New MOT Requirements
05-01-2012, 09:58 AM
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How do they know it had one as standard though? its not as simple as "they all did" like the petrol variants.
The actual mot tester has no point of reference to say what did and what did not have a cat fitted from the factory, so he has to guess.
lol.
Its the same scenario with the exhaust noise, the testers have no equipment to test the actual volume,
they have to guess if it is louder than a standard car.
My arguement was always, what if they have not seen one of this make and model before? guess?
lol.
Its all typical Vosa style, make rules that they cannot, or dont allow people to correctly enforce. And then say " well if theres a doubt just pass it"
The actual mot tester has no point of reference to say what did and what did not have a cat fitted from the factory, so he has to guess.
lol.
Its the same scenario with the exhaust noise, the testers have no equipment to test the actual volume,
they have to guess if it is louder than a standard car.
My arguement was always, what if they have not seen one of this make and model before? guess?
lol.
Its all typical Vosa style, make rules that they cannot, or dont allow people to correctly enforce. And then say " well if theres a doubt just pass it"
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05-01-2012, 10:19 AM
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That was the case, but for the 'new' MoT regulations it must have a cat if one was fitted as standard. You can view the proposed new regs here... Everything that's got a black line in front of it is new or revised.
Method of inspection
3. On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emmissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter
Reason for fail
3. A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard.
If your going to argue, and post the manual to back you up, at least read the bloody thing properly
05-01-2012, 10:45 AM
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Method of inspection
3. On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emmissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter
Reason for fail
3. A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard.
If your going to argue, and post the manual to back you up, at least read the bloody thing properly
Method of inspection
3. On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emmissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter
Reason for fail
3. A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard.
If your going to argue, and post the manual to back you up, at least read the bloody thing properly
Lots of people decat their cars by smashing the valuable insides out and weighing them in, then putting the empty shell back on.
Unless the tester takes the cat off and looks into it, how is he going to know?
Likewise if I point at a silencer and say "thats my cat" how can he prove it isnt?
05-01-2012, 11:58 AM
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How do they know if a cat is fitted or not though?
Lots of people decat their cars by smashing the valuable insides out and weighing them in, then putting the empty shell back on.
Unless the tester takes the cat off and looks into it, how is he going to know?
Likewise if I point at a silencer and say "thats my cat" how can he prove it isnt?
Lots of people decat their cars by smashing the valuable insides out and weighing them in, then putting the empty shell back on.
Unless the tester takes the cat off and looks into it, how is he going to know?
Likewise if I point at a silencer and say "thats my cat" how can he prove it isnt?
05-01-2012, 12:05 PM
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Certain cars don't require a cat test even with cats fitted I.e suzuki's up to 2002 iirc?Obviously some can use a de-cat test,rovers up to 96 get away with that.
I had a lad fail an escort cab as it was borderline until I noticed it was j reg and therefore precat testable as it's a changeover year and no cat fitted anyway.
As for the new changes I think a lot of it's to stop these fucking cut spring stretched tyre wankers that spray their cars rattle can black.
It's like anything else,certain testers are by the book,certain ones aren't.
I've had cars fail on a loose battery before when it's not even part of the test,then the same testers passed a car where a fog lamp switch was fitted but not lighting up properly.
They do a lot of tests a day and often things get overlooked.
Wouldn't lose any sleep over it personally.
I had a lad fail an escort cab as it was borderline until I noticed it was j reg and therefore precat testable as it's a changeover year and no cat fitted anyway.
As for the new changes I think a lot of it's to stop these fucking cut spring stretched tyre wankers that spray their cars rattle can black.
It's like anything else,certain testers are by the book,certain ones aren't.
I've had cars fail on a loose battery before when it's not even part of the test,then the same testers passed a car where a fog lamp switch was fitted but not lighting up properly.
They do a lot of tests a day and often things get overlooked.
Wouldn't lose any sleep over it personally.
05-01-2012, 12:42 PM
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Well guys i hope your car test does not turn out to be the same as are one over here very hard to get a car with any mods passed ,I Have read all the changes being made in the links and would have to say it is going to be very similar to the irish test run by a spanish company applus nct test,i had a impreza type r v-limited fail due to having no e mark on the side rear windows which on the jap import's they are not marked but on the uk prodrive p1 they are, had to get subaru ireland to email the nct on the matter as they wanted to see new rear quarter windows with emarks on them fitted for it to pass and i could go on about other stupid fails etc,i can see over here with us that any modified car in the next few years will not be fit for the test and others think the same to,so i would not be thinking things will be alright mine will pass we all said that over here but every year they add more to the fail list,
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05-01-2012, 02:02 PM
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A lot of the rubbish about what a car is going to fail on is down to misinterpretation. It's knowing the difference between "helping your uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack-off a horse".
When it says 'if' a certain part is fitted it must work, it does not mean this part 'must' be fitted.
Another thing to realise is that a failure has to be proven, either by measurement (for example tyre tread depth) or by it not operating (such as a bulb). A lot of things are down to the tester's discretion. He (or she!) can refuse to test the vehicle if they think it is too dirty, so make an effort next time!
Now as for the rally car questions, surely most rally cars should have failed in the first place? No mechanically operated hand brake is the usual suspect! Rally car owners tend to know a 'rally car friendly' MOT tester
When it says 'if' a certain part is fitted it must work, it does not mean this part 'must' be fitted.
Another thing to realise is that a failure has to be proven, either by measurement (for example tyre tread depth) or by it not operating (such as a bulb). A lot of things are down to the tester's discretion. He (or she!) can refuse to test the vehicle if they think it is too dirty, so make an effort next time!
