SapphyMike

Well, looks like i'm gonna be saving for an Evo 4

RichardPON

Oh good lord - just read that bit.

Do people talk like this who aren't members of "blazing squad"?

Paul RST

i do like the scooby and evo and really would consider one as a everyday car lightly tuned of cause but since i saw clarkson introdusce the escort rs cosworth on top gear many moons ago i have really wanted one. i will have one one day even if at the moment things have changed with having a baby and getting married in a weeks time

The cossie can sit in the garage waiting for the sun to come out while the evo or scooby will be used everyday. I thought of getting a standard escort cossie for everyday use, is anyone here doing this

Would you swap your high power rs's for a bike?

tonyk

didnt know kenzie was on here

Scooby is a better handling car than the escort cossie, the escort looks far better. The scooby now is a good replacement/upgrade for the rs turbo owners. Cause they start from £1500 these days and a mint example can be had for £8-£10000. Wouldnt bother with the newer ones though.

Fagin

If is was such a sure fire winner then why havent they done it then? Probably because they are not prepared to take the marketing risk as they probably know they would never return a profit (or the risk in doing so is that great). Remember FORD are all about making money!

Azrael,
I totally disagree.... because that is excatly what Subaru and Mitsi are prepared to do and have done. Even though rules have changed these 2 maufacturers have still got the balls to produce rally based road cars (STi, Spec C, Type RA, MR, FQ etc etc) which is my exact point.

I am certainly not bitching about any car being crap (for fook sakes I have owned 4 performance Fords ), it's just that some people have such blinkered vision, that they can't bare to admit that the current crop of jap performance cars are awesome bit's of kit, and maybe, just maybe better than the Cossies.

I'm sorry, but one guy "giv'in chav large" on here owns a foooking FRST..... so what flaming room has he got to slag off Jap cars!!!

Some of you guys make me laugh!

Fagin

Rich,

You cheeky cooooooooooont.

(Just read your garage remark)

xr2i-carl

no need to bite my fuckin head off faggot i mean fagin

sorry i am wrong and that scooby is such a better car than a cossie......................................

I FOOKIN APOLOGIZE OK

the only reason i slag off jap cars because im my own opinion they all look CACK

xr2i-carl

i aint no fookin kenzie either, ok i am biased very biased im well into my rs cosworths and woudl rather spend 15k on a nice low mileage esco cos than half that on a scooby

Azrael

They got the JDM where they can sell much more performance cars then in Europe. Of course there is number of other reasons but basically all the european manufacturers don't consider GroupN rallying to be attractive and the days of Grp. A homologation specials are ended. There has been very different era with a large number of cars very similar to motorsport versions on road, today this is not the case. Even Gr.N Scoobie is very different to road going one. The change has been in large areas due to technology changes.


They are much more modern for sure and just drive better in almost every way. The only advantages of Old Fords are that they are no nonsense so no electronics, EURO NCAP's, seat belt buzzers, cupholders and everything that makes them lighter, and they have some awesome engine. But suspension wise and transmission Ford-Cosworth cars are 80's cars! They are just old, I do love to drive Escort Cossies and I think they are really great cars but they are just old. It's pretty astonishing they still keep up ith more modern cars at times but generally world has moved. Out of the box STI Scoobie ist faster, more comfortable, more economical and more reliable at the same time. Think about completly factory Ford - I never drove one but at 0.8 bar boost it must be really slow...

Fagin

xr2i-carl,
Your from Essex and you drive a FRST... so your forgiven for thinking that anything outside of the world of cossies is unknown! :cry

All you have to think about it what colour of Burberry your next cap will don!

Azrael,
A Factory Ford Escort Big Turbo cossie is very sloooooooooooooooow.... perhaps not as slow as a T4 standard RS500 though! (Ok thats wrong as they are both quick cars, but you get my drift)

Azrael

I know what you mean exactly... I drove standard factroy 2WD Saph recently and it's by no means slow car, but it felt so slow compared to performance cars I drive from time to time.

I heard RS500 are very funny bost from 5k rpm? on standard chip...

RS500

Cossie's are classic cars now.
Most jap cars are to new become classic's but i think some jap cars:
impreza evo skyline rx7 supra are on it's way to become classic cars of the future.
I love japcars and cossie's.
And cossie's are very good of tuned and setup the right way and you push can the cossie futher whit new tech and engineering.

RS500

In a few years their will a be a all new focus cosworh 4x4.

Azrael

Don't think so, and even if it will be Volvo-Focus with crap haldex instead of true fulltime transmission.

RS500

Cossie's are classic cars now.
Most good jap cars like impreza evo skyline rx7 gti-r are to new to become classics.
You can make a very good car of a cossie whit the right mods and chassis setup.
And time wil tell of the jap cars wil be classic cars i think they will become classic cars.

Fagin

RS500,

I am certainly under no illusion that the jap cars will ever have the classic status or heritage of certain cosworths.

