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Old 19-07-2011, 02:31 PM
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11.4.6. interier trim must remain fitted (ecept floor carpet/mats) - huh? Does this just mean you must have a dash and 2 seats? Or does it actually mean complete interior minus carpets?

Edit: as for areo dynamics you could probably fit the fast models bodykit, ie gti bodykit on a non gti and maybe a little splitter but I doubt theyd make much difference overall??

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Originally Posted by jammerrs
11.4.6. interier trim must remain fitted (ecept floor carpet/mats) - huh? Does this just mean you must have a dash and 2 seats? Or does it actually mean complete interior minus carpets?

Edit: as for areo dynamics you could probably fit the fast models bodykit, ie gti bodykit on a non gti and maybe a little splitter but I doubt theyd make much difference overall??
good point on the OEM bodykit, never thought about that will have to check it out though with the scruitanears and also they may be a lot heavier than base spec kits

all interier has to stay, but you can remover carpets
Old 19-07-2011, 04:17 PM
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Metro Gti.... they shift well for what they are
Old 19-07-2011, 04:19 PM
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Dihatsu Charade GTTi? 1.0l turbo....
Old 19-07-2011, 04:25 PM
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I'd go with either a rover 200/25 thing, cheap and there are loads of bits available for them due to their popularity in enduro events, or a civic 1.4 cause they are reliable little cars. Wouldn't go with the swift cause although they are quick and they rev well, they don't seem to produce much torque which is what I would want for travelling uphill. Or you coulod get a 1.4 fiesta like mine. How far can you go with the tuning before having to go up into the modified class? It would be worth checking as some engines may not be very responsive to modifications wheras some engine could get you good gain in power and torque with only a few mods.

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the regs are on previous page mate, just induction and exhaust mods are allowed
Old 19-07-2011, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RSTAaron
Were the Rallyes produced in large enough numbers to be eligible?
500 examples where made. They where homologated for the 106 cup!
Old 19-07-2011, 05:16 PM
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Oh yeah, thats what happens when you skim read If only induction exhaust mods are allowed, i'd go with the rover (or even mg zr) option.
Old 19-07-2011, 05:48 PM
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lupo/arosa sport? 100bhp 16v lump and german build quality?
Old 19-07-2011, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxwell
500 examples where made. They where homologated for the 106 cup!
1000 per year needed for this class though
Old 19-07-2011, 06:02 PM
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1.4 MG ZR has gotta be a good option? my manager has one and for a 1.4 seems pretty rapid?
Old 19-07-2011, 06:04 PM
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AXGT

Trust me

Had one of these - at the time it was the fastest/most bhp car you could buy in the 1.3 or 1.4 category ( i.e. insurable when I was 18/19 )

Go for a 1.4 as they have the 4 stud bolt pattern - all the 106 wheels fit I believe.

Comes with plastic boot lid for starters.

Seriously fast bit of kit...

Remember - this car was first produced when cars were lightweight and made from monkey plastic and monkey metal.

Lots of lift off oversteer fun to be had too.
Old 19-07-2011, 06:16 PM
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Ax...item23120c4d64

There you go.

Job done...

You haven't gotta fuck about finding spare wheels or a cage.
Old 19-07-2011, 06:18 PM
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Oh and I think the engine is actually more or less the same as the 106 XSI...

(which is another option)
Old 19-07-2011, 06:19 PM
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Ax Gt - my first racing car was one of these and although it only had 90 bhp it kept up with the more powerfull stuff as was just so light - 780 kgs or something close. Strangley the Ax Gti model didnt seem as quick due to the extra weight they over the Gt model. You might struggle to find a decent one now in which case the nova can be made to handle really well get some 600+ lb rear springs and some leda front struts with 3 deg neg camber and a decent 1.4 SR engine and off you go!
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Originally Posted by rallycross
Ax Gt - my first racing car was one of these and although it only had 90 bhp it kept up with the more powerfull stuff as was just so light - 780 kgs or something close. Strangley the Ax Gti model didnt seem as quick due to the extra weight they over the Gt model. You might struggle to find a decent one now in which case the nova can be made to handle really well get some 600+ lb rear springs and some leda front struts with 3 deg neg camber and a decent 1.4 SR engine and off you go!
Believe it or not the Gt I was a little slower and less responsive.

