Cossie Sean

Best F1 for me is Rallycross

MadMac

Dunno the answer to that one, but they will probably retain some sort of overtaking mechanism such as KERS and DRS, but with a more advanced ERS system replacing KERS, maybe a turbo boost will replace DRS.. who knows! It will be interesting to find out thou.

MadMac

Oh here we go, I was wondering when a Rallycross Spazzo would pipe on on a perfectly decent F1 thread

Cossie Sean

but i did prefer the old turbo days, fave car was a JPS lotus toy i had as a kid, dunno what era it was from.

spazzo.................. i shal post no more Sir

alexno1dj

i think the turbo as you mentioned before, is to demonstrate further efficiency, i know cars already use a small percentage of bio fuel as it is. i imagine there will however be boost restrictions. The cars of the 80s were pumping sometimes 4.5 bar of boost into those 1.5 litre v6s. no wonder power outputs were huge during qualifying when the didnt need to worry about fuel

JayCC

As sad as it sounds, I also miss the "oh, is that blue smoke coming out the back of XXX's car??" and the next corner he was sat up on the grass with engine failure.

The only retirements these days are down to someone driving into somebody else, or forgetting to do a wheel nut up?

I did enjoy watching Button at Brawn though. Just seeing how bad he punished the field in whatever race.

Didn't like it so much when Vettle did it though!

foreigneRS

it's completely relevant to a discussion about overtaking.

car with Mechanical grip + a little aero downforce = decent grip tucked up behind another one has about the same grip as if it were in free air which allows it to stay close through a corner. car with less mechanical grip + shit loads of aero downforce = shit loads of grip cannot stay close to a car in front through a corner so has less of a chance to overtake out of it or into the next.

alexno1dj

THANK YOU, finally someone understands what i am taking about. This is exactly the point i am trying to make. The aero downforce dependence is and has been affecting overtaking in F1. When cars relied on mechanical grip, the racing was much closer

Chaz888

With the new turbo era coming I think boost and fuel flow are to be regulated so no more fire breathing monsters shame ! , however the thing F1 could give us if KERS is to stay is compact and potent battery tech which is somthing very much needed if we go all hybrid we have good compact and powerful elec motors its the battery that let the side down , and Alex I very much understand you view with how mech grip vs aero grip gives the chance for better overtaking , are not the american open wheelers more able to overtake due to a more simple aero package ?

alexno1dj

I believe so, its nice to see people are understanding my point. Its clear some of the aero technology has been reduced in f1 so that should be beneficial in the future. But the lack of overtaking in recent years has imo spoiled the sport. The mechanical grip aspect is what made lotus such a great team in the earlier F1. It was all about lightness and handling, although the cars were very unsafe. Ive been looking at some of the 70s F1 on youtube and I have to say running up to the 80s it was far more exciting. With regards to the KERS system, i imagine it will get dropped in favour of a short period of increased boost. But that's just me speculating.
I think smaller capacity, turbocharged engines are where alot of manufacturers are heading in normal cars, so it only seems right F1 should lead the technology.

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

i love looking back and seeing all the advancements in technology as much as seeing drivers and race craft so i cant pick a period of f1 which i can say is my favourite ! The 50's- mid 70's were in a word fucking horrible due to all the horrific deaths involved "watch the killer years "on the iplayer , The drivers were very brave but the things the gpda had to go through to get basic safety at a circut was unreal

alexno1dj

Ive just watched that today on bbc i player, yes some of those accidents were horrific, and so sad. I guess its because of them that F1 is as safe as it is today. I think Senna was the last fatal driver accident??
I do still think the late 70s and early 80s was testament to the skills of mechanics. Its still quite incredible how much power was extracted out of 1500cc back then. I think the M12 bmw engine was said to run at 1300 bhp during qualifying

Chaz888

Its an odd duality for me I grew up through the 70's-80's and have that more robust attude on life and risk ,but in motorsport it was almost careless back then , and had to change after all its entertainment , If you want old school racing and its danger's the TT is the one , over 200 deaths in over 100 years of the mountain course goulish enough for most I would say , but thats the odd thing its part of the apeal not the death but the risk the riders are willing to take for the glory of beating the course there fellow riders and Im sure in some way there own fears .

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

but imo theres a difference between dangerous and reckless and the reckless attitudes of the track owners not wantting spend money in a comon sense area to prevent deaths !

CR41G_86

i still enjoy watching it , its much better than it was 5 or 6 years ago , when the racing happened in the qualifing and the actual race was just a multi billion pound 50 odd lap parade.

the racing this season has been alot closer the variety of teams that have won proves that.

im off to silverstone in july for the british grand prix any body else goin?

Chaz888

To right Jay its like they dident give a shit for the drivers / riders of the day .

Chaz888

LOl yer think the rules are moving in the right direction an YAY Im off to silverstone myself so was going to do a thread closer to the time and offer phone number swaps by PM do you think that would work ?

It's Czech Mate

http://cliptheapex.com/community/overtaking/

Hopefully this will put to bed the overtaking myths, the 2011 and 2012 rules give more overtaking than ever

The turbo engines due wont have 'variable boost' ie like the old 'push to pass' buttons but KERS will be twice as powerful

The future is bright


Lets hope F1 doesnt follow the indycar route of trying to manage the aero effect on following cars.........fucking hideous and unnecessary