you the remaining £500 + 35 posted + 15 for your hassle! So you can go on holiday was that not kind ? before i physically checked it as said petes cost is gonna be £300 (with check and fork) plus extras +postage each way im still gonna be paying over £100 for extras if you give me 300, if you give me 200 im gonna be paying over 200....
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06-08-2012, 06:01 PM
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06-08-2012, 08:53 PM
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Understand mate but arent we all? I cant afford to spend over 4k on a brand new box but did plus fitting plus oils again.... after spending 1.5k on yours. on this 'little experience' its cost be about 8k
i just had to borrow it off my parents
As said £300 mate i can understand if you skint however i was kind enough to give you the remaining £500 + 35 posted + 15 for your hassle! So you can go on holiday was that not kind ? before i physically checked it as said petes cost is gonna be £300 (with check and fork) plus extras +postage each way im still gonna be paying over £100 for extras if you give me 300, if you give me 200 im gonna be paying over 200....
i just had to borrow it off my parents
As said £300 mate i can understand if you skint however i was kind enough to give you the remaining £500 + 35 posted + 15 for your hassle! So you can go on holiday was that not kind ? before i physically checked it as said petes cost is gonna be £300 (with check and fork) plus extras +postage each way im still gonna be paying over £100 for extras if you give me 300, if you give me 200 im gonna be paying over 200....
hes fuckin broke ass by looks of it . tell him to stick the dosh up his hole . what goes around comes around, he will loss alot more down the line for ripping you of, end of day we all no now hes a tool and not to be trusted if ever has stuff for sale .
thanks steven
02-09-2012, 07:39 PM
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OK so update on this , I have just dropped the box with pete today for inspection. His first impressions are he took the switch out and said the gears look good and it looks like one of his kits HOWEVER this box was NOT built by him now this is now one of 2things he says that bara copied this kit a while ago which is no issue its fine now this could be one of them but has been put together incorrectly by the so called rebuilders up in scotland hence the 4th gear issue, however if it is one of his someone has completely swapped the internals into this box as his boxes are marked and have certain parts machined for when he dynos them to check they work.he doubts very much this has ever been dyno,d as is hasn't got any mods so its impossible for the people who put it together to check its working correctly! He will be in touch with me this week to let me know the exact fault and parts needed and as said Chris I expect you to pay me for the repairs as again the box was lied its never been built by Pete!
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05-09-2012, 05:32 PM
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Ok so here's the report, bear in mind I'm not too technically minded but he said the reason it's not selecting is because the syncro hub is worn and undersized hence not selecting also something like the input gear needs replacing also and that he will give me a new 2nd and third gear and basically fix the lot but as he quoted me 500 that's what he's going to charge me due to my misfortune with this but that's even leaving him out of pocket.
So it'll be basically a brand new box, Chris what you gonna give me to ccompensate but 200 imo is too little bearing in mind it's cost me 80 in fuel just dropping it to Pete without picking it up from my mates garage 30miles away, plus oils and fitting 150 I'm down over 200 already without the repairs... I just can't afford it.
So it'll be basically a brand new box, Chris what you gonna give me to ccompensate but 200 imo is too little bearing in mind it's cost me 80 in fuel just dropping it to Pete without picking it up from my mates garage 30miles away, plus oils and fitting 150 I'm down over 200 already without the repairs... I just can't afford it.
05-09-2012, 06:05 PM
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adam it doesnt matter what i paid for the box, the box had a full £780 rebuild, gears measured and checked, all bearings replaced and new syncros, also new magnetic drain plugs, the only thing that wasnt changed was the selector fork,
i originally had the box advertised for £1950 then £1700 and you knocked me down to £1500 and i just accepted so theres no chance im giving you £500 back
Im not saying that you have broken the box but thats what i did think to start with as it was a month by the time you came back to me, but after talking threw with my mate and bara i changed my mind and am offering you £200 to towards getting the box repaired take it or leave it its up to you, and i will send you the money on the 18th off this month
i originally had the box advertised for £1950 then £1700 and you knocked me down to £1500 and i just accepted so theres no chance im giving you £500 back
Im not saying that you have broken the box but thats what i did think to start with as it was a month by the time you came back to me, but after talking threw with my mate and bara i changed my mind and am offering you £200 to towards getting the box repaired take it or leave it its up to you, and i will send you the money on the 18th off this month
you said the box was grand, he offered you £1500, you didnt have to accept but you did
you sold a box " in full working order " but it was not
if you want to keep your rep in good order just pay for the repair so all ends well, you keep your good rep, an adam gets a good box
05-09-2012, 06:13 PM
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just take it to the small claims court, you should have enough evidence to get a lot of your cash back. certainly get more than £200 i'd have thought.
clearly a reputation isn't of concern to this geezer, i've sold stuff and ended up out of pocket a couple of times, but i will sort the issues or a full refund as i know it sucks to be let down time and time again.
clearly a reputation isn't of concern to this geezer, i've sold stuff and ended up out of pocket a couple of times, but i will sort the issues or a full refund as i know it sucks to be let down time and time again.