cutch

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right got a problem......

the guy that was building my car obviously got fired after taking nearly a year to do fuck all, well i have paid him £2000 500 of which is panels, I know he has put in about 1500 worth of work but he also took 5 times as long as he said he would and didnt complete the job or even get halfway!!! I want my money back, am i being a dick when I ask for it back? as far as i am concerned the 4k quote for building and painting was for a completed car, not something to work out at different stages. I was very lucky that i had Aly to take on the project, not alot of people will do that for the obvious reasons. Well when i open up the computer the same guy thats bitching about having no money all the time has a new fucking bike sitting in the drive. Not fucking happy, wasted my time and is playing with my fav toy.

Glenn_

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Thats shocking that mate. I would be well pissed off if it was my car.

lukeytheduke

what company is it or is it just a person who u paid cash for it?

Eagle

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you paid for ajob .. itsnot been completed .. its taken far to long .. hell yeah

TIFF

Did you pay it all before it was finished????

carlo

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Yes mate i know its your pride & joy & im happy to see it on the mend with ally but the previous guy made a cunt of it allys job would have been much easier not sorting his mistakes as well

Lambchop

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Get your money back for sure!!



What exactly do you mean for 4k? Hand over the s1 shell, a sierra shell/floorpan and get back what? A painted shell or you mean bits bolted on too?

I ask because I have a MINT s1 shell...

cutch

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right the problem is I have known him for a long time, not exactly mates but we get on, dont go out for drinks or nothing, basically he quoted me 4k rolling and painted, i paid 1500 then another 500 for panels which i took with me. so he owes me 1500, i mentioned this to him when i told him Aly was coming to see it before he quoted me and if it was any higher than 2k he would have to pay the difference, he said that he had done 1500 quids worth of work to which i agreed but that was for a completed car. I knew I shouldnt have used a mate to do this but he's wasted a year! My dad thinks i'll never see it again and I'll lose a good painter (works for his dad and does really good work, just did mine on the back burner, spare time) but i am geting to the stage where i think i should go pick up his bike and tell him he can have it back when he coughs up the 1500 quid!

cutch

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fully converted 4x4 series 1 shell thats painted and rolling for 4k chopper

liammcl

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As I said in your resto thread, you dont pay money for work like that mate

Lambchop

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MUST
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FletchCossie

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Im on page 5 of your Resto thread mate. I haven't read all details, but been looking at the pics and can see a Sierra Cossie has been fully stripped, then cut up for the floor and it has currently been welded into the Escort shell.

If the bloke has done all that work then IMO (So far) you shouldn't be asking for anything back. Yes his taken a year to do it, but it was agreed his doing it in his spare time. Is he expected to work on it every spare minute he has? It seems he has done a shed load of work?

S1

I would say you need to look at the work already done and decide if he's done 1500 quid's worth. I haven't looked at your resto thread but have seen a few rwd converted escorts. Some look factory, others look like they've been welded by monkeys. How good is the quality of work and will any of it need to be re-done? If it's acceptable then why ask for money back? If not acceptable then by all means ask for costs to rectify. Unless it's all scrap I don't see why you would ask for the whole 1500 back?

carlo

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Fletch the quality of billys work wasnt up to much & dosent warrent paying imho !

FletchCossie

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Ive just been through to the end of the thread and the only part of the welding which doesn't seem up to the job is the floor pan inside the car, which according to the car owner this Billy had just tac'd into place, so of course the welding will be shit It seems according to the build thread that Billy has re-done the front wing and fuse box due to not being happy, So why would he leave the inside with that shit welding?

Within a short time the front end was in primer and not one thing mentioned about the welding or work done, except the fact he was using a Sierra fuse box they couldn't understand why. Maybe he assumed you needed the Sierra wiring for the conversion and as its his first conversion is doing what he thinks is right. Obviously the car owner is unsure also as he let him change the fuse box, instead of saying "No, we will be doing....".

No offence mate, but I think you should just let it go and get it finished by Aly. It seems your main gripe is the amount of time taken and as Ive said he was doing it in his spare time due to full time work commitments. It seems Aly is doing it all day everyday and hopefully will have it completed very shortly.

scoooby slayer

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ive just read the whole build thread and although he obviously didnt do the work to the standard expected he still did alot of work according to your thread, spare time or not must of been a good few hours and for that reason i cant see how he owes you money, just getting the 2 cars together must be a big job in itself.

RS Grant

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If you'd paid the whole amount, then I'd have gone after a refund for a percentage of it.

However, he did do some work and if I'm honest, you can't really complain about the quality and that it wasn't done to perfection because, IMO, you should have inspected some of his previous work to check the standard it was completed to before you agreed to let him do the work on your car.

