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Old 26-01-2013, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Thanks Mate, I know the fealling tbh was losing interest in mine, but Mark helped me get interested again and it's all going in the right direction now so onwards and upwards gonna get to as many showswith her as possible this year


Look forward to seeing it at the shows this year Ade, Will deffo pop over for a look and a chat if thats ok!

Great to hear you have your interest back and the Sapph soon be back on the road

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Old 26-01-2013, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sapph1
Will be good to see your car running again, one of my favourite Sapphs!!!
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Tarren
Look forward to seeing it at the shows this year Ade, Will deffo pop over for a look and a chat if thats ok!

Great to hear you have your interest back and the Sapph soon be back on the road

Tarren
Thanks mate

Have had a difficult couple of years, was close to calling it a day tbh, but my beautiful wife Mandy has talked me round and my pal Mark has given me the encouragement to get my ass into gear and make the old girl back to what she was - THE best sleeper out there, watch this space
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Thanks Steve, hoping for mid 600's on pump.
yes mate be spot on if it comes on boost anything like mine did i just got to fit my new cam this week then get mark to map it again so hopefully make a fair bit more power let me no when your going up would like to watch it mate
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No probs mate, I'll let you know Let me know when you're back on the rollers

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Does this mean Lenny will need a new gearbox any day now!?
Hehe.
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Thanks Steve, hoping for mid 600's on pump.
So it'll be less power than before Ade?
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Originally Posted by pee vee
Does this mean Lenny will need a new gearbox any day now!?
Hehe.
Let's hope not , its good to know Ade's car will be out again
Old 27-01-2013, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pee vee
Does this mean Lenny will need a new gearbox any day now!?
Hehe.
Lol, nah I'm happy with the Tremec Phil, as Rod proved it's a fit and forget part. His has been in his monster of a Cossie since 1999 and has never had a problem
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Originally Posted by JamesH
So it'll be less power than before Ade?
That's the figure Mark has predicted, but he's always on the conservative side

This turbo will not be equivilent to the GT35r in terms of out right horse power, but will have much faster spool-up and better torque He wants to change the exhaust cam for a far more aggresive one like Rod's as the twin scroll will allow this and hopefully help with increasing the torque figure

The eventual plan is to go for the EFR 9180, so we're not wringing the neck of the turbo but have some in reserve

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Old 27-01-2013, 09:51 AM
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Oh I didn't realise Len had your spare box!
Thought it was literally the box out of your car! Lol
Look forward to seeing ya at the shows again this year, Ade
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Originally Posted by pee vee
Oh I didn't realise Len had your spare box!
Thought it was literally the box out of your car! Lol
Look forward to seeing ya at the shows again this year, Ade
Len has the box I used to use (Quaife big tooth straight cut kit), but I now have a Tremec TKO600 in her. I had my old box reconditioned for Lenny as part of the deal
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
That's the figure Mark has predicted, but he's always on the conservative side

This turbo will not be equivilent to the GT35r in terms of out right horse power, but will have much faster spool-up and better torque He wants to change the exhaust cam for a far more aggresive one like Rod's as the twin scroll will allow this and hopefully help with increasing the torque figure

The eventual plan is to go for the EFR 9180, so we're not wringing the neck of the turbo but have some in reserve
im searching the net for any efr 9180 results as if the 8374 results are anything to go by they could be very promising.
if i find any il link them here if your interested.
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
im searching the net for any efr 9180 results as if the 8374 results are anything to go by they could be very promising.
if i find any il link them here if your interested.
Only one EVO graph on the net & thats over a year ago the t4 twin scroll version is simply not available at the mo. Its been comming next month for a year now so im not holding my breath. Mark thinks they will arrive soon but i was reading on the net September/October is a more likely date. I hope hes right or im in for a long wait.


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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
Only one EVO graph on the net & thats over a year ago the t4 twin scroll version is simply not available at the mo. Its been comming next month for a year now so im not holding my breath. Mark thinks they will arrive soon but i was reading on the net September/October is a more likely date. I hope hes right or im in for a long wait.

is that a 2000cc with t4 single scroll rod ?
Old 27-01-2013, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
im searching the net for any efr 9180 results as if the 8374 results are anything to go by they could be very promising.
if i find any il link them here if your interested.
Cool, thanks
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
is that a 2000cc with t4 single scroll rod ?
http://sierrasierra.com/car
2.2lt with a twin scroll T4 flange.

Mark
Old 27-01-2013, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
That's the figure Mark has predicted, but he's always on the conservative side

This turbo will not be equivilent to the GT35r in terms of out right horse power, but will have much faster spool-up and better torque He wants to change the exhaust cam for a far more aggresive one like Rod's as the twin scroll will allow this and hopefully help with increasing the torque figure

The eventual plan is to go for the EFR 9180, so we're not wringing the neck of the turbo but have some in reserve
hes hoping mine will make more power now with better inlet cam not sure on torque as i thought it made good torque before prob crack the block in half next lol
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Originally Posted by cossyking
hes hoping mine will make more power now with better inlet cam not sure on torque as i thought it made good torque before prob crack the block in half next lol
It'll make quite a bit more mate, make sure you fill up with Shell V-Power as well
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
It'll make quite a bit more mate, make sure you fill up with Shell V-Power as well
ok i will
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
http://sierrasierra.com/car
2.2lt with a twin scroll T4 flange.