One of my mates stated my RS500 was a much better car than a previous Escort Cossie I had.... purely because of what the RS500 stood for by way of it's heritage. While I agreed with him to a degree, and no matter what BHP it had or condition it was in, in was still an old Sierra! Even if it was a nice one.

moonstone mike

The p1 is going to be a classic

RS500

I love both cossie's and jap cars.
And i hope that cars like evo impreza skyline rx7 supra are the future classic's.
But still love cossie's

xr2i-carl

fagin you dont have a clue do you!!!


burberry is for 17 yr old wankers who drive novas which was probably you when you were younger!!

if you love scoobies so much go on 1 of there forums fcuk sake

there is nothing wrong with essex people and i am not a commener.

ford is essex son!! where the hell are you from essex is nice place mate well some parts and where i live the house probably worth 3 times the amount where your from!!!



come to my house you insignificant wanker my house im sure is 3 times the value of yours

Azrael

xr2i-carl - it's almost impossible to understand what you are trying to say...

BEC_400

I think you wil find cars like the evo and impreza will lose their appeal pretty soon ,with cars like the BMW 130i,330T and poss an M2 (05-06 E30M3 equiv) people will deffo preferr the style and quality of BMW,trust me these jap cars will become a thing of the past.

On the other hand Ford will be back i reckon and if they use the 5cyl turbo it should be very strong and tuneable-doesnt need to be Cosworth,so long as they have 4wd to back it up

Evos and scoobys are boring! i nearly bought a evo8 but since iam a driver will take a good rwd anyday. If iam wrong then why do the owners of these cars sell them on so quickly and buy elises and other good drivers cars that need skill to drive fast

xr2i-carl

yeah i agree with you bec400,

i know alot of people who have sold scooby not long after buying them(6month)

but cosworth owners that i know keep them a long time!

Fagin

I wonder which Subaru forum I could go on then... do you know of any???

So if your not a "commener" what are you, cause you sure for shit cant spallll

What part of "I have owned 1 ERST, 2 Escort Cossies and a RS500" do you constitute as me being a blinkered Subaru owner prey tell??

Your be saying next, your Dad is bigger than my Dad!!!

And there was me thinking half term was over.

Lucky other people I know from Essex seem to have slightly more mature conversation then a baked bean.

It's quite amazing that certain individuals have to result to personal insults when they clearly don't have the intelligence for mature conversation or banter. But respect where respect is due..... you can at least spell wanker correctly. Please ask your boss at McDonalds to give you another gold star!

Now please run along and get down McDonalds...... the rest of your chavettes are waiting for you.

TIFF

@ Shauns MacDonalds jibe

xr2i-carl

i apologize mate i was in a huff!!

no i left macdonalds when i was 6 im now an engineer

Homer.

Time to put in a "what if" we are all complaning about ford cossy's being old and behind the modern jap stuff and with it looking like there wont be another ford cosworth of any sort would u buy another make with a cosworth badge? with Audi/VAG group owning part of cosworth ,i think, would you buy a Audi S4 Cosworth or VW R32 Cosworth ect ect if it was ever to happen?

Fagin

xr2i-carl,
No problem..... do it again though and I will give you lines and a detention!

Tiff,
You can talk!!!! Who did I see today pulling out of Maccy D's in his soon to be pimp up'd Range Rover!!!!

xr2i-carl

haha dont want detention cheers

anyway fagin what do you drive at the moment? the car in ya sig?

Fagin

wee-homer,
If Ford were to bring out a 4x4 rally bred Focus I woud buy one of those tomorrow!!!!!!

And..... my Golf GT TDi was first owned (I am the 2nd owner) by Cosworth Technologies (I kid you not) !!!! What's was that all about!!!

Fagin

Carl,
500bhp RS500 was sold about 3 weeks ago. Replaced it with a Suabru STi. I lower myself to driving a MSD modified 195bhp Golf Diesel for the daily trips to work.

xr2i-carl

so not the car in ya sig? so just a golf?

xr2i-carl

no wonder your stikcin up for the jap crap then, u really prefer it????

Coldo

Being 18.. im still dreaming about a cossie, my dads had one, and loved it, then he grew up and bought a vectra

Personally though, i prefer cossies to evo's etc because ive grown up wanting one. Maybe when i eventually get one, i might think, 'what the fuck am i doing with a 15 year old car, when i could have bought a newer one, with better spec for the same price?' Who knows, i'm determined to get a cossie at some point in my life, until then, i keep on dreaming

On another note, this is presicely why i want ford/cosworth to build some more proper RS's! so the youngsters can grow up wanting one, like i have! Focus RS is the only modern ford that the young of today can look forward to owning, and no offence to focus RS owners, but it's not (in my opinion) a patch on any cossie?!

TIFF

I realised it was you as you drove past

i know this face anywhere

Fagin

Carl,
Just fancied a change. The RS500 I had was in pristine condition and I didnt want to drive it for the fear of damaging it...... so hence I have bought the Scooby as the weekend blaster, as come rain or shine I can give it a good ragging, which worrying about the rain or the RWD killing me to death!

Tiff,
And I bet you had about 20 burgers that size from McDonalds!!!

Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

You can see into the future

Mark

xr2i-carl

nah mate the cossie is such an amazing car that even if you get 1 in 3 years if you get low mileage 1 it will prob be in beter cond than any newer evo just fcukin get 1 its so much better car than any of those jap crap

xr2i-carl

yeah but evo's and subaru sh!te peices deprectiate so muhc cossies dotn seem to to much

Azrael

You got any arguments for what you saying or is it just the need to write something and practise your spelling?

moonstone mike