pani_k

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It seems similar cars in its range like Leons, Golfs and dare I say it a few Astras of similar age, mileage and spec seem to be holding their value a lot better and fetch anything up to £1000 more than an equivalent Focus. Even smaller cars with smaller engines are worth more And even some cars with a poorer spec, higher mileage and smaller engined fetch the same money as a larger engined, better specced and lower mileage Focus?

Baffles me why the MK1 Focus has become worthless nowadays.

st220kyle

fewer people want bigger cars nowadays due to higher running costs i guess, same story with a mondeo, smaller cars do seem to hold there value better, i always thought they held their value well???

12340987

Your looking around a grand for a decent focus mk1 with good tax and test in fair condition, but you can pick up a mondeo of the same age mileage and amount of t and t for around £350.. been offered £1500 for my ESP but its immaculate on a 2001 reg

doctor stavros

There are far more Mk1 Focus' on the roads, with loads of variants and they have depreciated far quicker. Just like the classic Impreza, there were so many different models available that none of them retained their value (except coupe variants)

The Mk1 Focus was (maybe still is) the best selling second hand car on the road

Mr RS500

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Its simple

People have finaly realised that the modern jap cars are much better value for money than the Fords

They now refuse to pay silly money for a pretty low spec focus when you can buy an evo / scooby for a lot less ,hence why the focus is now only fetching the same money as its jap equivelant

weegaz22

sign of the times, more demand for economical cars due to fuel prices, people commuting more away from where they live so fuel comes into monthly budget.

when i passed my test petrol was 60 something pence a litre....and i'm only 31
, its quite a piss rip now, thats why i dont have any performance cars now, simply cant afford them at the mo

It's Czech Mate

Utter tripe, look at new car sales and see how many focus get sold

Second hand prices follow this...its very very basic supply and demand, more new focus's sell so there are more available second hand

Second hand car markets are very fluid and as we know Price is dictated by demand and supply. Demand is constant, there are still the same ( if not more!) people buying second hand these days and the supply of 2nd hand focus of x years old is way more than the supply of the the other cars the OP is commenting on

As if a boggo scooby is a better car to run than a focus Shit interior, and gas guzzling. Just what we all want Hence they dont sell any new ones in any volume

It's Czech Mate

OP doesnt mention performance cars?

1.9 xr2 on 40's

i disagree i dont think anyone in the market for a focus would buy a sub or evo or even want one

focuses are cheap because there are soooo many my mums mp3 focus was 2500 and a same year golds was 4k (and the golf still hasnt dropped much!!) but a golf seems timeless and a focus is aging badly, newer models which are totally different make them age worse (mk5 golfs wernt that far off a mk4)

focus on ebay cars (no dates set) 9700
golf '' '' 5800
astra 9000 but there are mot/taxed 99 cars for under 400 same as focussssses

conversly there are only 6000 fiestas but then there are more years of fiesta and being low tax on 80% of mk4/5s ite always a winner


modeo 4000 odd but every single one is higher rate tax and its automatically rulled out for wives school run cars and cheapies for most due to running costs and scare stories (most of which are true) a clutch will usually scrap a 8/10 year old mondeo



its all abotu its uses cos most 2000 trannies (1st new shape) will still do over 2k is its a nice one without moon miles (similar ot a focus trying for a grand price tag)

they just took over from the escort and a cheap as hell runabout

Big Will_

The Mk1/1.5 Focus was the highest volume selling hatchback around the turn of the millenium/few years afterwards as I remember.

As I see it, the HUGE numbers of cars that were sold now mean that there are a HUGE number of them up for sale which makes it a buyers market as for the same price you can buy a car with a higher spec, so the lower spec car gets priced lower to sell and et voila, the whole market devalues.

