Spec for a 300hp Zetec Turbo?
02-09-2011, 06:21 AM
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02-09-2011, 06:24 AM
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you ever had one in bits? they are soo crap they dont even have a sump plug to change the oil! the diff bearings are crap, the first motion shaft bearing is serioulsy crap, the fifth gear is retro fitted outside the box and doesnt get any oil (as its actually a four speed box) the gears strip as they are not man enough, apart from that they are ace!
02-09-2011, 12:12 PM
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you ever had one in bits? they are soo crap they dont even have a sump plug to change the oil! the diff bearings are crap, the first motion shaft bearing is serioulsy crap, the fifth gear is retro fitted outside the box and doesnt get any oil (as its actually a four speed box) the gears strip as they are not man enough, apart from that they are ace!
02-09-2011, 01:18 PM
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That list of Spec should see you right with the correct ECU kit and a Good Turbosetup. You could look at a ParcelT2 They seam pritty good and i know Harvey Gibbs will do you a Map.
With the power you're looking at dont follow the chicken chases, shoutting out i have the biggest willy and infact not being able to use it is something no-one wants to be proud of.
I've spent several hours talking to Neil in regards to power and the fact most people want to see 300 is something however they forget about putting all that power in a light front ended car, because the Z Lumps are a light engine to start with.
Currently i'm mounting mine, so it wont start a full rebuild for a few months to come. At it will be built for around 400-480bhp. Engine/Box wise, to withstand that power.
At the moment in time i'm looking at what options there are to getting a massive amount of power, still being able to control and drive the car to its full, and not spending most of my time on the phone to tyer companys.
You want to keep your current engine spec and be fine with 300 but only run it at no more than 250, as thats when things change somewhat, and focus on getting the power down, once you have solved that issue, work on more power and ''Learn how to drive the car correctly with some track time''
Who wants a car that spins its wheels. A mate of mine lost out big time when ZVH came in and everyone started to build big monsters, however he forgot all about the power, and putting it onto the road.
And i wouldnt follow the advice from Mo's Bent rims as i tend to see he talks nothing but utter shit.
With the power you're looking at dont follow the chicken chases, shoutting out i have the biggest willy and infact not being able to use it is something no-one wants to be proud of.
I've spent several hours talking to Neil in regards to power and the fact most people want to see 300 is something however they forget about putting all that power in a light front ended car, because the Z Lumps are a light engine to start with.
Currently i'm mounting mine, so it wont start a full rebuild for a few months to come. At it will be built for around 400-480bhp. Engine/Box wise, to withstand that power.
At the moment in time i'm looking at what options there are to getting a massive amount of power, still being able to control and drive the car to its full, and not spending most of my time on the phone to tyer companys.
You want to keep your current engine spec and be fine with 300 but only run it at no more than 250, as thats when things change somewhat, and focus on getting the power down, once you have solved that issue, work on more power and ''Learn how to drive the car correctly with some track time''
Who wants a car that spins its wheels. A mate of mine lost out big time when ZVH came in and everyone started to build big monsters, however he forgot all about the power, and putting it onto the road.
And i wouldnt follow the advice from Mo's Bent rims as i tend to see he talks nothing but utter shit.
02-09-2011, 05:12 PM
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^^^^well said.
Whats the point in having bucket loads of power if your first 2 or 3 gears are nothing more than sitting there lighting up the front tires.
There's far too much neglect in chassis set up with the Ford scene imo - Priority seems all about chasing headline figures rather than traction and handling.
You look at 1/4 miles. FWD Fords are no where compared to everyone else
Whats the point in having bucket loads of power if your first 2 or 3 gears are nothing more than sitting there lighting up the front tires.
There's far too much neglect in chassis set up with the Ford scene imo - Priority seems all about chasing headline figures rather than traction and handling.
