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29-05-2011, 06:38 PM
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Ive done many miles in a citoren zx 1.9d & landrover discovery tdi 200 series using new veg oil.... Ive run them both neat with no probs what so ever but would recommend a 50/50 mix for day to day (summer time) & 25 veg / 75 derv for winter.. most old style mechanical inj diesel cars will run it , Even better if the car has a bosch pump these appear to have better internal seals an hold up to veg use better , Saying that neither of my cars did an i never had a problem just keep the fuel filters changed regular.....
The last lot of veg oil i purchased in bulk 60p per litre ish approx 3.5 years back (for those who havent seen b4)
Im currently moveing over to an electric bike now 4 local trips and my commute to work saves keep handing over my hard earned to the greedy goverment...
The last lot of veg oil i purchased in bulk 60p per litre ish approx 3.5 years back (for those who havent seen b4)
Im currently moveing over to an electric bike now 4 local trips and my commute to work saves keep handing over my hard earned to the greedy goverment...
29-05-2011, 06:43 PM
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Got really get this as its still costing you £1 per litre for veg oil so hardly a huge saving is it? if you could get veg oil for say 40p a litre then it would be worth it
29-05-2011, 07:19 PM
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29-05-2011, 07:34 PM
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yes my mate has just procured cheap a 2003 tdci mondeo that had been run on it and its fucked,no iffs and buts its done for and now needs a set of injectors and if its not that more fucking about and $$$'s,its been in a diesel specialist we know 5 times and runs like a bag of wank dude so don't do it
29-05-2011, 07:41 PM
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hey dude bp charges 1.46 a litre for regular city diesel and if farm foods sell a ltr of best for only £1 how can you not see with the right vehicle theres a substantial saving to be made ?.
correct me if i'm wrong but £1.46 a ltr is £6.57 a gallon, so if you got farmfoods veg oil @ £1.00 a ltr its £4.50 a gallon so theres a saving right here
29-05-2011, 10:28 PM
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Tesco 3L oil went up by over a quid last week 
mainly cos of threads like this 
I've been running it for years, bosch pumps are stronger and will run 100 new oil ok, lucas pumps dont like the extra viscosaty (sp?) and need it thinning or heating, more so in the winter or they will break.
It works better the older the engine IME, my Mk4 esort, P100 and pre banana transit love it and do more to the gallon and run smoother on it but they are all lucas pumps so i only use 50/50 with some added 2 stroke, my later Lucida with a bosch pump does more to the gallon but only half as mutch as the other 3 also it doesn't run any smoother or quieter, i put that down to being designed to run on more modern diesel
Pugs with bosch pumps will run 100% all day long, my old 205 T diesel ran it for 3 years at 60PMG on a run
A few other things, SVO is new oil, WVO is waist oil filterd, Bio is waist oil processed, WVO tends to give less power due to use, SVO tends to gain power over diesel (again in older vehicals and only IME, i dont run vehicals later than 1990 )
Also bio SVO WVO ect tend to clean all the shite out the system so a new filter change will happen soon after using it and may last 2 or 3 filter changes before the system is clean, also WVO not filterd to a fine enough extent will continue to block filters as well.
Waist oil needs heating and allowing to settle, the water needs taking out and then it's filterd through very very fine filters, to make bio it goes through a few more stages to remove fats and soaps that will thin it further than just plain oil.
Thats not ment to be gospel just what i've found over the last few years if it helps
mainly cos of threads like this I've been running it for years, bosch pumps are stronger and will run 100 new oil ok, lucas pumps dont like the extra viscosaty (sp?) and need it thinning or heating, more so in the winter or they will break.