Mine was a rocket...
Old 19-07-2011, 06:28 PM
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Old 19-07-2011, 06:39 PM
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1.4 puma? did they make a 1.4?
Old 19-07-2011, 06:43 PM
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Ye its pretty much my car in a different body (and I think, a bit higher insurance due to the coupe body).
Old 19-07-2011, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shings
AXGT

Had one of these - at the time it was the fastest/most bhp car you could buy in the 1.3 or 1.4 category ( i.e. insurable when I was 18/19 )

Go for a 1.4 as they have the 4 stud bolt pattern - all the 106 wheels fit I believe.

too.
All ax gts were 3 stud and gtis were 4 stud
I used all Peugot 106 bits on my gt when I converted mine great cars And still a few for sale on piston heads and eBay
Old 19-07-2011, 07:06 PM
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Puma has a bit of a weight penalty over the fiesta shell though,



Quite like the idea of a mk1 focus.

Weighs about the same as a puma but handle great and the 1.4 zetec SE is strong with 92lb-ft of torque.

Weighs 1068 dry.

great base for stepping it up a class later on as well

set of 13 inch wheels with sticky track rubber instead of the 15's or so it came with and it will fly due to short gearing
Old 19-07-2011, 07:06 PM
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Fiesta 1.4 are quite nippy things, Mark B used to tan his old dears and give it dogs abuse on the local back roads... it really hung on in there and went well enough in a straight line.


Cheers,
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Old 19-07-2011, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stevos
All ax gts were 3 stud and gtis were 4 stud
I used all Peugot 106 bits on my gt when I converted mine great cars And still a few for sale on piston heads and eBay

MEH

You're just being picky.

For clarity
1.3 AXGT 3 stud
1.4 AXGTi 4 stud

NER!
Old 19-07-2011, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Shings
MEH

You're just being picky.

For clarity
1.3 AXGT 3 stud
1.4 AXGTi 4 stud

NER!
I know I am but the ax gt was a 1.4 not a 1.3 and the gti was a 1.4 injected version with a cast block which along with the injection gubbons made gti a tad heavier than the gt.
Old 19-07-2011, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stevos
I know I am but the ax gt was a 1.4 not a 1.3 and the gti was a 1.4 injected version with a cast block which along with the injection gubbons made gti a tad heavier than the gt.
Arse!!!

You win...

But it has been 12 years and I did crash it twice!
Old 19-07-2011, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Shings
Arse!!!

You win...

But it has been 12 years and I did crash it twice!
Been a few years for me too mate fond memories though
Old 19-07-2011, 08:28 PM
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MK1 Focus 1.4 is friggin SLOW!! If anything consider a MK5 1.4 Fez Zetec. Best suggestions imo are the AX GT, 106 Rallye or 106 XSi.
Old 19-07-2011, 08:33 PM
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do you not HAVE to fit a roll-cage then? i'm looking into this myself now, looks a fun little categoyry to compete in
Old 19-07-2011, 09:06 PM
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polo g40 ?
Old 19-07-2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan
polo g40 ?
capacity is too high mate, forced induction gives a multiplier of 1.4
Old 20-07-2011, 03:29 PM
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I've had an idea, a charrade gtti, as a 1 litre even when you multiply by 1.4 they still fall into your class according to my maths. 99bhp, 0-60 in I believe 7.9 seconds. That would make you pretty competitive.
Old 20-07-2011, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gjh
I've had an idea, a charrade gtti, as a 1 litre even when you multiply by 1.4 they still fall into your class according to my maths. 99bhp, 0-60 in I believe 7.9 seconds. That would make you pretty competitive.
as stavros stated above mate, i just cant find one for decent money
Old 20-07-2011, 03:55 PM
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I was gonna correct some of the AX GT info...but reading on, all is well lol

And considering what you're after, defo get an AX. So light and chuckable.

I LOVED my AX GT 500(oh yeah, mine was badass!) I used to jump for joy when it rained! Go out sliding everywhere. I used to get air on speedhumps and it never really needed anything bar a downpipe
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I know this is an old thread, but did you ever get anywhere with this?
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and yes, it is revving to 10,000rpm!

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oh, and i would suggest a 1.4 puma
Old 15-09-2012, 08:35 PM
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Ax Gt gets my vote!

Rapid little cars that dont look fast....strip it out, and get some wheel spaces or lower it and it will be a little weapon
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Puma is too big and heavy and not enough power from the 1.4.

AX is too lacking in power and not really tuneable enough.
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Lacking in power? theye fast little cars!
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Originally Posted by Java=Blue
Lacking in power? theye fast little cars!
Yes, but MPi Metro 16v is quicker.

Plus add TB's, cams, decent exhaust and management and lightened flywheel to it and you've gotta be looking at iro 140bhp, from an NA 1396cc car weighing next to nothing.

Don't think anything will touch that TBH.


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