You look at 1/4 miles. FWD Fords are no where compared to everyone else
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02-09-2011, 05:34 PM
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Im in the prosess of stitch welding the car from front to back and the suspension/steering setup is going comprise of GAZ Coilovers and Adjustable TCA/Tie Bar etc. I want it handling better than it goes to be honest
02-09-2011, 10:23 PM
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^^^^well said.
Whats the point in having bucket loads of power if your first 2 or 3 gears are nothing more than sitting there lighting up the front tires.
There's far too much neglect in chassis set up with the Ford scene imo - Priority seems all about chasing headline figures rather than traction and handling.
You look at 1/4 miles. FWD Fords are no where compared to everyone else
Whats the point in having bucket loads of power if your first 2 or 3 gears are nothing more than sitting there lighting up the front tires.
There's far too much neglect in chassis set up with the Ford scene imo - Priority seems all about chasing headline figures rather than traction and handling.
You look at 1/4 miles. FWD Fords are no where compared to everyone else
i don't just spin the wheels in lower gears, the thing grips really well, no traction issues after third and only minor issues in second.
03-09-2011, 06:05 PM
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just 1 thing on this 400bhp on a h.o. inlet,dont think it will happen? hve you seen the flow charts, things struggle with 300bhp, and run out of puff about 5k. areyou planing on using the side feeds?
03-09-2011, 07:51 PM
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/\ can you post me a link to the flow charts?
the ports are bigger than cvh efi inlet, much bigger than s/o inlets which have been used on many zetec turbo engines. certainly more flow than a rover turbo inlet and they have also been used for decent power.
i'll know for sure when i've had it on the rollers, but that will have to wait as alternator died today
the ports are bigger than cvh efi inlet, much bigger than s/o inlets which have been used on many zetec turbo engines. certainly more flow than a rover turbo inlet and they have also been used for decent power.
i'll know for sure when i've had it on the rollers, but that will have to wait as alternator died today
04-09-2011, 08:17 AM
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its in fast ford two issues back lots of links to it on here, the tried 4 or 5 inlets back to back, mine was choking at about 300ish, just with a better flowing inlet, e.g. area six, jenvey, crazy cages 1, you will add circa 30bhp.. sorry i cant but a link up im in the stone age with I.T. but you could prove alot of peeps wrong, you neer know
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04-09-2011, 01:23 PM
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Bc gear boxes can last.i was running one in mine and didnt brake the box and the car got driven like it was stolen most of the time. Think I might have just been lucky though.dont know the spec of the box but I had it when I first built the car with a 200bhp cvh engine then with the zetec turbo in it and the owner before me had it in there track car
04-09-2011, 01:43 PM
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i take it your on about paul johnson black fiesta turbo ? it was the fastest fwd car in the uk and still is i believe , yes he ran a bc box heavy modified and went through 7 in one year at Ł2000 per box , not a cheap experience , bc boxes are utter shit the only bonus is that your could mix and match ratios for final drives etc which led to his 179.9 mph @ 20 psi of boost (full boost was 30psi so more to come ), i believe you cant do this with the mtx only with a few gears but there are so many different ratioed boxes around (ie on different models ) that you can choose the best box suited to your needs.
cheers paul
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04-09-2011, 02:26 PM
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i take it your on about paul johnson black fiesta turbo ? it was the fastest fwd car in the uk and still is i believe , yes he ran a bc box heavy modified and went through 7 in one year at Ł2000 per box , not a cheap experience , bc boxes are utter shit the only bonus is that your could mix and match ratios for final drives etc which led to his 179.9 mph @ 20 psi of boost (full boost was 30psi so more to come ), i believe you cant do this with the mtx only with a few gears but there are so many different ratioed boxes around (ie on different models ) that you can choose the best box suited to your needs.
cheers paul
cheers paul
you can mix and match on the mtx box and there are loads of different ratios to choose from.