I don't mean this to come across as harsh, it's just my opinion and I hope you end up happy whatever your decision is mate.


Cheers,
Grant

Chip

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People like the OP actually really piss me off TBH.

You arrange to get a job done cheap on the basis that someone does it in their spare time as and when it is convenient to them, and then you bitch it is taking ages.

If you want it done quickly, dont arrange a deal where you get it cheap in exchange for it being on the back burner

He's done the work he has been paid for, I think you dont have a leg to stand on asking him to give you the money back so he has then done all that work for nothing, why the fuck would he do that? Are you a registered charity or something?

-beefy-

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in cutch's defense on this suituation chip he did actually state to billy that he wanted it doing in an alotted time and when billy started the project he said that wouldnt be an issue , and that he had enough " spare time " between the current jobs in the garage to complete it in that time ,

ive had many many fonecalls on the progress of the car with cutch over the past year and it seems to me two things have happend


1. with cutch's nature of work ( offshore 3-4 wk stints ) billys said ill have x y and z done by the time you get back .... in the very beginning this was the case when it was just doing the striaghtforward bits like blasting and cutting the shells so progress looked like it was being made at a steady pace , but gradually the works became less and less ...

2. cutch , like alot of folk fell into the " mate trap " , billy gave it the big un about being mates ," ill look after ya" ect , and when it came down to actual lack of progress billy just piled on the sob storys and excuses as to why this wasnt done ect , and dramas outside of work n the like

probably cutch's fault for being to nice for his own good and letting it slide on occaision , just meant when he gave billy an inch , he took a mile ....



imo , and me and steven are good friends

id say part of the work is substandard , and some of it was done to the best of billys abilites ..... if its cost you 1500 to have the shell blasted , and the amount of work hes done included , id say leave it be mate

i know its pissed you off , but we all get burned from time to time , you have the advantage of aly doing a blinder on the project now ,

why not approach billy and see if he can compensate you another way for the time wasted, other than giving you out and out cash you know he wont have ???


i.e a guvvy bit of spraying on a future car , or blasting all your parts and 2 k painting them ??


tough one i know , but thats the way id go about it



or... take the bike , ill buy it cheap lol

Chip

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Fair enough Beefy if the bloke was making promises, just read on here like it was always going to be a background task for him so I wouldnt have expected him to be putting dates to things.

I still maintain though that he has done what he has been paid to do so far, so I dont feel he owes any money back personally.

FletchCossie

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Why should he be compensated Beef? Because someone has taken the piss a bit and taken longer than he should of to complete a job. Was it taken into account the extra rust found on the car that had to be repaired, making the job longer?

-beefy-

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prob is chip , cutch is typing away on an angloan oil rig and hasnt really put his side over properly ,


and as stated i totally agree the amount of work hes done is prob about right for the money spent ,

i do feel cutch's biggest gripe with the situation is the time its taken and the fact it was excuse after excuse ,


imo theres room there for billy ( if he does see cutch as a mate ) to make ammends by offering some kind of gesture to get the project bk on track ,



however i dont think stevens ever going to see any cold hard cash


hence going the other way about it ,



i suppose its like if you got into this postion over an engine chip ( not saying u would ) ,

but you may not nessacarliy have the cash to pay back , but it wouldnt stop you offering to help re fit or map it would it fella ??



beef

Chip

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Personally im cash rich and time poor at the moment, so if I did have an unhappy customer I would find it easier to pay them back than do more work TBH
But I know what you are saying, some sort of gesture always tends to go down well when people are upset, no matter how trivial.

scoooby slayer

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if ure cash rich then hurry up and get a decent engine in that nova thatl last more than a day lol

YOREVOL

just read the resto thread and i cant decide about a refund.
yes the highlited welding is pisspoor but i think alot of time has gone into getting the floorpan in. break it down into manhours, then divide that into £1500. i dont think it will be much. i may be wrong but im planning a mk4 conversion and im waiting till my house is a bit more finished so i have more free time.
i think you should stay mates with billy but remind him everytime he quotes you for a paintjob how much hes already had out of you. and dont let him near a job like this again.

cutch

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I know he's prob done 1500 quids worth of work guys, but i had been away for a couple of 5 week trips and the same rattle cans or tools were lying on the car in exactly the same place when i get back with no work been done. all the time telling me he's skint etc. warned him the first time when it happened. shouldnt have warned him the second but i did and third time I fired him, To be honest its not the money, just want it back cos hes wasted so much of my time, I wanted to show it this year and after being down at pod a couple of times with beefy, spesh,wenny paul etc it realy pissed me off. all the time i get the I'm skint remarks and even though he's out bevying constantly, and the one that really really pissed me off, pleaded with me to give him more money cos he needed to buy the panels (which should have been bought with the original 1500) and he went out and got fkn steaming all weekend with the cash that he "needed cos his dad was going to fire him, throw him out etcand posted the pics on facebook so i could see at work 6000 miles away!

dont know guys, dont mind the harsh comments, dont want to act like a cunt but i think i've been made to look like one!

