M7 COS

I cannot believe they went into last nights game with a squad of 16 that didn't contain one British player.

No wonder our national team is so poor!

This happened in Scotland, mainly due to Rangers and Celtic's desire to succeed in Europe, and now look at the state of their national team!

I think this is wrong and the FA should put a stop to it.

There's plenty of good young British footballers who never get their chance to prove themselves at the top teams in this country.

Foreign coaches are the root of this problem, look at all the players that Mourinho, Wenger, Houllier and Benitez have brought into their teams, there's not too many British players in those squads.

Now being a Liverpool fan, I don't like Manchester United but at least they've got a number of British players in their regular starting XI, some of whom have come through their youth system.

If this influx of foreign players and coaches continues in this country England will struggle to qualify for competitions, let alone win them!

Rant over (For now anyway!)

RichardPON

Yeah, Arsenal area disgrace.

They've only nurtured some of the best English talent over the past few years:

Ian Wright
Dave Seaman
Tony Adams
Martin Keown
Lee Dixon
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell

....... and I'm a Spurs fan!

CraigN

i agree with rich

the main brittish players in the arsenal squad ARE international players

Alvyn

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WELL said Ric

this is the norm in football if peeps are unavailable through injury/suspension or ARE not GOOD enough @ the moment what do you want the managers to do pick them and get thrashed. FOOTBALL a business and/so put out the best 11 or 16 available to try and do a job on the opposition

Franco

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Like you lot can talk!

What about David Bentley, Jermaine Pennant, Justin Hoyte etc.

TheBishMan

Apparently UEFA by 2007 will have brought back the rule stating that every team competing in Europe will have to field at least 6 players from their own country...good news IMO and I think Arsenal would struggle a bit if that was the case now!

M7 COS

Completely true Rich, but what are they doing for the English game now?

Pennant, Upson, Halls, Barrett, Bentley, Chilvers etc All British youngsters deemed not good enough for Arsenal and now plying their trade for lesser teams or in lower divisions. 5 years or so ago they would have been given more of a chance at Arsenal, these days they don't even get the opportunity.

If you look at the Arsenal squad as a whole the amount of foreign players is astounding, even their reserves and youth team are made up of foreign players.

Franco

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Well our youth team line up has more than enough English kids to help that along!

M7 COS

What about them?

I don't really understand your point?

Franco

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[quote="M7 COS"]Its called Experience!

Thats how they become great players.......First team footie

It's Czech Mate

They just bought good players like any other club Stick to cars mate

I'm just disgusted they put 5 past us!

Franco

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The Bentley etc point was regarding to Richards bits

M7 COS

But that's the problem they don't!

As soon as they leave the big team the progression is slowed, the coaching and facilities are not as good, they're not playing in the big games, against quality opposition and with high quality team mates.

Franco

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Yeah but they're playing competitive football, not sitting on a bench or rotting in the reserves........

Which ever league they're playing in you cannot say its not Competitive, whether it be Prem or the any of the others

Gra

I agree with M7cos to a point, Its not so much not playing english players more like the whole bringing new good players thru the ranks, the players in Richs example are all good but barring Ashley Cole were all brought thru by previous managers, and were established expieriened players when wenger took charge, I think they are not doing enuff to bring thru british youngsters, more like buying young forieng players and nurishing them. all IMO of course

M7 COS

Look at Giggs, Scholes and the Nevilles, would they have turned into the footballers they have become if they'd had been pushed out of Man U at an early age? I don't think so, look what happened to Lee Sharpe, Lee Martin, Darren Ferguson and Russel Beardsmore.

M7 COS

Exactly.

Arsenal aren't the only guilty party here, Chelsea and Bolton are not much better.

Franco

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http://www.arsenal.com/stats.asp?cli...=Reserve+Squad

There's a good few youngsters in that lot

Franco

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Lee Sharpe & Darren Furguson both had drug habits which was hidden by Alex F/Man U.

They told the papers that Lee Sharpe had Meningitis(Spelling?!?)

bud-weis

i think it's the rule is going to be that teams must have 4 players from their own country in the 24 man squad, which basically means absolutely fook all cos they'll just bring the trainees with them who won't get a sniff.
i remember the good old days when you could only have a maximum number of foreigners in the team, 4 i think.it meant some real shuffling for the teams that didn't have many home grown players.

i'm a liverpool fan and to be honest i would rather see more english players in the team, but to be fare when you are trying to recapture your past successes you need to look at players quality not just their passports. Benitez has bought in some real quality, but has now got to wittle the shite out of the squad that houllier left behind. there are some young prospects , mellor, partridge, raven, potter, warnock , etc but i doubt any of them have the quality to get into a squad that needs to be challenging for the title. i expect to see baros leaving in the summer aswell as , although i hate to say it, stevie g. plus side is that the extra money will be able to bring on 5 or 6 top draw players and with xabi alonso already looking good enough to help fill the gap left by stevie, the future is bright if you ask me. anyway just remembered this is a car forum so i'll shut me trap.

Franco

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bud-weis,

No Manager will ever be able to repeat what Liverpool did.

bud-weis

i dare say your'e right mate but a couple of titles wouldn't go amiss, and a CL trophy, FA cup , all in the next two years would be nice seriously though we are miles of the top 3 again so we need to be on their asses from the off in my opinion. i do believe benitez is the man for the job, his record speaks for itself. If i remember correctly he sold Mendieta for 30 odd million in his first season ( his captain at the time ) and still went on to win many things, after the fans slated him for selling their messiah !!

M7 COS

bud-weis: Is your FRST a concours car? 240+ BHP and it used to have dodgy italic number plates?

bud-weis

these ones you mean?


yeah they were a bit dodgy and they were the first thing to go

do you know the car then?

RichardPON

What are you talking about you patronising moron.

Stick to not being able to read, and you will have noticed I said NURTURED. Not once did I mention that's where they started their careers, but was pointing out that that's where those players have been allowed to develop and explore their talents.

Stick to being a net warrior you clueless twat

RichardPON

By the way, I'm not at all surprised they put 5 past ya - enjoy Championship football next season

M7 COS

Yeah they're the ones.

Overtook it on the way to National Day, I may have a couple of photos that I took of it in the concours section on the day if you're interested.

Physio

I hate Arsenal with a passion - so yes i think they're a disgrace no matter what they do fookin bunch of bully wanna be twats!

Yes im a Man Utd fan!

It's Czech Mate

I can read. Most were already good players before they were signed.
Say what you like about Palace...as if it makes a difference to me.

I'm no internet warrior read all my posts....i'd say the same thing if it were a conversation in the pub.

Means friendly

What right have you to abuse me like that.

I'm not the fookin twat on here.

Franco

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You lot are the new fugging tottenham!

Physio

Fook off! How did you work that one out Francesco?

Franco

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Well we'd rather lose to Spurs now ...........IE most gooner's hate your lot more than them ...........................................Dopey!

Physio

Fook the goons & yes that aint meant to say goon'ers!
As my sig says same old arsenal etc etc etc

They make my fookin blood boil so they do!

Franco

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Always bloody Whinging aint ya



COME ON CHELSEA

bud-weis

M& COS - photos would be great mate

M7 COS

If I've got any I'll send them over when I get home.

I've definitely got the car on video, but that's VHS and not digital.

Pretty sure I took a couple of pictures though. I'll check later.

CheeRS

bud-weis

i meant M7 COS

cheers mate your a star

Physio

No im not always whinging

ADUSR33

its not arsenal's fault if uk players are shite

Physio

Not all uk players are shit