James @ M Developments.

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People seem to think you have to be driving dangerously and going very fast to map cars though,

The top end fast stuff is very easy and over with very quickly,

its the drivablility stuff and cruise that takes the time, and to do that is no worse than driving to the shops as thats exactly what we are trying to map for. Start stop in traffic, hill starting, cold starting and drive, non of which involve any speed or danger at all.

Anything we deem to powerfull, or that needs excessive high speed runs will be taken to brunters or similar, strangly thats often why we get slagged off on here because we wont take risks, catch 22 i guess lol

JohnnyB

I would assume you would map till the top of the revs in 5th gear, on a cossie thats 150ish MPH............ no matter how quickly its done its still dodgy...

JohnnyB

one question.....

not been dealing with car shit for over 2 years, but can you now add the drag details of a car into the rolling road so it will add more load?

James @ M Developments.

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so is having a car capable of those speeds and giving it a run on the way home to see how good the mapping is and even if its dyno mapped it will still need a run out to check it.

JohnnyB

True very true, I am only guessing, but I assume you would have maby 2 live maps a week, you would have to do say a couple of bilps to top speed.


The chances of not just having a crash or getting fucked over by the 5O increases 10 fould over a guy who takes his cossie out on a sunday


would it be more prudent to get RR!

JohnnyB

you must get quite close on a RR, not perfect it cannot be, be you are reducing so much risk to your self and others.


just a thought

carcollector

glad the wind has changed now and reason comes before emotion.

we all know road mapping happens but bar the tuners who have no dyno all say it shouldnt be done.

so bottom line for the op : go to mr. hadland as he is the only one out of the tuners you mentioned who has a dyno and he will get it 100% right without an insurance problem or a big dent in ur car.

go on, flame me again, i do not care.

12k was a ok price, actually just wot i had paid. but half that is takin the piss.

Mike Rainbird

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FFS its 300bhp, not some 600bhp monster .

As has been stated by others, I would happily use any of the following for what is a effectively a very simple job (assuming it is a YB):
AVA
Collins
MAD
MSD
NMS
Reyland
SCS
Turbosystems
Just use the one that is closest .

Regarding the work that may need carrying out, the company in question should give the car a complete health check first, which may highlight issues that would need sorting prior to the tuning work (the car is 20 years old after-all), which may lead to a substantially higher bill, so you need hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

The only thing that will likely fail at 300bhp is the turbo, where the ickle T3 (if it is still on this) will be on it's knees. If you were prepared to stick to 270-280bhp, then this would be the most reliable and would last forever.

Regarding road mapping, IMO it is perfectly acceptable to do all the part throttle / cruising map on the road, but high speed work requires a big open expanse like Bruntingthorpe if you're going to check the high speed mapping (which is what happens to all Harvey's big engines), as doing 170+mph on the road is likely to see you banged up if caught .

At the end of the day, if you're prepared to do over 100mph on the road and your tuner is prepared to sit next to you when you're doing it, then it is your responsibility to take the consequences of anything that may go wrong.

James @ M Developments.

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nobody says it should or shouldnt be done as far as i can see.
but what we say is it will need to be checked/adjusted on the road anyway, so its nowhere near as clear cut as you make out it is,
The danger doesnt go away becuae it still needs to be done.

James @ M Developments.

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thats a valid point mike

JohnnyB

lol mike thanks for getting this back on thread lol

carcollector

james,

an open working notebook in the passenger seat can be seen as a distraction to the driver, hence a problem when it goes belly up.

in other words if something happens the police will catch this and make it a big problem as in their eyes the driver was destracted.

still sure a company should be telling folks its ok ? you can be made liable...

James @ M Developments.

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i dont tell anyone its ok,and cant advise anyone does something they are not familiar with. i do it for a living.not for fun. The driver drives, and whoever is sat in the passenger seat, or in the back can happily map.

in my opinion, a driver is much more likely to get distracted by a nice looking female in a low cut top, than a boring fuel or ignition table.

Are people insured in and around dynos? on dyno days etc? what do you think would happen if someone got killed or seriouslly injured while watching or taking part in a dyno session? it does happen, and its not without risk either! there are plenty of videos of such incidents on youtube.

carcollector

good point, and i can only talk for myself..... i insured the dyno cell for 5 million chf at the time, this was imho sufficient back then.

donno how others insure theirs.

and for the low cut, fook yes its distracting

SiZT

Carcollector, do you really think people will risk their lives for Ł500 everyweek?

Was it ever proven that Rob was mapping when the crash happened?

Mr RS500

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Now you try telling the truth

I offered you 7k as IMO thats all a rotten 500 was worth ( i could buy a nice 500 at the time for 12k )

You said you would think about it , you called me back about 2 weeks later asking if i was still intrested and i said yes buy i wouldnt up my offer

you then said ok no thanks

No probs to me as i wasnt that bothered about owning it , hence my low offer

So why take the hump about it ? i never twisted your arm to sell it to me and i know you dont need the money as you live of your rich mummy and daddy so i dont see why its a problem

You asked me to bid ,i did , you didnt accept

SO WHY ARE YOU SO BITTER ?