YOREVOL

i agree totally that hes made you look a cunt but i do think youve had £1500 of work like i said remind him when he quotes for spray jobs.
i am liking the look of it and would love to see it now before assembly to get some pointers for mine. i think its too far away though.

FletchCossie

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His taken the piss with the time scale and you have already got him back, as to me £4k for the job he promised is cheap. He did a shit load of work for £1500, which he will not get the extra £2k now, so has done himself out of pocket.

Just walk away from it and dont bother going back to him and be honest to anyone you speak to about it i.e. Saying "His work was shit" when it wasn't, but his attitude and timescale was.

cutch

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no i wouldnt, his works great, really is, i have seen some amazing things he has done. really is one of the best painters out there, just cant figure out why he screwed this up so much, the only thing i can think of is he got frightened doing the rear end. I even asked him, told him if it was that we could work something out but he would need to tell me the problem so i could help!

-beefy-

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imo he should be compensated in the respect of him so called being a mate ,


i dunno mabey im wrong , but id like to think if it was me who had messed someone i claim to be a friend for that amount of time id make every effort to smooth things over .

suppose it boils down to having a bit of self respect .....



and taking the piss a bit is putting it lightly imo fletch , granted your looking at this from the perspective of an outsider , but having been mutual friend with both steven and billy on fb and seeing billy blatanly pissing cutch's hard earned up the wall whilst pleading povertey ect to me isnt taking the piss a bit ......


and regards the rust , billy knew full well at the very beginning what was involved , the shell was blasted aswell


so for him to explain away 6 months lack of progress on a bit of extra rust just dosent fucking wash with me !! .....



end of the day its steven's decision ,



but for me he souldnt even have to ask , billy should be making the effort ,

katluke

Id just let it go,it wont be easy but as has been stated earlier in thread most people have been burned one time or another.He has done a lot of work but if you were not happy you maybe should of sacked him a bit earlier on in the project.It looks to be in good hands now though

FletchCossie

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I understand exactly where ya coming from mate, bug his already said in the first post that his someone he knows rather than a mate, so this Billy owes him nothing IMO. Steven has paid for half a job and got half a job done. If time scales were not agreed to the car should be pulled out and taken elsewhere like it has.

If Billy gave a shit about Steven he wouldn't of done this in the first place and done what he said he would. He owes Steven nothing IMO, no matter how long it has taken to do the work and why it's taken this long. As someone else said if he paid for the full job then he's money would be owed cause a full job wasn't done.

I would just leave it and not bother with the bloke again if it was me.

dingla rs

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there a lota working in cutting two cars up and then welding the front section in ie front rite to were tunnel ends ,yes the welds are bit messy on one section floor ,i for one would say he done 1500quids worth work , its not easy always been able do work in ur spare time few hours here and there ,bit different to puting a man on full time ,like is now happening its easy say rust dosnt take time to repair as stated above .but how many saying that are fabricators /pannel beaters

Mk1-stu

Personally i'd say it's a crap shoot. Tell him your not satisfied with the work done over the time scale and see what he says. you could just ask him - what's the worst that can happen..? he'll tell you to get fucked !

Andy_R

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small world innit? slim chance of getting any money back i'd have thought Cutch!

Billy shouldnt have taken the job on, he simply hasn't the experience for the work involved in this sort of conversion. He's a good painter granted and has fitted some decent body kits over the years but this was way out his league.

rstdave

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Won't be the first and won't be the last time someone offers to do a job for you (usually at some sort of reduced rate), and then fucks you about over getting the job done......been there done that and tbh i'd rather save up now and get a job done properly or not at all if i can't do it myself!
Hate relying on others to do things for you hence why most project cars that get completed to a high standard/on time etc are either done by someone prepared and capable to do all the work themselves with good mates or the other side who have thoudands to give to a reputable tuner/builder!
Think you should just put this one down to experience and learn from it, you'll know not to let him do anything again and sounds like the sort that will be an absolute nightmare trying to get money out of so just not worth any more agro imo.

cutch

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Yeah, i think it I will leave it

Thanks for the comments guys.

Still pisses me off though!

MikeyRobbo

i'd demand my money back, you paid for something, and it wasn't completed, if you paid for a personalised cake, that took months and only a quarter came, you'd be demanding your money back straight away.

Bad example to give, but you get the idea