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Old 19-12-2011, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by andy escos
but when its over £100 cheaper who cares

The people who spent the time developing it and the castings,
I am glad I dont make stuff like that as I for one would not be happy.

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Old 19-12-2011, 05:05 PM
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I think they are also going to be doing a copy of the Spec-R intercooler

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Old 19-12-2011, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i_
I think they are also going to be doing a copy of the Spec-R intercooler

Steve

Yes I have heard that but as they dont use the same core it will not be as good.

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Old 19-12-2011, 05:15 PM
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I agree with marks point. Its not like the original manufacturer is some big corporate rip off giant who wont notice the loss, but is a much smaller company who could well be damaged by it.

Im surprised no legal action is being bought against airtec as it is a blatent copy, not even just similar style but copy.
Old 19-12-2011, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver
I agree with marks point. Its not like the original manufacturer is some big corporate rip off giant who wont notice the loss, but is a much smaller company who could well be damaged by it.

Im surprised no legal action is being bought against airtec as it is a blatent copy, not even just similar style but copy.

So is everything airtec make.

There twin pass s2 intercooler was based on a GRS kit.

There new single pass s2 intercooler is based on a pro alloy kit.

There mk1 focus rs kit was a copy of the pro alloy/rad tec kit.

There products work extremly well, often better than the "real thing".

They also have a copy of the cosworth duratec inlet manifold.

I would happily use them on my car.
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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver
I agree with marks point. Its not like the original manufacturer is some big corporate rip off giant who wont notice the loss, but is a much smaller company who could well be damaged by it.

Im surprised no legal action is being bought against airtec as it is a blatent copy, not even just similar style but copy.
I do agree with you, but shouldn't the company that designed the Hart inlet put a Patent on it to stop this happening ?

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Originally Posted by Mad Matt
Just for the record they are not ready to release drawings or CAD model of their manifold (as I expected but I hoped they would hehe).
Unless it is licenced it's not their manifold.

They may have stolen Hart's reasearch and development and copied it, with luck they will get taken to the cleaners in court.

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Old 19-12-2011, 06:13 PM
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Just ordered one today,will be with me wed,as for copying mark how many ppl go to a motor factor and buy none oe parts,it,s just the same,if they didnt want the hart plenium copied they should of copy righted it,how many ppl have copied maps over the years,,i could go on and on and on,it,s just life these days

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The Hart plenum was based on a mis inlet anyway was it not?
Old 19-12-2011, 07:20 PM
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Also when different company's make a "Swedish" plenum who copy's who?
Old 19-12-2011, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i_
I do agree with you, but shouldn't the company that designed the Hart inlet put a Patent on it to stop this happening ?
i agree, but morally its still wrong to thieve some one elses work and sell it on as your own.
Originally Posted by RONNIE AMIS
Also when different company's make a "Swedish" plenum who copy's who?
most of those plenums generally just follow a log plenum shape rather than being completely identical.

the airtec plenum appears to be 100% identical except for the "airtec" logo.
Old 19-12-2011, 08:13 PM
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i thought the hart inlet was much more expsenive than that!
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Originally Posted by mark r
i thought the hart inlet was much more expsenive than that!
The Hart one is, this is a copy.

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Old 19-12-2011, 08:24 PM
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Roy informed me today that there are diffrences oh and it worked out more than £100 cheaper,and that was delivered

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Old 19-12-2011, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i_
The Hart one is, this is a copy.

Steve
With probably a better casting
Old 19-12-2011, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i_
The Hart one is, this is a copy.

Steve
Stop bitching and get one of there pas hoses so you can get yours fitted and we can see the results

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Old 19-12-2011, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RONNIE AMIS
Also when different company's make a "Swedish" plenum who copy's who?

TG racing was the first Swedish maker all the others are copies.

Mark
Old 19-12-2011, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by STUCOS
Roy informed me today that there are diffrences oh and it worked out more than £100 cheaper,and that was delivered

cheeRS stu
Lets see the diff.