You bought it and sold it for a proffit , but im not allowed to do the same , lol typical way of thinking for most folk i quess

Just go cry to mummy and she will fund you another car

Martin-Hadland

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Yes

P4ULT

so would any of the tuners mentioned say wether they map on the road, rr or both. and who drives when it is on the road.

James @ M Developments.

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For your sort of power level, we would be simply fitting a pre written calibration and setting up the fuelling/boost live on the road.

The usual routine is Stu will drive and im passenger working the gear.

pani_k

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I think this was wrapped up a long time ago. Just go to a tuner that's close, got a good rep and can do what you want for a decent price. Any self respecting tuner should offer a comeback if it is THEIR work that has caused a problem so there should be nothing to worry about especially all that have been mentioned in this thread.

carcollector

paul

now mentioning mark really got u going.....lol

u been beaten by him in ur own game, thats what makes you so bitter ??

lots of love and im sure this is the beginning of a wonderful friendship

RWD_cossie_wil

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So whats the difference between a tuner driving with a mapper in the passenger seat, and the owner hooning about? Very hypocritical to criticize if you ever exceed the speed limit on the road!

Mark Shead

So tech your 5% still will invalidate insurance Luckily for me I have already live mapped my insurance brockers car with him in itSo I am ok,

Mark

charlie luciano

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He's the fucking last person I'd let lose in my car after his cream driving exploits during the demolition derby





































sorry gumball rally


Luciano

Mark Shead

If doing a set up on a MSD chip that I recomended I would be doing the driving and checking afr/dett,
Luckily for me we have a 8mile long bypass thats divided and 1 roundabout and luckily 2 long hills that load he engine without exessive speed,
Mapping is only done between 10 and 3 which is when I map,
Loading the engine is only done when the road is clear and only 1 car is in front on the inside lane, this is to make sure they dont pull out,
Done safely and corretly you should have no problems as its not taking a car out and driving with no thought.

Mark

MikeR

So a slightly longer place than your last mapping road Mark

Mr RS500

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Beaten at my own game eh , How do you work that out

The car was for sale at a price i didnt want it ,Mark did

how does that Beat me at my own game , lol

Now go home micheal ,mummy will have your tea ready

foreigneRS

attn: all thames valley speed cops. check the A404M between 10 and 3 for fast moving vehicles being driven by a bloke in a cardigan and silly ear warmers

Mr RS500

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and is oftern seen hanging around with a small boy who goes by the name or Rod

Sorry Rod , i couldnt resist

R4N SS

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I love the A404M, except for the bit near Henley where my brother rolled his nova 17years ago

carcollector

because while you run out steam and money he is buying all the nice cars and
selling far more rs500 stuff then you ever have.

thats why you are beaten in ur own game you fool

your level of communication clearly show your lack of "savoir faire" , go look it up on google....

Rsmat

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Rod im sorry i coulnt resist aswel.....

Mr RS500

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Ok Micheal



It means a knowlage of somthing

So i know nothing about rs500"s or dealing in cosworth parts ,in particular the rs500 , lol

If you think that Micheal i will leave you to think so if it makes you sleep a little better tonight

Im happy that my " savoir faire " has managed to bag me a 500 in every colour and a vast amount of brand new and used rs500 spares , along with the rest of my collection of nice cars and classic motorbikes

maybee i should have the username " carcollector " ?

Ps,Mark does do well with 500 cars and parts , I have actually traded a few rs500 parts with him myself , He even GAVE me a bulkhead pad for my white 500 when i did the underbonnet resto , Very decent fella

Bye for now

pig

we did excatley that when mark tweeked my map on my car.accidents can happen but you observant (sp) its less likely.
on the original posting topic ive only really used m a developments and each time has been faultless and if ive ever had questions ive called and every single time he has done his best to try and help.other tuners have been less than helpfully when called etc

COCHYN

Why do these threads always go to shit when it comes to tuners. At the end of the day, those who slate others are just biased about their preferred tuner and will always act the cock regardless of facts. Hope nobody take this thread literally, because EVERY tuner will have positives and negatives. Can't have everything perfect all the time, more factors to consider than just "cowboy" mapping etc

So from my experience, MSD are awsome with the highest class of customer service. Stu is one of the most experienced tuners in the business, or are people naiive enough to think that his monthly inputs in Fast Ford mag are copy/paste segments?

Reyland have a long standing rapport with their customers, true that Martin has not been mapping cars for as long as others, but I'm confident enough that they can handle something with the power output that's discussed here.

So on and so forth.... Its your own personal preference because every engine is different. I stick with SCS because I have good friends there that give the support and answers I'm after....normally on a daily basis via Jim But its the fact they're not always car orientated, you can have a laugh with them which in turn builds a more trusting foundation. I wouldn't trust my car in anyone elses hands except for John Coles and Harvey Gibbs.

Now stop bitch slapping you bunch of fucking women and give the lad some proper advice of what to do. At the end of the day, most generic maps are copied anyway, so one way or another a proper setup will be sourced.

danneth

This thread has alot of potential, the comments so far are only scratcing the surface

Eagle

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so as its off topic now locked ...