BTTT for Chip

 

or you could simpley have a spare 530 bhp sutting around and drop that in,

thats whot i did

i personaly would not want to buy another proper spec engine, as mike says there not cheap, when built by the top tuners,

thats why when i sold my old 500 i kept the engine, which has now found a new house with steve scotts help,

so the engine that has come out is now another spare 500 bhp unit,

 

I don't understand how people can say that as in Steve Scotts WRC Escort he did 0-60 in 2.9 seconds
In the Focus a 0-100 in 7.2
Martin Hadland did a top speed of 180 something (cant remember exact figure)
Also i think Martin got the towing record with the T4 8injector spec.

Kev Sharp 183 in the 3 door & 10.3 quarter
The list goes on.

 

187.7mph Gav

 

Cheers Bill was gonna start searching through the magazines.

 

autronics and 750cc injectors...much cheaper and better then the old setup...with a swedish inlet offcourse.....

why not using better quality injectors...

 

The aftermarket injectors arnt as good though!!!!!How can you say they are better than bosch

Plus you dont need the swedish plenum as the EEC4 one will near enuff see you to the limit of 750's!!!

 

well...siemens has better quality injectors...works 12 times faster then the bosch ones...

 

Is that not down to the injector driver???I have no clue

 

Mine will be 500bhp and only cause 10k cause some cunt melted it

 

away with the fairys again hey dingy

 

i will answer this question for you in 3 months boys n girls
by the way , theres nowt wrong with a t4 if you know how to change gear

 

Fairy's ?

yes mate cause i am....

NMS build decent motor's at a decent price, doesn't everyone else...

My engine melted cause of a bad map, end of...LOL

 

seems like a good price to me!

 

8 injector plenums and 8 greens seem to have been replaced with 1000cc injectors and stand alone ECU's.

New vs Old.

Will we see a drop in the prices of RS500 inlets now you don't need them?

Price of T4's drop due to availability of the GT's?

I don't think MAD Rod would see the results he has if he was running the old tech.

 

Moose...the RS500 Plenum is a piece of history..that will NEVER change Same as the T4 imo ..Plus 8 injector looks so much more cool

 

I find it hilarious that bosch_man is posting one minute sayingabout high cr and modern management being the way forward and wanting a roller bearing turbo, and then the next minute is singing the praises of all the "old skool" tuning.

 

Chip...why????? I love everything YB....remember touring cars very lo comp rally cars very hi comp....my application is a road car build..so mid way seems the way to go to me due to not having to go touring car spec to get reliability anymore!!!!!If i was going track car that was always onsong then yes lo comp!

The only reason i am going aftermarket ECU is to map myself!!!!!I am still going 8 injectors!!!

Now answer the question.

 

T4s still cost the same if not more than GT30s / 35s etc .

 

Answer what question phil?

Why i dont like 8 injectors?

Because you cant place them as well as you can with 4, and its twice as many things to fail.

If an injector plug comes off or an injector seizes on 8 injectors you run lean and kill the engine, if the same happens on 4 injectors you get a chronic missfire and know there is something wrong.

 

PS

plus of course its needlessly expensive.

 

four large injectors and a more advanced ecu is nothing new!

please remember that eggenurger was useing this set up back in 87

some use four some use eight, i have both lol

both work and both are over 500 bhp and made no difference on the track,

if you want more power fit a bigger turbo than the t4

its not rocket science

 

188.68

 

GAV
Ive had both & they are worlds apart I now have approx 150bhp more off Nitrous & far less lag & better throttle response.
Even my over weight rwd taxi has done 0-100 7.1. The world has moved on big time.
Rod

 

Rod,
Kev has gone faster in his shonky T4 Escort (albeit with traction )...

 

Rah! That was after the caravan tow



Still one of the fastest 500hp T4 cars we've seen...... 517 on the RR so less in car...... them Reyland horses are obviously shire horses .

 

im thinking it can be done a lot cheaper mike , some of the stuff youve quoted there you wouldnt waste your money on these days e.g 8 inj plenum , 803's , T4

the req power can be achieved without wasting money man

 

That happened to Brom once when a cable to one of the injectors was split and his car misfired but didn't melt.

Not that im trying to prove you wrong, just saying what i have seen.

 

Gav, this happened to me when an injector clip was not seated properly on an (RS500 8 x green inj set-up):
Notice that the other 3 pots are mint - I.E. not a single det mark:

 

Mark,
Another that can't read .

I listed everything so that you could add and remove things as necessary. However, although you can remove Ł1k for the RS500 plenum and Ł1200 for the T4, you would be adding Ł350 for the inlet plenum, Ł400 for the external waste-gate and Ł1100-1200 for the GTwhatever turbo, Ł350 for the big injectors and Ł300 for a modified standard exhaust manifold, so it is swings and roundabouts .

So please tell me how that would be any different (in fact it would be MORE money) .

 

I believe that 8 injectors are better for placement, as you can place the 4 for low fuel demand, i.e. lower intake air speeds closer to the inlet port, and the other four can be placed further out as the air stream is faster and can carry the fuel.

the S8 ecu checks injector electrical faults, but cannot check for mechanical failures or blockage etc.

 

Think I would rather have four injectors and not risk melting a 10k engine.....

Even if it cost upto 100bhp in performance!

 

AD-RS1600i, if you read what Rod was saying it hasnt cost him any performance, in fact its improved it.

Doug, i forgot that you had experienced exactly that, thanks for the example, thats precicely what i meant!

 

Are you people really THAT stupid ? Please explain to me how you think that having only one injector of four fail when on a high speed run, would make ANY difference in saving an engine .

The results (i.e a molten mass of piston on the affected cylinder) would be IDENTICAL. All you have to do is imagine what affect removing the cooling effect of the fuel would have on a piston at 150+ mph .

The ONLY reason for not going 8-injector is COST .

 

I dont believe it would cost any performance either, was just saying that if hyperthetically it did, I would still go 4 injector for the above reason matey! ......probably didn't word that all that well, lol

PS - IMA may be a DIY engine builder god, but that still doesn't mean he has a clue about different injection system work! lol

 

Mike, the big reason for me personally not going 8 injector is to free up the choice of plenums.

 

I see it has gone all quiet from the people advocating four injectors for "safety" reasons .

 

Hadnt gone quiet, was just down the pub so not near the internet.
Im not working today so wont be online much.

Having no fuel at all in that cylinder means no burn, which means no heat.
Plus you actually notice it without any doubt so will back off, that is the key thing here, if you talk to someone like Doug who has had the exact failure im describing you will find he wasnt aware of the problem until too late.


Having less fuel (ie with an injector failing on an 8 injector setup) results in the mess you describe above.


Chip

p.s
Wasnt just talking about on a high speed run either, a fairly brisk run up the motorway at part boost is enough to kill an incorrectly fuelled engine pretty quickly, they dont just fail during speed runs, in fact many of us have no interest in top speed runs at all for that matter so its guarenteed that wont be when a failure happens

 

p.p.s

Dougs expired on a bit of a road at fairly high but not ridiculous speeds if i remember correctly, but im sure he can provide more info on that

 

oooohh, could the mighty Rainbum be wrong!??!

Go chip Go chip Go chip

Chip what you doing tomorrow??? fancy coming to this show, sink a few beers, meet some of the boys, and take the piss out of Mike until he goes to bed in tears asking for his mummy?

I have a spare seat in my car