London Emission Zone
15-11-2011, 01:54 PM
#41
i was looking for this one as i realised my goof 
the figures used to be different though before this round, but at least you can be happy that old red ken didn't ramp up the bills again, apparently there is a £300,000,000 bill coming from europe if the air quality in london isn't up to scratch
the figures used to be different though before this round, but at least you can be happy that old red ken didn't ramp up the bills again, apparently there is a £300,000,000 bill coming from europe if the air quality in london isn't up to scratch
15-11-2011, 04:11 PM
#42
Some smiley faced transits are now lez zone compliant, as quite a few people with the early mk6's complained that there vans where compliant as the they had the same engine as the compliant 2002 on vans, so with the help of ford all mk6 vans are now compliants that were registered after 2000, dvla now think all transits after 2000 are compliant even though some were late registered smiley faced ones so if you have a late reg mk5 check the lez zone site to check your van before doing anything.
Also fitting a petrol engine makes them compliant even though they arent as economical as the diesel, but saying that with the difference in price between petrol and diesel it doesnt make that much of a difference.
Hopefully that all made sense.
oh and on a seperate note mk6 transits wont be compliant after 2015 if i remember reading it right, so people who have bought a mk6 to upgrade from a mk5 will have to do the same in a few years time.
Also fitting a petrol engine makes them compliant even though they arent as economical as the diesel, but saying that with the difference in price between petrol and diesel it doesnt make that much of a difference.
Hopefully that all made sense.
oh and on a seperate note mk6 transits wont be compliant after 2015 if i remember reading it right, so people who have bought a mk6 to upgrade from a mk5 will have to do the same in a few years time.
Should i just ring them? lol
15-11-2011, 05:23 PM
#43
i was looking for this one as i realised my goof
the figures used to be different though before this round, but at least you can be happy that old red ken didn't ramp up the bills again, apparently there is a £300,000,000 bill coming from europe if the air quality in london isn't up to scratch
the figures used to be different though before this round, but at least you can be happy that old red ken didn't ramp up the bills again, apparently there is a £300,000,000 bill coming from europe if the air quality in london isn't up to scratch
What are they doing with all the dirty stinking taxi's and buses ? Or is everyone ditching diesel in favour of petrol ?
15-11-2011, 05:31 PM
#44
The site will tell you if compliant or not and if it says no - then as far as DVLA etc are concerned it isn't. This emissions is a load of crap. I know tens of hauliers who are coming to me saying their rig is perfectly sound to use and they don't want to get rid of it but they either have to get a Euro 5 or get an Eminox, and I'm having to work with them to get it sorted.
15-11-2011, 05:34 PM
#46
and most buses in london are new or nearly new so will pass the emissions standards for the future, most routes are put out to tender every few years by the councils running them and one of the things they will look for are new buses in the tender bid so thats covered in 99% of the caes
15-11-2011, 05:52 PM
#47
Yes, but as stated. Use a plate from a vehicle owned by a department that deserves to get the hassle.
ie police, speed camera vans, wheel clampers etc.
DO NOT use a false plate of a normal motorist, as it could cause them no end of grief that you wouldnt wish onto any normal person.
Obviously previous categories dont fall into normal.
ie police, speed camera vans, wheel clampers etc.
DO NOT use a false plate of a normal motorist, as it could cause them no end of grief that you wouldnt wish onto any normal person.
Obviously previous categories dont fall into normal.
15-11-2011, 10:30 PM
#53
I take it from that statment you dont really know what the goverment are trying to reduce in the exhaust gases with commercial diesels then! A modern diesel vehicle under load produces poisonous nox particles which they dont wont people breathing in this is what they target with euro 5 and 6! And beleave me the systems they have do make a difference! if you was in for instance (only data i have as that is what i work on) a fully loaded 42 ton daf cf 85 at max boost pulling hard it will make around 1600 particals per million of nox the current euro 5 set up will take that down to around 510 to 570 particals per million so it works! 