It works better the older the engine IME, my Mk4 esort, P100 and pre banana transit love it and do more to the gallon and run smoother on it but they are all lucas pumps so i only use 50/50 with some added 2 stroke, my later Lucida with a bosch pump does more to the gallon but only half as mutch as the other 3 also it doesn't run any smoother or quieter, i put that down to being designed to run on more modern diesel
Pugs with bosch pumps will run 100% all day long, my old 205 T diesel ran it for 3 years at 60PMG on a run
A few other things, SVO is new oil, WVO is waist oil filterd, Bio is waist oil processed, WVO tends to give less power due to use, SVO tends to gain power over diesel (again in older vehicals and only IME, i dont run vehicals later than 1990 )
Also bio SVO WVO ect tend to clean all the shite out the system so a new filter change will happen soon after using it and may last 2 or 3 filter changes before the system is clean, also WVO not filterd to a fine enough extent will continue to block filters as well.
Waist oil needs heating and allowing to settle, the water needs taking out and then it's filterd through very very fine filters, to make bio it goes through a few more stages to remove fats and soaps that will thin it further than just plain oil.
Thats not ment to be gospel just what i've found over the last few years if it helps
29-05-2011, 11:12 PM
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IMO if your a regular diesel user your better off in the longrun sourcing out a cheap source of WVO and doing it properly making good quality bio diesel that will run fine in almost all cars in all but the most extreme winter conditions undiluted with normal diesel.
30-05-2011, 08:50 PM
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IMO if your a regular diesel user your better off in the longrun sourcing out a cheap source of WVO and doing it properly making good quality bio diesel that will run fine in almost all cars in all but the most extreme winter conditions undiluted with normal diesel.
really you need to be getting it free cos once you add in the loss of volume and the chemicals/equipment you need to refine it it's not quite a cheap as it sounds in the first place Mind you if i owned a new motor that didn't love SVO i might be temped to make BIO myself but for me the benifits outwiegh the losses so it's horses for courses and obv like you say the more miles you do the less the equipment costs you per Ltr.
There are more and more big companys making Bio now so it will only get harger to find, we all know how big companys kill off the indiviual eventually
30-05-2011, 09:09 PM
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rape seed based oil is a very good bio fuel we look after the sony bus from basingstoke with a new daf dmci fuel system engine in it it will start and warm up on diesil then run only on rape seed oil its never been in with a fuel fault! then the others we look after are as ive stated in another post the golden west mc donnalds trucks they have daf 75s and 85s these have 6 unit pumps they also have a few daf 65s with the cummins ce engine these are commen rail golden west make there own fuel from there waste oil they run 100% and have a good tank heater system as the bio fuel needs to be the same viscosity as diesil again they dont have fuel system faults other than in the cold when the drivers dont turn on the tank heater system which can lead to filters being blocked!
31-05-2011, 12:29 AM
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The trouble with WVO is when refined into bio you loose volume, 1 ltr of WVO can end up as 1/2 Ltr of bio really you need to be getting it free cos once you add in the loss of volume and the chemicals/equipment you need to refine it it's not quite a cheap as it sounds in the first place
Mind you if i owned a new motor that didn't love SVO i might be temped to make BIO myself but for me the benifits outwiegh the losses so it's horses for courses and obv like you say the more miles you do the less the equipment costs you per Ltr.
There are more and more big companys making Bio now so it will only get harger to find, we all know how big companys kill off the indiviual eventually
really you need to be getting it free cos once you add in the loss of volume and the chemicals/equipment you need to refine it it's not quite a cheap as it sounds in the first place Mind you if i owned a new motor that didn't love SVO i might be temped to make BIO myself but for me the benifits outwiegh the losses so it's horses for courses and obv like you say the more miles you do the less the equipment costs you per Ltr.
There are more and more big companys making Bio now so it will only get harger to find, we all know how big companys kill off the indiviual eventually
so its not bad like you think. WVO can be 30% water plus upto 10% particulate matter so in reality its not as bad as you think. This is why WVO doesnt burn as well as SVO because its got lots of crap and water in it!!the actual chemical reaction is 100 parts by weight veg oil reacted with 10 parts methanol to give 100 parts biodiesel and 10 parts glycerine. Normally you use heat and a hydroxide based catalyst to promote the reaction.
so if you do it properly there is no reason why you cant get almost as much biodiesel as CLEAN DRY WVO you react. typical yeilds from plants ive seen are 90-95% of the clean dry WVO.