Now as for the rally car questions, surely most rally cars should have failed in the first place? No mechanically operated hand brake is the usual suspect! Rally car owners tend to know a 'rally car friendly' MOT tester
05-01-2012, 02:10 PM
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Method of inspection
3. On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emmissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter
Reason for fail
3. A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard.
If your going to argue, and post the manual to back you up, at least read the bloody thing properly
Method of inspection
3. On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emmissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter
Reason for fail
3. A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard.
If your going to argue, and post the manual to back you up, at least read the bloody thing properly
05-01-2012, 02:21 PM
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05-01-2012, 03:39 PM
#55
A lot of the rubbish about what a car is going to fail on is down to misinterpretation. It's knowing the difference between "helping your uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack-off a horse".
When it says 'if' a certain part is fitted it must work, it does not mean this part 'must' be fitted.
Another thing to realise is that a failure has to be proven, either by measurement (for example tyre tread depth) or by it not operating (such as a bulb). A lot of things are down to the tester's discretion. He (or she!) can refuse to test the vehicle if they think it is too dirty, so make an effort next time!
Now as for the rally car questions, surely most rally cars should have failed in the first place? No mechanically operated hand brake is the usual suspect! Rally car owners tend to know a 'rally car friendly' MOT tester
When it says 'if' a certain part is fitted it must work, it does not mean this part 'must' be fitted.
Another thing to realise is that a failure has to be proven, either by measurement (for example tyre tread depth) or by it not operating (such as a bulb). A lot of things are down to the tester's discretion. He (or she!) can refuse to test the vehicle if they think it is too dirty, so make an effort next time!
Now as for the rally car questions, surely most rally cars should have failed in the first place? No mechanically operated hand brake is the usual suspect! Rally car owners tend to know a 'rally car friendly' MOT tester
05-01-2012, 03:48 PM
#56
How do they know it had one as standard though? its not as simple as "they all did" like the petrol variants.
The actual mot tester has no point of reference to say what did and what did not have a cat fitted from the factory, so he has to guess.
lol.
Its the same scenario with the exhaust noise, the testers have no equipment to test the actual volume,
they have to guess if it is louder than a standard car.
My arguement was always, what if they have not seen one of this make and model before? guess?
lol.
Its all typical Vosa style, make rules that they cannot, or dont allow people to correctly enforce. And then say " well if theres a doubt just pass it"
The actual mot tester has no point of reference to say what did and what did not have a cat fitted from the factory, so he has to guess.
lol.
Its the same scenario with the exhaust noise, the testers have no equipment to test the actual volume,
they have to guess if it is louder than a standard car.
My arguement was always, what if they have not seen one of this make and model before? guess?
lol.
Its all typical Vosa style, make rules that they cannot, or dont allow people to correctly enforce. And then say " well if theres a doubt just pass it"
what about kit cars?? one make can in theory have hundreds of different engine combinations.
The exhaust stuff is all bollocks. Construction and use regs incorporated into the IVA says 99db, old SVA was 101db, older had no limits. So there are multiple standards in force for "construction and use" regulations to allow a car on the road, so how can they have 1 standard for an MoT???
And then there is kit conversions, rebuilt cars, radically altered vehicles, all of which can legitimately carry a production car V5 and appear to be based on a production car yet again have been legally authorised as fit for the roads having been re-registered or inspected via DVLA.... yet how does an MoT man deal with those???
I think long term a good solution for modified cars is for people to get them through the IVA test as radically altered vehicles (especially cossie conversions etc) and then the Mot and vosa men cant touch you as the car has been certified when passing the test as meeting the legal requirements to be registered on the road and safe to be on the road until its "first" MoT.
The MoT man then has NO legal reference to refer to except your car as its unique.
05-01-2012, 07:17 PM
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exactly...
what about kit cars?? one make can in theory have hundreds of different engine combinations.
The exhaust stuff is all bollocks. Construction and use regs incorporated into the IVA says 99db, old SVA was 101db, older had no limits. So there are multiple standards in force for "construction and use" regulations to allow a car on the road, so how can they have 1 standard for an MoT???
And then there is kit conversions, rebuilt cars, radically altered vehicles, all of which can legitimately carry a production car V5 and appear to be based on a production car yet again have been legally authorised as fit for the roads having been re-registered or inspected via DVLA.... yet how does an MoT man deal with those???
I think long term a good solution for modified cars is for people to get them through the IVA test as radically altered vehicles (especially cossie conversions etc) and then the Mot and vosa men cant touch you as the car has been certified when passing the test as meeting the legal requirements to be registered on the road and safe to be on the road until its "first" MoT.
The MoT man then has NO legal reference to refer to except your car as its unique.
what about kit cars?? one make can in theory have hundreds of different engine combinations.
The exhaust stuff is all bollocks. Construction and use regs incorporated into the IVA says 99db, old SVA was 101db, older had no limits. So there are multiple standards in force for "construction and use" regulations to allow a car on the road, so how can they have 1 standard for an MoT???
And then there is kit conversions, rebuilt cars, radically altered vehicles, all of which can legitimately carry a production car V5 and appear to be based on a production car yet again have been legally authorised as fit for the roads having been re-registered or inspected via DVLA.... yet how does an MoT man deal with those???
I think long term a good solution for modified cars is for people to get them through the IVA test as radically altered vehicles (especially cossie conversions etc) and then the Mot and vosa men cant touch you as the car has been certified when passing the test as meeting the legal requirements to be registered on the road and safe to be on the road until its "first" MoT.
The MoT man then has NO legal reference to refer to except your car as its unique.
This man has his head screwed on!
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