15-11-2011, 10:40 PM
#54
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I'll take from your statement you don't actually know what 1) I'm talking about, or 2) the madness behind the bullshit LEZ. I'm not talking about a fully loaded lorry, I'm talking about a Land Rover, which isn't a commercial vehicle! The fucking stuipid thing is, they've 'decided' Defenders are part of it, yet a Discovery, which is about the same weight, same year and exactly the same engine isn't! It's fucking total random madness. Also, the LEZ expansion shite was signed for by Ken Livingstone just before the election he lost, to fuck up his predecessor.
Last edited by ajamesc; 15-11-2011 at 10:42 PM.
15-11-2011, 10:47 PM
#55
Your statment stated that the new euro rules dont make a difference but they do lol pluse a defender is used in many cases as a commercal vehicle i only used a daf as an example to show how effective euro 5 measures are at reducing nox particles! plus a defender will also produce nox which is what they are trying to reduce hench the reason they have proberly included it! (i guess they havent included the disco as its not really seen as a commercial vehicle and before you say defenders are not used as commercial vehicles we look after four for a company called power team lol)
Shafting motorists every possible way they can.
TBH most parts of central London are a total shithole. Having vehicles in there poisoning people may not be such a bad thing.
15-11-2011, 10:59 PM
#56
cossie fan (unluckerly)
But there not sharfting most motorist are they they havent said every diesel car! there only going after hgvs and light commercials (and taxis i think) also coaches and buses but they come under hgvs. At the end of the day its what they consider to be work vehicles that produce what they are trying to reduce so theres no way round it people just have to get on with it. There is an argument as to why its wrong and why its right (unless you dont give a shit about polluting the air people have to breath). And dont say heathrow is in the zone as thats just stupid as a, the planes dont produce what there trying to reduce and b, they can hardly ground the planes can they lol
Last edited by ajamesc; 15-11-2011 at 11:02 PM.
15-11-2011, 11:10 PM
#57
But there not sharfting most motorist are they they havent said every diesel car! there only going after hgvs and light commercials (and taxis i think) also coaches and buses but they come under hgvs. At the end of the day its what they consider to be work vehicles that produce what they are trying to reduce so theres no way round it people just have to get on with it. There is an argument as to why its wrong and why its right (unless you dont give a shit about polluting the air people have to breath).
And dont say heathrow is in the zone as thats just stupid as a, the planes dont produce what there trying to reduce and b, they can hardly ground the planes can they lol
15-11-2011, 11:13 PM
#58
But there not sharfting most motorist are they they havent said every diesel car! there only going after hgvs and light commercials (and taxis i think) also coaches and buses but they come under hgvs. At the end of the day its what they consider to be work vehicles that produce what they are trying to reduce so theres no way round it people just have to get on with it. There is an argument as to why its wrong and why its right (unless you dont give a shit about polluting the air people have to breath). And dont say heathrow is in the zone as thats just stupid as a, the planes dont produce what there trying to reduce and b, they can hardly ground the planes can they lol
Do you believe their speed camera campaign also saves people ? Nope.
Certainly they could apply the rules to new vehicles. But to retrospectively apply it is just lunacy. And I feel sorry for anyone living within the zone who will get charged simply for living there !
The biggest problem every country on earth faces in the coming years is people. There are far too many people. They need to work on that long before worrying about a few vans or cars etc.
15-11-2011, 11:16 PM
#59
cossie fan (unluckerly)
How many times, our defender is NOT a commercial vehicle! It's not even fucking registered as one! It's yet another way to get money off motorists and price people off the road. It's only a matter of time before they lump every car into it, mark my words!
If they can't ground planes which pollute a lot more than cars/vans etc. then why the fuck can they charge people so much and potentially put companies out of business and people out of work?
If they can't ground planes which pollute a lot more than cars/vans etc. then why the fuck can they charge people so much and potentially put companies out of business and people out of work?
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15-11-2011, 11:35 PM
#60
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I'm not from London and don't know the details, but these rules seem perverse on all levels...
Am I right in understanding a V8 transit would be ok, but diesel van is not?
Wonder how many of your councillors/MPs have shares or other interests in these special exhaust manufacturers and fitters...
Am I right in understanding a V8 transit would be ok, but diesel van is not?
Wonder how many of your councillors/MPs have shares or other interests in these special exhaust manufacturers and fitters...
15-11-2011, 11:50 PM
#62
I'm not from London and don't know the details, but these rules seem perverse on all levels...