But yes you are right, WVO is viable only when you get it cheap enough. There are still plenty of takeaways and restaurants that regularly pay to have their oils disposed of so the market is still there to get it dirt cheap, but it will take leg work and effort no doubt.
My mate who does it costs him this in chemicals per litre (based on him doing 100 litre batchs and buying in bulk the chemicals every couple of months).
methanol approx 10p a litre
hydroxide catalyst 1p "
electric cost 2p "
water cost 1p "
waste carriers license 2p " (based on you making your 2500 allowance)
so total cost is 17p a litre on top of the cost of your WVO.
plus obviously the cost of the equipment and the cost of your time.
My mate gets his oil from one place for free, another for 30p a litre and another 40p a litre.
so clearly he is making massive savings.
even if you pay £1 a litre, it would still be worth it for someone using a modern diesel and doing high miles as the savings would still add up.
13-07-2011, 09:36 PM
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in the medium term future, the best solution for veg oil will probably be to get it through a mate in the catering trade.
its getting to the point where the deliberate price fixing of veg oils are harming the catering trade so it wont be long before there is enough political pressure to investigate price fixing on the food product.
i do wonder if the government would barter with the veg oil producers to help both the catering industry and government revenues by reducing or removing the veg oil 2500 litre tax free rule....
after all, proportionately diesel will continue to rise in price to the point where the veg oil suppliers will bankrupt their own business through catering industry collapsing if they continue to try and keep pace with diesel costs. cant see the government allowing that.
its getting to the point where the deliberate price fixing of veg oils are harming the catering trade so it wont be long before there is enough political pressure to investigate price fixing on the food product.
i do wonder if the government would barter with the veg oil producers to help both the catering industry and government revenues by reducing or removing the veg oil 2500 litre tax free rule....
after all, proportionately diesel will continue to rise in price to the point where the veg oil suppliers will bankrupt their own business through catering industry collapsing if they continue to try and keep pace with diesel costs. cant see the government allowing that.
13-07-2011, 10:18 PM
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Run this on it for 29k...
It was Bosh Pumped, Semi-ECU controlled, XUD9TE engined 406. (1.9TD for the less interested).
Boost was turned up from 14psi to 22psi,
The pump was advanced to allow the fuel to enter the cylinder sooner as it burned for longer,
The fueling was increased,
The boost compensator was modified slightly to give me less off boost smoke,
The cold idle adjusted to around 1200rpm, warm idle adjusted to settle around 1000rpm.
The bloody thing would fly, would do 0-60 in 9seconds but I would have to pull off in second, raping the clutch and pull it through the 'drop off' to get it to do 9s. And it would sit on it's 4750rpm rev limiter ~115mph.
Any diesel engine can run on veg oil in theory. It's the injection system thats the problem.
ALL diesels can be run on BioDiesel. FACT
Problem is the difference between someone who enjoys making their own fuel in their shed and someone who makes it and sells it.
Methanol is used in the creation of biodiesel. Methanol will eat seals like no tommorow.
This methanol needs to be removed, a man in a shed will probably spend hours and hours perfecting this.
Someone who is making it to sell, probably won't.
Lots of people are buying veg oil, wattering it down with all sorts of solvents and some diesel, and selling it as biodiesel.
These bosch pumped engines will run on 100% veg oil, old engine oil, gearbox oil etc etc.
The engine may be abit ropey when cold (hunting for idle) but with good glowplugs and a slight advance of the fuel pump you can minimize this, I managed to get the hunting to stop altogether by increasing the idle.