Mr RS500

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Basicly exactly what i said , But even tho i sell cars for my living i dont know shit

weegaz22

I know he didn't, but haven't you noticed they are getting sold cheap/not selling because no one wants the running costs with one with all the other bils like petrol, gas, food, mortgage, etc going up too, hence why i said don't run one now, a roof over my head amd food in my belly is more important.

dvid

I know what you mean, I have a Mk1 focus 1.8 that is about to be for sale, in the last 6 months its had 4 new tyres, a clutch, discs and pads all round and a new back box, yet I suspect I'll be lucky to get £1000 for it, even with a brand new MOT and 4 months tax...
Ultimately I have (perhaps foolishly) spent about £500 on a car that's not worth a whole lot more than that!

massivewangers

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The MK1 Focus is an old car now. Even the youngest examples are six years old, with early cars being 13 years old. They made huge numbers of them, so they're worth nothing now, just like Escorts were when they got to that sort of age.

Golfs are more expensive because people seem to think they're staggeringly better so are willing to pay more for them. I'm not entirely sure why if I'm honest, as the MK4 Golf was hardly a wonder of automotive engineering.

It's Czech Mate

I don't like ice cream.

That's nothing to do with the op either

It's Czech Mate

No you didn't, you said folk switching to the jap equivalent was the answer to th op of why a focus isn't worth much

It isn't. It's the sheer number available

phil_rs

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I agree! A 1.4 focus mk1 feels more planted on the road than a golf mk4 1.8 turbo gti. Luckily they improved the mk5 vastly in the chassis department

1.9 xr2 on 40's

as a seat leon (mk4 golf) owner (not that we use it now) when i drove my mum to buy her focus and its a different level, her focus is cheap and nasty inside my leon is no rattl epropperly built car, her focus creaks with every touch

a mk4 golf is a better built car but of course that comes at a price and also gives a better impression

i didnt buy my leon for that, i figured it was a good idea but it wasnt poor fuel ecconomy poor reliability (tho thats just the coil packs being dicks even new ones) and while it was very fast (210 mapped) we now have a 1.6 scenic using half the fuel, half the insurance and it doesnt go wrong (wood grabbed) wife is happier and we save that money in the bank every month

rstdave

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As already said i think, not exactly what you said at all or at least certainly not how i read it lol!
Seemed to me that you were pointing the finger at focus rs mk1's tbh rather than the focus as a whole, in which case you'd probably know how much most hot hatches of the same age/price range seem to have dropped in price over the last 12 months or so, which imo isn't solely down to the fact that people have all of a sudden realised they'd rather have a jap car over one?!

Mr RS500

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I think you need to go back and read what i worte

I said that people are now buying jap cars rather than lower spec fords ( ie, you get more spec for your pound with jap cars )

isnt that basicly what Wil also said

where did i mention the RS ?

Typical PF , somone asks a simple question and gets a simple answer yet others jump on and dont read answers correctly , lol

1.9 xr2 on 40's

typical pf you made a post then used the rest of the thread to argue about it

pani_k

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For a bit more clarification take a 1.6 or 1.8 Focus on an 03 plate Zetec or Ghia spec which means all the toys and say 60,000 miles. You will find that you may get something like a Corsa, Fiesta, Polo with a smaller engine and next to no toys or a higher mileage not as well specced Golf, Astra, Leon etc for the same price. A friend of mine has a Golf same age as mine slightly lower mileage and disregarding all the mods on mine standard vs standard the Golf would fetch a good few hundred quid even nearing £1000 more than mine which I find confusing why the MK1 Focus has lost all its value compared to similar sized cars and its price is comparable with smaller cars and similar cars that have more miles and lower spec.

rstdave

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Lol, i can read perfectly well thanks.....you mentioned lower spec focus's and then compared them to evo's and scoobys??!!!
How on earth did you come to comparing a base model focus to an evo, surely the only focus comparable would be the rs (hence my reply)?
How about you just admit what you wrote was wrong/out of context instead of making out everyone else has read your post wrong and that you'd written the same as will LOL.

massivewangers

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As we said, the Focus is just a lot more common, so the market is saturated compared to cars like the Golf, of which there are fewer.