Mark
do you know which exhaust housing that was on mark ?
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
do you know which exhaust housing that was on mark ?
Would have been 1.05 back then.
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
Would have been 1.05 back then.
cool thats what im looking at, the only other one i can find is the t3 0.83 a/r single scroll, are they bringing out a bigger one then rod ?
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Cool news Ade. Be sure to let me know when the RR is happening. Been a bit out of touch with MAD lot since i gave up cossie's so will be great to see you
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
cool thats what im looking at, the only other one i can find is the t3 0.83 a/r single scroll, are they bringing out a bigger one then rod ?
Yes in 2013
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Cool, thanks
ive found one on sau forum

2.0 4 cylinder Type-R Integra running pump gas with an overlay from 21psi runs done with a GT3582R (orange dotted line), EFR8374 (blue line), then EFR9180 (orange dot/dash line):





according to that is should easily match a gt40 for spool and respond quicker but flow upto 14 lb more air.
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Impressive stuff!
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
Only one EVO graph on the net & thats over a year ago the t4 twin scroll version is simply not available at the mo. Its been comming next month for a year now so im not holding my breath. Mark thinks they will arrive soon but i was reading on the net September/October is a more likely date. I hope hes right or im in for a long wait.
Is it the same story for the 8374? I was hoping they would be available in the next couple of months
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Originally Posted by cosmagedon
Is it the same story for the 8374? I was hoping they would be available in the next couple of months

They are avlailble now.

Mark
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
They are avlailble now.

Mark
ive found a supplier with 9180 t3 int wastegate housing in stock but not the t4 twin scroll ext wastegate yet.
plenty of people showing stock and ready to take my money but when pushed its "well there not actually in stock yet"
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
ive found a supplier with 9180 t3 int wastegate housing in stock but not the t4 twin scroll ext wastegate yet.
plenty of people showing stock and ready to take my money but when pushed its "well there not actually in stock yet"

Yes the T3 9180 is easy to get, its the housing that is the hold up,
Better not say anymore I may get another infraction.

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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Yeah, got every thing ready to fit mate, only have to mod the tunnel, get the pedal box out to modify for the hydraulic clutch, fit the master cylinder and reservoir, adapt the prop to fit the Tremec box, then sundries like getting a speedo cable made, and FINALLY fitting some gauges, had all of Rods instrument gauges for the last five years, so really have to get them fitted, most of them are essential for engine safety tbh. I've put it off and put it off, but realise they are a neccessity when things are right on the ragged edge....
you know where we are if you need to use the ramp mate
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
ive found a supplier with 9180 t3 int wastegate housing in stock but not the t4 twin scroll ext wastegate yet.
plenty of people showing stock and ready to take my money but when pushed its "well there not actually in stock yet"
They have been willing to take your money for over a year. Saw one on ebay was about to push the button, decided to ring & as you say it dont actually exist .
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
They are avlailble now.

Mark
Like Rod has said above though, its still not available with the t4 twin scroll housing like we discussed is it?
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Originally Posted by cosmagedon
Like Rod has said above though, its still not available with the t4 twin scroll housing like we discussed is it?
Rod is talking about 9180 the 8374 is now avl in t4 ext gates.

Mark
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
They have been willing to take your money for over a year. Saw one on ebay was about to push the button, decided to ring & as you say it dont actually exist .
why they cant adverise it as a pre order like other companys do is beyond me. i was pondering on the 8374 ext t4 but i dont think i will gain much on the gt4094r only spool and response so im gonna wait for a 9180 il let you know if i find anyone with stock.
the dynapack graph i found shows the 9180 not much later on song than a gt35 !
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Originally Posted by cossiedave
you know where we are if you need to use the ramp mate
Thanks Dave
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
the dynapack graph i found shows the 9180 not much later on song than a gt35 !
I lived with the GT35 for 5 years so I think the 9180 has to be the best route for me to take, it'll probably spool up quicker anyway with the amount of boost Mark runs

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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Me too Rick, Mark fitted a similar one to an Escos without the different compressor wheel and mapped to 1.3 bar for running in, and saw all 1.3 bar by just over 3300rpm, mine should be seeing full boost (2.6 bar) by circa 4000rpm
1.3 bar @ 3300 rpm.

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more results in this is 100% t4 1.05 a/r twin scroll efr 9180
info pasted in here

Got my new sleeved block finished up and threw in a BorgWarner EFR9180 (T4, 67mm, 94lb/min) turbo. It spools faster than my old 67mm BW 82lb/min turbo and makes much more power. At 21psi - wastegate pressure, it made 607whp. I ran 33psi on the dyno today and stopped there because my dried up 2007 STi oem tires weren't holding the car to the rollers.
2006 WRX Wagon
Benson sleeved, self built 2.5 long block
EFR9180 - 1st and only Subaru in the US to run this turbo (Thanks FULL RACE!)

after changeing his tyres and getting it to stop spinning on the rollers heres the final dynoplot apparantly at the hubs, its dynojet but either way looks impressive to me



i have watched the dyno run aswell and the run is very short theres not much load on it like a dynapack or engine dyno would make which i think makes it appear laggier than it really is.
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