Although because the veg oil is denser it will pull forward any crap in the fuel tank, which is why you need to change your filter as very regular intervals when you start running it, after a few changes you have no need
Simply find a wholesalers or a good deal in a supermarket, buy and pour in. Make a note of how much your putting in and your mileage in a little book and keep it in your car. <-- If you get pulled and you can't prove to them how much you've used, they may sieze your car
Just rmember if you stop over the 2499 litres per anum limit you have to pay tax on the whole 2500 litres. But thats still 20,000 miles a year +
Or if you can find a chippy willing to give/sell you their waste oil, you can filter this out and use that in your car.
Only other issue is veg oil and biodiesel destroys the oil too, you need to change this ideally every 3k/3months, 4k/4months at the MAXIMUM!
But just chuck the oil engine oil in the fuel tank, it's 'illegal' but I belive it could be called as an 'additive' in small quantities
In the summer run it completley neat, 100% veg.
In the autmn/spring I was putting 1litre of petrol in, 250ml of two stroke and 500ml of old engine oil.
In the winter I was putting 3 litres of petrol in, 500ml of two stroke and a litre of oil.
Infact I went to costco and found they were selling 25L of new engine oil for £25... I almost bought it to run my car on it, but I decided against it. last thing I was is my car siezed.
It was Bosh Pumped, Semi-ECU controlled, XUD9TE engined 406. (1.9TD for the less interested).
Boost was turned up from 14psi to 22psi,
The pump was advanced to allow the fuel to enter the cylinder sooner as it burned for longer,
The fueling was increased,
The boost compensator was modified slightly to give me less off boost smoke,
The cold idle adjusted to around 1200rpm, warm idle adjusted to settle around 1000rpm.
The bloody thing would fly, would do 0-60 in 9seconds but I would have to pull off in second, raping the clutch and pull it through the 'drop off' to get it to do 9s. And it would sit on it's 4750rpm rev limiter ~115mph.
Any diesel engine can run on veg oil in theory. It's the injection system thats the problem.
ALL diesels can be run on BioDiesel. FACT
Problem is the difference between someone who enjoys making their own fuel in their shed and someone who makes it and sells it.
Methanol is used in the creation of biodiesel. Methanol will eat seals like no tommorow.
This methanol needs to be removed, a man in a shed will probably spend hours and hours perfecting this.
Someone who is making it to sell, probably won't.
Lots of people are buying veg oil, wattering it down with all sorts of solvents and some diesel, and selling it as biodiesel.
These bosch pumped engines will run on 100% veg oil, old engine oil, gearbox oil etc etc.
The engine may be abit ropey when cold (hunting for idle) but with good glowplugs and a slight advance of the fuel pump you can minimize this, I managed to get the hunting to stop altogether by increasing the idle.
Although because the veg oil is denser it will pull forward any crap in the fuel tank, which is why you need to change your filter as very regular intervals when you start running it, after a few changes you have no need
Simply find a wholesalers or a good deal in a supermarket, buy and pour in. Make a note of how much your putting in and your mileage in a little book and keep it in your car. <-- If you get pulled and you can't prove to them how much you've used, they may sieze your car
Just rmember if you stop over the 2499 litres per anum limit you have to pay tax on the whole 2500 litres. But thats still 20,000 miles a year +
Or if you can find a chippy willing to give/sell you their waste oil, you can filter this out and use that in your car.
Only other issue is veg oil and biodiesel destroys the oil too, you need to change this ideally every 3k/3months, 4k/4months at the MAXIMUM!
But just chuck the oil engine oil in the fuel tank, it's 'illegal' but I belive it could be called as an 'additive' in small quantities
In the summer run it completley neat, 100% veg.
In the autmn/spring I was putting 1litre of petrol in, 250ml of two stroke and 500ml of old engine oil.
In the winter I was putting 3 litres of petrol in, 500ml of two stroke and a litre of oil.
Infact I went to costco and found they were selling 25L of new engine oil for £25... I almost bought it to run my car on it, but I decided against it. last thing I was is my car siezed.
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How would 50 veg/50 red work in the eyes of the law?still illegal no doubt?
I've got access to 1000's of gallons of oil,will literally anything do(aside from cutting oil of course,although that's possibly still ok???))).
