rog

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Need to get some 83 lb injectors for the saph, don't say MSD as they cannot get them anymore apparently.

R4N SS

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keep an eye out for people breaking their cars - thats where mine came from

john_p_b

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tried matt lewis? generally he's either got it or knows where to get it.

James @ M Developments.

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They have not been available for a little while now, we managed to grab the last of the stock, so have had a supply for longer than most people have.

Be aware some people are selling an injector which they think is the 83lb we use, but its far from it, and if you use these with one of our chips it may cost you an engine.
I have had a few cases where they have been used with our chips already.

I guess this is what you get when you buy from people who do not know what they are selling.

We are working on a replacement as we speak.

funkyboozer

I got mine from the states in the end.

Have a look here and see if theyre the right type

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/impor...uel-injectors/

Martin-Hadland

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What injectors are they then?? And whoose passing them off as 83lb Siemens??

Racetronix have stock of 3105's according to their site.

Stu @ M Developments

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I forget the part number top of my head but James is right, there are a couple of traders in the cossie game selling "83lb blacks" injectors that are NOT substitutes for the 3105 chassis that most of us base our chips on.

Not naming names, you know thats not my style... but there is at LEAST two members on here that got stung this way, one lost his GT30 engine due to it too, so maybe they would like to tell people.

Martin-Hadland

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So these rogue injectors flow less then, well its not me thats selling them Maybe the two memebers on here should have had their cars set up properly after installing a chip and injectors.

Stu @ M Developments

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Mate, they are even multi nozzle!

Martin-Hadland

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We need a clue who it is Stu....

Matt Lewis

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as above

Martin-Hadland

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Doh, so its not you either You're not making this up are you Stu

Stu @ M Developments

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Yeah... maybe that is it.

Take care out there people... if your buying injectors to suit a chip, ensure the injectors PHYSICAL PART NUMBER is the EXACT same one as the chips supplier gives you.
If its been "removed" or "Doesnt have one" then send them back.
All injectors have part numbers. LOL

R4N SS

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should always have your car checked properly once a chip is fitted - you cannot and should not just plug a chip in and hope for the best - even if the spec is the same.

JamesH

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Take it somewhere decent for a live map and it won't matter

James @ M Developments.

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Regarding the injector type?

I think it would matter very much, if you spent Ł300 on a set of injectors, then found out that they are potentially not compatible with your engine/inlet design or ECU.
Because then you have to buy new ones that will work, in order for the mapper to complete his job.

You must share the view of the people selling them

JamesH

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Well they simply either don't fit/work, or they just flow less, which is it?

If the latter, as suggested, it won't matter in the fact that it won't melt your engine if you get it mapped.

James @ M Developments.

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I havent tested them, so cannot coment on how they work
but how would you guess the spray formation of the multi nozzle will work on a YB inlet/head? are they the correct resistance?

They may fit and run, but thats far from meaning they are suitable.

Stu @ M Developments

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Really? Its obvious that you have not tried various multi nozzle injectors in a YB to see what happens, and thats aside from the fact the injectors coil impedance may be wrong for the ECU you own, and you cant map round that either. LOL.

With all due respect, perhaps you shouldnt advise people upon it until you have as you are in this case very wrong... James has touched upon why, and he has never even tried. Unlike myself who has tried a lot of them.

JamesH

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And on similar logic, if you've not tested them, how do you know?

James @ M Developments.

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Has the person selling them tested them? Becuse the reports i have seen so far suggest they dont work very well at all.

Its a very risky game, and certainly not one i would be involved in.

The customers certainly were not advised that they were a newer injector that may not work well

JamesH

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All my comment suggests, is that if you take your car to someone who knows what they're doing, then your engine won't melt - which was the suggested outcome.

JamesH

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Then surely it's in the interest for people to know who's selling them!!!

James @ M Developments.

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no, you said it wouldnt matter.

Which if the injectors are not suitable, it would. Very much.

it may not melt, but it may drive horribly, damage the ecu, spray into the inlet wall, who knows?

JamesH

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Won't matter in the fact it won't melt your engine, if you have it setup. You've assumed I meant it won't matter, in the way you won't get enough fuel or whatever else

Stu @ M Developments

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You got that, from this comment?

I am saying its not at all that simple at all. They will work, and drive well, and maybe even flow a lot more and still melt the engine.

dave cos4x4

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should be named really to stop someones engine from getting destroyed.

James @ M Developments.

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it would still matter to me, if i purchased a set of injectors, then found they didnt work.

i`d be very happy my engine wasnt dead, but still a little upset i`d wasted Ł300 on a set of injectors that were not suited to my engine.

All we are saying is BE CAREFULL, and check part numbers dont take someones word for it.

Stu @ M Developments

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Anyway... Ran has given the only usefull answer to the OP on this topic, check the cars breaking and used parts for sale as at the moment I dont think many people have the original 83s.

If you are having it mapped live, just call up your mapper and have them supply something they want to use. Job done.

JamesH

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So what exactly is the deal with them?

Then as said, people should know IMO.

Martin-Hadland

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Stu have you tried the multi nozzle Seimens high imp injectors that you have on your site on a YB since I last spoke to you?? If so what was the result??

Stu @ M Developments

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Told you, we dont get involved. There is no need for people to know who these cases involve, its just mud slinging and it does nobody any good.

At the end of the day its no different to someone putting some green VW Golf injectors in a YB mapped for green 803s. Its the end users fault for not realising that the PART NUMBER is what is crucial, not its name, colour or flow rate.

James just mentioned you should beware, as some people would be trusted to just supply you what you want, without you actually specifying a part number. Chances are, this chap and lady may both just have just said to the YB parts supplier "I need a set of 83lb injectors please" well that is what they got in reality... so they did no wrong, even if we all know damn well he should have checked they werent for a cossie following some pretty standard routine tuning.

Stu @ M Developments

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No mate, we dont see may YB's on aftermarket.
Put plenty in other stuff though, great injectors.

Chip

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Not sure why James90RS got so jumped on there, I read his original post as meaning if you are getting your car setup properly then you dont risk killing your engine even if the injectors are wrong as the person setting it up will AFR and Det check it etc, ie it wont matter in terms of "losing a gt30 engine" etc.

Good advice from stu about PART NUMBERS being the key thing though not bloody colour etc!

JamesH

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I didn't mean who's car, I meant who's selling them

Martin-Hadland

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I fitted a set of them to my 500 and they've been great

Chip

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Stu's point is that people selling them shouldnt be "named and shamed" as all they are doing is selling siemens 83lb injectors and saying they are siemens 83lb injectors, which isnt actually doing anything wrong.
Its the customers who are assuming that means its the same injector that they want despite other differences.

JamesH

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Precisely what I meant Chip, gave up arguing the toss, just seems to have been interperated differently

JamesH

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I can see the point, but sometimes it can just lead to people guessing and making assumptions to who's selling them etc, which can be worse.

How are these different to the rest then?

Martin-Hadland

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I think the point is... If this mysterious person is in the Cossy game then its a bit unfair selling someone high imp (or whatever they're selling) 83lb inj to a customer who is 90% likely to really be needing low imp on the other hand if this mystery man is an injector seller then its up to the person ordering them to make sure they're correct for their application.