As title my mates just bought a integra type r and wants to have a go in it against my cossie now what i dont understand is he stupid lol i cant decide which gear to go in. His had civics that were turbo but kept blowing them up 2 engines in a month or so this one i dont think is staying standerd what a bafoon

 

integra type r is a pretty capable car that would outhandle a cossie in the twistys with the right driver but powerwise he has no chance, a cossie will slay it! i killed one in a 205 gti many moons ago

 

What power is your cossie?

 

Depends what power the Cossie is running my standard 4x4 saph wasn't really any quicker than my mates dc2... Killed him on the launch though lol

 

down some twistys he should be fine, as for blowing them up who was building them bob?

 

They were blowing up, obviously some chav cunt building shite then... fucking eBay turbos and shit cause a proper turbo'd DC2 would mock fuck out of your Saph Momo.


Cheers,
Grant

 

well that depends on the spec of the saff

 

And the Honda!

 

Sorry guys dident I mention my saphs off the road Im talking about my merc cossie 2.5 16v its a nippy car for 200bhp like and the honda std for now/The civics I dont think there meant to be turbo though are as the ones his done always smoked on lounch lol.

 

imo an integra type r will murder your merc purely on the weight factor and roughly both cars are around the same power standard.

 

As said the Honda will be a lot lighter than the merc bus

 

merc has no chance mate.

 

As said Honda is a very capable car, and will murder the Merc.

 

The merc is to heavy imo. So what spec is your saff then.

 

hes gonna pull your pants down

 

Depends whether It's DC2 or DC5 IMO, DC5 would destroy it, not sure on DC2 as they're only 190 something Bhp, but then power - rate ratio would be massively in the Integra's favour!

 

my dc2 weighed at 860kg's and with a few easy mods it was doing 215 bhp and handled brilliantly ! it would kill a merc cossie every where

 

Id say you wont stand a chance mate

 

Agreed, dc5s are so sharp, my old 240bhp engine and a mates dc5 there was nothing in it till top end of fourth and fith where I had the legs.

So quick Through the gears I broke a box rushing to keep up

Merc got no chance

Dc2 are quite a bit slower so you might have more of a chance in the merc!

 

Autocar test figures ( 4th January 1989 issue )

Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 manual

0-60 7.2
0-100 19.2
Max 144
ss km 28.3@115
Honda Integra R DC2 ( 17th September Issue )

0-60 6.7
0-100 16.8
Max 143
ss km 26.9@119


On a purely unscientific basis, Castle Combe used to be used by a lot of mags for figuring showroom cars for mag tests/handling tests.
Just for fun, CAR mag put a DC2 round there in Dec 97 issue for their annual handling test in 1 min 18.94 seconds.
A few years earlier, Performance Car mag figured a 2.5-16 190E round there in 1 min 18.1 seconds (that lap time was done in a standard road car by Ian Taylor who used to run a race school at Thruxton and also used to race the 2.3-16 version of the Merc - Feb 89 issue ).

It does not mention the track or temp conditions ( other than the Merc time was dry laps ) and it also doesn't mention which direction they did the laps in ( sometimes they ran the track in reverse direction to give a different slant ).

Obviously this was before the 2 extra chicanes were included and it was re-surfaced

 

a good mate of mine bought a mint white dc2 it was a lovely car but i wasnt too impressed with the power! was expecting alot more from it, esp how much they hold their money, just a glorified crx!

 

They may not be the quickest thing on the road, but they were named "the best handling FWD car ever made" for a reason.

 

i got mine part built solid mounts big rad mugen intake +airbox coil ocers xyz 8 pots dc exhaust manifold ect ect and paid 4 k off a guy who got it like it to , i put a full weldin cage tagged everywhere then i posted up on the itr board and the original guy who did all the mods asked me to sell it as he wanted it back as he had got a dc5 and found it didnt handle as well and was slower around a track ! he offered the right money and off it went
















wish i had kept it tbh a fuckin hoot to drive

 

Try 1180KG, A Dutch forum weighed some and without spare tire and a few other bits the DC2 came in around 1120, I seriously don't believe your 860KG, even if fully stripped, as an example, a COMPLETELY STRIPPED saxo weighs in at 800KG for example.
tabetha

 

Back to the question, the gutless nature of the type r torque wise would take a toll higher up I would say, and the merc would play catch up.
tabetha

 

heres a little video of having a go with a dc5 on track ,it went ok in second thats about it and im only running 1 bar boost as diff was fucked.
3.20 onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf3DUER2kSc

 

wtf you banging on about !! it was put on 2 sets of scales that are serviced every 3 months and calibrated !!! we have stock hatch saxo in at the mo that weighs 780 typical forum bollocks

 

There not that fast, compared to the Ford Cosworth world at least, just look at the statistics they are the quicker car as standard!