04-09-2011, 04:31 PM
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as said ratios on some of the mtx75 boxes aren't ideal, i run a standard frs one, and at my future rev limit i'll top 160mph, but i don't think i'll ever take it there.
it would be nice not to be on 3350rpm at 70mph though (accurate to 0.5mph on the stack calibrated speedo)
it would be nice not to be on 3350rpm at 70mph though (accurate to 0.5mph on the stack calibrated speedo)
04-09-2011, 04:36 PM
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300 is an easy number to hit!!
got some std focus RS cams if your interested?
use 106gti valve springs
focus RS head gasket
and a 1.8 (alloy) inlet manifold!
i use DTA managment
got some std focus RS cams if your interested?
use 106gti valve springs
focus RS head gasket
and a 1.8 (alloy) inlet manifold!
i use DTA managment
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04-09-2011, 05:26 PM
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04-09-2011, 06:27 PM
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i run a T04B super v BB turbo, should push enough air through to hit the target figures, if not, then i'll see if i really need a better inlet.
as a N/A inlet they run upto 136bhp on standard management.
a cvh efi inlet runs at most 100bhp (?) N/A, so in theory the H/O flows around 30% more.
an efi cvh inlet has been known to run 350bhp ish, so a better flowing H/O inlet should run more than that.
it's a little guess work and it needs proving before it can be claimed, but only one way to know and it'll be on the roller sin the near future once i get a few more miles on the clock and do more oil changes.
as a N/A inlet they run upto 136bhp on standard management.
a cvh efi inlet runs at most 100bhp (?) N/A, so in theory the H/O flows around 30% more.
an efi cvh inlet has been known to run 350bhp ish, so a better flowing H/O inlet should run more than that.
it's a little guess work and it needs proving before it can be claimed, but only one way to know and it'll be on the roller sin the near future once i get a few more miles on the clock and do more oil changes.
04-09-2011, 07:28 PM
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The shitty std 2.0 plastic inlet as fitted to focus rs's
Have time and time again proved they will run 350-380 bhp,
Any more and they crack,
So go for an alloy inlet of same design should be good enough for over 400...
My inlet i designed/made
Is a jenvy injector Plenum,
Custom designed velocity stack plate cnc machined
6" runners
Sweedish style chamber,
Jenvy throttle body
Im only running 1.5 bar and it makes 545 bhp
Have time and time again proved they will run 350-380 bhp,
Any more and they crack,
So go for an alloy inlet of same design should be good enough for over 400...
My inlet i designed/made
Is a jenvy injector Plenum,
Custom designed velocity stack plate cnc machined
6" runners
Sweedish style chamber,
Jenvy throttle body
Im only running 1.5 bar and it makes 545 bhp
04-09-2011, 07:38 PM
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04-09-2011, 07:47 PM
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its in fast ford two issues back lots of links to it on here, the tried 4 or 5 inlets back to back, mine was choking at about 300ish, just with a better flowing inlet, e.g. area six, jenvey, crazy cages 1, you will add circa 30bhp.. sorry i cant but a link up im in the stone age with I.T. but you could prove alot of peeps wrong, you neer know
04-09-2011, 08:22 PM
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Are all the ho inlets designed for side feed injectors??
If so i would see if this could be modified,
Get some std focus rs injectors, and away ya go,
If you are only wanting 300 have u not considered rs parts??
As said a fOcus rs is easily tuned to 300 on std inlet/injectors/head/internals etc
If so i would see if this could be modified,
Get some std focus rs injectors, and away ya go,
If you are only wanting 300 have u not considered rs parts??
As said a fOcus rs is easily tuned to 300 on std inlet/injectors/head/internals etc
04-09-2011, 09:33 PM
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im going from my own car and wat ian has said to me in the past about the h.o. inlet, its not all about port size either, as the runners them selfs tapper down and i think are the same diamiter after a quater of the way back. s.o./h.o. but like i said lets wait and see, it would be nice to see 1 crack the 400 mark, fingers crossed