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Old 19-12-2011, 08:42 PM
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got to make them a bit different so not to infringe the copyrite.
Old 19-12-2011, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dave cos4x4
got to make them a bit different so not to infringe the copyrite.
it has "auto specialists" cast into it, I'm, quite sure the Hart one doesn't have that feature
Old 19-12-2011, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
it has "auto specialists" cast into it, I'm, quite sure the Hart one doesn't have that feature


Old 19-12-2011, 10:24 PM
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It amazes me how a company that thinks it's great has to COPY someone elses parts they must be so fucking clever there brain stopped working on that day. And I bet there is fuck all different about them, as for patenting something , it's a lot of cash for little protection but that when ip rights come in and if i am correct the ip rights on the hart plenium ( which are a right which is automatic when you have sold a product so I am told ) so with that in place there maybe a case for the hart plenium to fuck over the very unimaginative airtec plenium which I hope it does as airtec done sod all work towards the development of the hart one, it amaze how they think there so clever , and it will be cheaper as they aint done no research Coz they theived someone elses hard work
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As you read this post there is lots of bits people are saying airtec are COPYING so that must just confirm that they can't think for them selfs and have no imagination , the thing I find funny about all this is the only things they do that look good are the things they COPYED of other people
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Cant belive your all bitching about a product being copied ffs thats just business.. When you go down to currys and look at the tv's whats that actual diffrences between each make? How about all the tuners that made
It big in the cosworth mapping scene by ripoing of fords software and altering it slightly and then passing it
Of as there own.. Granted there was some reserch/ trial and error involved but its
Not like anyone started with a blank map..Auto specialists have been very clever to find the gap that people want.. Copy a product and maybe alter it slightly,remanafacture it at a lower cost and sell it to those who want to save money.. Its pure genius especially in this economy! The funny thing is that it will
More than likly performe better than the hart inlet
Old 19-12-2011, 11:12 PM
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Auto specialist have simply got it sorted in the market place where others fail, the same reason MSD are more successful than its competition they market the products they sell well and sell them in the bucket load - may not be right but.....
Old 20-12-2011, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Yes I have heard that but as they dont use the same core it will not be as good.

Mark
How very blinkered
Old 20-12-2011, 08:21 AM
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How can you say they have found a gap in the Market all they have done is looked at what is selling and said fuck it I will copy someone elses hard work and under cut them , which makes it shit for the person that designed it , and as for ford being copyed I'm sure if they felt they had then they would sue, and they prob have sued a few company's in the past that we don't know of because we don't need to know , and as for people saying why are people going on about it being a copy and it being out of order , well coz it fucking is and that why so more small company's fall at the way side , just open your eyes and see it for what it is , a fucking copy
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I never said it wasnt a copy but the truth of the fact is if it rproduces the figures and is £120 quid cheaper people are going to buy it.. Thats how they have found the gap in the market
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Maybe my comment was over looked but wasnt the hart inlet based on a MIS inlet anyway???

So to be fair its six of one and half a dosen of the other any way...
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Originally Posted by Mad Matt
Just for the record they are not ready to release drawings or CAD model of their manifold (as I expected but I hoped they would hehe).
why would they give their CAD drawings mate - i defo wouldnt.

You have been after CAD drawings for ages for your school project.
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
Cant belive your all bitching about a product being copied ffs thats just business.. When you go down to currys and look at the tv's whats that actual diffrences between each make? How about all the tuners that made
It big in the cosworth mapping scene by ripoing of fords software and altering it slightly and then passing it
Of as there own.. Granted there was some reserch/ trial and error involved but its
Not like anyone started with a blank map..Auto specialists have been very clever to find the gap that people want.. Copy a product and maybe alter it slightly,remanafacture it at a lower cost and sell it to those who want to save money.. Its pure genius especially in this economy! The funny thing is that it will
More than likly performe better than the hart inlet
Old 20-12-2011, 09:07 AM
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Fucking good on them I say.
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I'm lead to beleave it is made by the same ppl who make the hart plenium
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Originally Posted by STUCOS
I'm lead to beleave it is made by the same ppl who make the hart plenium
I was under the same impression the cast comes from the same company whether it's a Hart or a Airtec.
Rich
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so did the Hart Plenum makers have this product patented - if not then they have no grounds to complain and moan as its their fault for not protecting their product.
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Lol its almost impossible to protect a product like this.. The slightest change makes it a diffrent product.
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve
Stop bitching and get one of there pas hoses so you can get yours fitted and we can see the results

Steve
Im not sure it would fit as the ST TB is different to a standard TB.

I will sort it after christmas

Steve
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
Lol its almost impossible to protect a product like this.. The slightest change makes it a diffrent product.
It's not a copy then, it's similar BIG difference
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Yhep just like everycar is similar but not the same
Old 20-12-2011, 11:17 AM
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The hart plenium don't look anything like the mis one .
The people behind hart pleniums are not doing them for airtec .
Patent are on the idea and sometimes it's safer not to patent ie wd40 as you have to disclose a lot of stuff for all to see but you will prob find that interlectural property right (ipr) cover something like this as time will tell


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