My mate has the DC2, I got told by another friend who has the DC5 who knows what his talking about that the DC2 has better acceleration than the DC5 despite it having more power and a bigger engine because they weigh more?

As for the Merc I would think you woulden't be far off in a drag rac but certainly not faster.

Plus DC2 is NOT 200Hp as standard it's around 18xHP from memory

Martin

 

yeh the dc5 is a bigger fatter car so the extra power means less iirc the uk dc2 were 184 bhp and the jdm eas 194 bhp or there abouts

 

Well if its on a circuit with some decent corners like Castle Combe or Donnington you'd probably get lapped after about ten laps.

Brakes, steering, balance, grip on the slower stuff with the lsd - the Integra is an amazing thing, even bog standard road car. I remember doing a track day in the damp at Lydden hill in a standard road car Integra and in the first session I lapped every other car, it was greasy/damp conditions which just suit an Integra as it gives the driver such confidence to feel what grip is available.

But If you are just talking about a blast up the dual carriage way then they are not very quick, a standard integra is about 1150 kg with only 187 bhp (uk model) and has to be revved hard to keep on the boil. They still accelerate quite well from 90mph upwards due to the slippery/coupe shape, the last 10 mph or so takes a while though. They are geared to do something like 140 on the standard 15" wheels.

There is no sensation of lots of power, its more about the feel you get through the steering, brakes and how it handles.

 

dc2 187 bhp

 

Really? You need to check your scales matey my stock hatch saxo has just about every possible weight reduction trick (except its got a heavy cage rather than some cheap omp shit) and it weighs 920 kg on the Donnington scales (accurate mechanical scales) and thats with 1 gallon of fuel and me in it.

A uk DC2 with a/c, c/locking etc its real weight is close to 1200 kg.
Where are you going to find 400 kg to remove from a relatively light 1200 kg car??

 

is the car in the pics a uk one NO do you know what was stripped out of car No asume somewhere else i tell what it weighed 1500 kg and the scales are fucked

 

I guess the model of Saxo comes into the equation as some are heavier than others? Also I am surprised the DC2 weighs that much I would have thought around the tonne mark.

Martin

 

it is my JDM one with elect windows stoopid aircon and fully trimmed was 1084 we took all the heating system out glass ect the front screen being a jdm one was a 3rd of the weight cant remember now to the exact the front seats were aove 30kg but ill let the internet heros tell you they must of done plenty of them by the sound of it

 

That sounds pretty accurate - for the above tests I got the performance figures from, Autocar listed the kerb weight of their UK Spec DC2 ITR at 1101kg - looks pretty close to your 1084kg esp as most of the weighbridges I've used are accurate to +/- 15kg

 

if i can get 300kg out a 1250kg car i dont think its impossible to get 400kg out, just require alot of cutting.

smaller fuel tank, simple wiring loom, no p/s, no abs, no air con, metal bumper bars removed

 

average stage 3 bar the greys live mapp/merc is heavy but drives way better then the cossies iv driven a good few but the merc is my 3rd 1 so far iv had a 2.3 version aswell they do drive much better then saphs its a drivers car tbhSo glenn whats the spec on yours pal?

 

A few weeks back I went to a local meet and had a run with a leon cuppra r the lad said it was a 370hp and couldent shake me off lol as said in thread nippy as with the merc cossies you can pull off in 2nd so there for youv got the advantage lol

 

i raced integras they dont stand a chance . guesing there good on bends but i gapped it so bad on the straight that it just didnt have a chance to be anywhere near me on bends so i dont know what they are like . however very nice looking cars and reliable