seems like both have been improved alot more so the VXR, can the see the ST selling well as usual

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi..._focus_st.html

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...astra_vxr.html

 

Astra finally has a decent diff after all these years without them that alone trumps the ST's electronic system IMHO

 

That Astra looks the bollox..!!!... Not keen on ST tho..!

 

astra looks like the vw

 

Wonder which one is best round a track.

 

Probable the megane, lol
Although TBH I drove one recently and was a bit underwhelmed, the traction control was on (renault wouldnt let me turn it off, lol) and it was horrid, but it did seem like if you took that restriction away it was a sweet chassis and would probably work well.

 

I'd hope so with the track times its been posting lol

 

Not sure, still got a feeling the focus will be better in the corners, but i think the Astra is going to be fairly quick in a line

 

Vauxhall always seemed to have the quicker car ib a straight line but round a track ford seem to do better. I like the focus but it looks a bit bland compared to the ashtray vxr.

 

This time though vauxhall have a high tech suspension setup and a proper mechanical diff.
So I think it might be the other way around for once, despite that historically I would agree with you, but thats often been because its ford who had the sense to fit a diff in the past.

 

Nice paint match on the Ashtray bumpers.

Astra looks quite lairy outside and Focus looks very bland to me.


Cheers,
Grant

 

The Astra actually looks pretty good to be fair and with a decent diff and a nice chunk more power than the ST. It seems that yet again Ford have fallen short of what we demand from them. If I was in the market and had to pick from the 2 it would be the Focus but only because I just can't bring myself to own a Vauxhall. BUT if I was offered the keys to only one of them for a blast it would be the Vauxhall, hands down.

Best option would be take the money and buy something I actually wanted which in all honesty would be neither.

 

Lets hope it's a little bland because there's something hotter in the pipe line like with the mk2 ST and RS, remember the dolphin and shark bollocks ford came out with

 

what's high tech about the front suspension? seems similar to the ford revo knuckle which is similar to something toyota used in the 90s (super strut).

 

i like the st , think the astra looks like a squashed corsa lol

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...t=1160038&nmt=

 

Oof Ł5k price difference and nearly Ł30k for a fucking Astra!!!

 

No one will pay that, always end up paying less than the actual price being thrown about.

 

VXR isn't really the same market as the ST though is it? Fords equivilant to the VXR is an RS

 

Seems to be making a good impression on first test drives.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-7843931.html
http://www.topgear.com/uk/ford/focus...test/st-driven

 

I agree with that tbh mate.. I much prefer my mk2 rs to the new st so will keep it, maybe if the mk3 rs gets my attention then il change but going on he shape and looks i cant see it swaying me to sell my mk2

 

True but what you get off one you are likely to get near off the other so it's all relative

 

Agreed. It's not that much faster than an ST considering an ST in poverty spec comes in at 22k

I always thought the ST had the feel and intention of being a fast practical tourer you could drive 'spiritedly' And the RS was the more 'balls out' hooning roadcar.

That said the VXR is a handsome beast.

 

that VXR is nice looking but with fwd and 20 inch wheels i wouldnt want to think what tyres cost!!

 

astra looks like the megane

 

Just dont like the new Focus ST, Maybe when i see one ill change but as of yet they look shit!

Im sure the RS prices will fall as those who need the new model of anything will be wanting to sell up.

You know who you are

 

St just looks wrong.

VXR does'nt look too bad. but I can't stand the griffen badge. sorry but a image thing for me.

Look forward to the new Golf Gti next year.

 

Not keen on the looks of the ST, the price is good & the spec. Maybe I'll change my mind when I see one in the flesh.