Am I right in understanding a V8 transit would be ok, but diesel van is not?
Wonder how many of your councillors/MPs have shares or other interests in these special exhaust manufacturers and fitters...
Am I right in understanding a V8 transit would be ok, but diesel van is not?
Wonder how many of your councillors/MPs have shares or other interests in these special exhaust manufacturers and fitters...
16-11-2011, 08:55 AM
#64
Although to be fair on the petrol vs diesel debate.
The fumes from a diesel exhaust are extremely poisonous and carcinogenic
But given diesel's are more economical and now more popular...as well as virtually all commercials being diesels, it's by far the easiest to target for bringing in money..
The fumes from a diesel exhaust are extremely poisonous and carcinogenic
But given diesel's are more economical and now more popular...as well as virtually all commercials being diesels, it's by far the easiest to target for bringing in money..
16-11-2011, 09:25 AM
#65
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I'm not from London and don't know the details, but these rules seem perverse on all levels...
Am I right in understanding a V8 transit would be ok, but diesel van is not?
Wonder how many of your councillors/MPs have shares or other interests in these special exhaust manufacturers and fitters...
Am I right in understanding a V8 transit would be ok, but diesel van is not?
Wonder how many of your councillors/MPs have shares or other interests in these special exhaust manufacturers and fitters...
16-11-2011, 11:27 AM
#69
cossie fan (unluckerly)
And your defender still dose more harm to air quality buy pumping about nox particals that stay in the air than both of them
16-11-2011, 12:40 PM
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16-11-2011, 02:14 PM
#75
cossie fan (unluckerly)
Its nothing to do with congestion in london its the quality of the air has to meet a certian standard. Thats why there cracking down on diesel vehicals that fall into the group they class as commercial so un lucky for some and can be seen as silly it also includes a few vehicals that people use as every day transport. But its not something they just bring out you know about it a long time in advance just like we already no what there planning for euro 6 which is a few years away yet!
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16-11-2011, 03:53 PM
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Some smiley faced transits are now lez zone compliant, as quite a few people with the early mk6's complained that there vans where compliant as the they had the same engine as the compliant 2002 on vans, so with the help of ford all mk6 vans are now compliants that were registered after 2000, dvla now think all transits after 2000 are compliant even though some were late registered smiley faced ones so if you have a late reg mk5 check the lez zone site to check your van before doing anything.
Also fitting a petrol engine makes them compliant even though they arent as economical as the diesel, but saying that with the difference in price between petrol and diesel it doesnt make that much of a difference.
Hopefully that all made sense.
Also fitting a petrol engine makes them compliant even though they arent as economical as the diesel, but saying that with the difference in price between petrol and diesel it doesnt make that much of a difference.
Hopefully that all made sense.
But a glitch in the system means smiley faced transits on a W or V plate are allowed!! We bought a smiley transit about 6 weeks ago for £200 fully specced with electric windows etc, its on a W plate and its complient!!
I keep me eye out for smiley fronts and take a note of the reg if there a W or V, so far everyone ive put in (about 15) have been complient!!
I heard that if your changing the engine, is has to be age related to the vehicle!! So if youve got a R reg smiley transit, you cant put a mk6 engine in!!
16-11-2011, 07:10 PM
#78
Would it matter if they give you 6 months or 2 years....some people cant afford to buy new vehicles just because some cockhead decides to move the goalposts.
And when I queried how will they charge foreign drivers, it wasnt to do with their vehicle emissions. I'm sure there are thousands or maybe tens of thousands of foreign registered vehicles in London every day. How will they charge these people for being within the zone ?
16-11-2011, 08:57 PM
#79
So if the mk 6 transit is non compliant in 2015 what a fucking waste my recent upgrade was 
that 2005 transit won't be worth a wank in three years . Where the fuck do they think all this money is coming from ? Then what did they do they do on the mk 7 then, as I thought they where all the same as the mk 6 with only a face lift? A smiley front 24v cos powered transit should have been my upgrade 
real future proof 
that 2005 transit won't be worth a wank in three years . Where the fuck do they think all this money is coming from ? Then what did they do they do on the mk 7 then, as I thought they where all the same as the mk 6 with only a face lift? A smiley front 24v cos powered transit should have been my upgrade real future proof