There's also a lot of snobbery still, so people think Golfs are better, so they hold their value more. Whether they are better is very much up for debate of course.

Mr RS500

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Then please quote where i mentioned RS


I never wrote one single word WRONG mate

I think you will find its YOU who is in the wrong I simply stated that the modern jap cars are much better value for money , the same as Wil did

Infact please look at my first reply again , I even state quite clearly " low spec " correct me if i am wrong but the RS is in the " top spec " of the Focus range

I leave you to try and dig yourself out of this AGAIN ,

Why do i bother on here , lol

I think you assumed i was talking about the RS and so got it wrong , Having said that as i used the scooby and evo i can understand why you maybee thought i was talking RS

Hey its only the internet who realy cares , the facts still remain the same if we are talking RS or base model , The jap cars are still now much better value than fords as you do seem to get a much better spec for your pound in all areas , IE RS against STI / ets or base model against base model

rstdave

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Dig myself out again pmsl, yeah ok....noticed you had to edit your post after the first slaying, once you'd realised how badly you'd worded your first post, and i wasn't the only one to spot it was i.
As you say it's only the internet but you seem to take it SO personally that you might have actually worded something wrong (god forbid).
You're spot on now as to why i thought you were comparing the rs model to evo's so will leave it at that

Mr RS500

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I word plenty of things wrong on here , Im human like everyone else

I never took it personaly at all , I simply was told i was wrong when infact i wasnt wrong at all so i just simply wanted to defend myself when told i was wrong

massivewangers

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Will you pair get a room

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

There is only one way to sort this out






,,,FFFIIIIGGGGHHHHHHHHHHTTT ,,,,,

first_cosworth

I don't agree with the statement saying that more people are buying more jap cars than the focus,the focus is the 3rd most popular used car behind the 3 series and the golf.

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

I never knew they had tbh and thought they held there value well against rivals, I know you can pick the older ones up for pretty cheap, but then there are alot of dogs out there!

In fact Parkers said on there review that "Supply and demand keep prices high". But it's as said the MK 2/MK3 models have been born since and due to the volume of them I guess thats why the price difference is.

The Focus replaced the Escort only by name, Ford really turned the corner when they made the Focus in terms of build quality/handling with that "Control Blade" suspension. Even today it's still the class leader.

As to the Golf, well all I can say is I have the Auto Express magazine from 98 when they were new, it was then placed in a shoot out with the then new Golf, Astra, Megane Rover 200, Peugeot 306 etc and it beat every single one hands down, leading to the title "Best hatchback"

Like most Ford's it's also bigger and more spacious then it's rivals!

Martin

first_cosworth

The only thing i would believe from parkers is the price and date on the cover.

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

So why is the Focus worth pennies then ?

dojj

iTrader: (3)

people seem to set their prices based on what the company is doing, so if golfs hold their values, it's not because they are good cars, they are simply priced higher

if mike brewer can get the best part of 25% knocked off of every car he goes to look at, i can't see why everyones else is struggling to be honest

first_cosworth

Are you not in the trade?

RS Grant

iTrader: (1)

I'd rather have a Focus 1.8/2.0 than an Impreza 2.0 Sport... don't care how common the Ford is, the older non-performance Subarus and Mitsubishis are pretty boring shitty places to be and don't handle as well as a run of the mill Focus.


Cheers,
Grant

Bailes1992

It's simple to be honest.

Focus is a great car, so theres lots of them.
More cars = More to choose from so the prices have to gradually come down so people will buy them.
Then over time they come lower and lower until they are as cheap as they are now.

12340987

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmx2e9FN8B4

martysmartie

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LOL video basically mirrors everything I have said then!

Martin

Bailes1992

Love what he says about interior quality

The interior is just a slab of grey plastic with a different coloured bit of plastic just shoved in the middle
No quality anywhere