scoooby slayer

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has anybody any first hand experience exactly how much more grip i will get with an r888 above a pirelli p-zero ?

Twins

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Best ask the time attack boys

Miller 3

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Categorically, undoubtedly, stupendously NOT at your power level lol

scoooby slayer

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not worth Ł650 to change the rears then ?

turbotoaster

you will get more grip with 888s than which pzeros thats a given.

will it be enough for you to stock wheelspining, no.

will it be enough for you to gain more traction in higher gears than before, yes

what rear wheels are you running 19x11 or 19x12?

scoooby slayer

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there actually 19x10 on the back, 19x8 on the front. id probably go 295 when i change them as they are id guess maximum width fitable on the rims !

Miller 3

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Well Dave Jackson in his escos could only run low boost in the first Time Attack race as it was just lighting up the rears with id guess 600hp... Iv heard that the new dunlop SP2's? are meant to be pretty good or some new yokies also, but what they are im not sure mate?

Spiky

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A048's will be better for you than r888's

Jay,

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what he says lol

scoooby slayer

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do they grip better then ? mainly how much better than pirellis ?

Jay,

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they are 1000 times better than p zero's karl and id say 10 times better than r888's with grip and lasting qualities

Spiky

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They don't go off as quick, as for grip levels not sure yet

scoooby slayer

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sweet cheers jay, the annoying thing is i have 1 brand new 305/30/19 pirelli here that came with the car but there Ł300 each and i aint spending Ł300 on a turd, id rather spend Ł600 on gold and sell what i have here tbh.

scoooby slayer

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/295-30-19-YOKOHAMA-AD08-TRACKDAY-ROAD-TYRES-2953019-/170475977061?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&hash=item27b128f9 65

what about those, only ones i could find ad08s ?


or 888s are actually cheaper

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/295-30ZR19-Toy...item3f081c6ab2

i want to drop from 305 to 295 so i gain 5mm clearance then i can hopefully remove the wheel spacer so gain 10mm outside clearance overall then soften rear suspension for more squat ready for pod launch.

Luca

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Ao48 for me too last much longer than 888s

scoooby slayer

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do they grip better though mate ?

Jay,

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yes they and last better

scoooby slayer

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they dont do ao48s in 19s

i can get r888s though for Ł270

the question is though how much grip will i gain over the pirellis ? im thinking about trying some 150 lb springs in the back to get it proper squating.
i dont wana spend Ł600 on tyres and still have no grip below 100 mph lol

RickyLee53

I'd get some Mickey T's for pod, and some a048's or something for the road.

Jay,

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the grip from 888's over pzero is miles better it is like night and day

scoooby slayer

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well mate if its night and day i best be ordering some soon then

R5FORD

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I love how some
Jap cars can run massivly wide wheels my mates got a set of 18x12" for his rear and 18x10" for the front of his supra

scoooby slayer

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thats what previous owner should of bought when he bought new wheels, theres plenty of room between the rim and body, suspension etc and car was been widened to take it.
i dont fancy buying new wheels though the 19s on it are mint.
but that being said 295 or 305 on the back should still grip fairly good.

stevieturbo

You need to consider usage.

Ive had various rear tyres, and TBH normal road tyres are fairly useless on normal roads when putting the foot down.
But for road driving they are totally fine at legal speeds with the added benefit of being usable in the wet. ( again driving very normally )

By comparison....well, I can still easily smoke 888's or V70's around 100mph or so. So are they any better ? Are they worth it ?

Very difficult to answer. The 888's do grip better and they last surprisingly well ( I got about 3k for rears before illegal ).

V70's due to crappy tread depth design, were barely only 1500 miles before they were illegal and they dont grip as well as the 888's

Would I buy either again for road use ? No. Simply not worth the extra money when even at silly speeds there is still no grip.

But for limited summer use, I am going to consider the Federal FZ201 or whatever it is. Simply because it looks good, is available in my size and seems damn good value compared to 888's etc !!
255/40x17 rear priced at around Ł125 ea.

But no way will I pay Ł2-300 for a single tyre that I know wont grip anyway.

I also considered the Hankook RS2 or whatever it is. But that Federal just looks good.
Havent bought them yet though, as car is in lots of pieces lol

Last road tyres I had were Hankook Evo12's at the back. They arent bad. Marangoni also make some decent tyres that arent silly money.
I have a pair on the front and did try them briefly at the rear and was surprised how good they were for normal cheap tyres. Actually better than the Hankooks I have on the back and that's a smaller tyre too.

scoooby slayer

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i got a new pirelli with the car so selling that and the 2 good tyres it has will cover 1 and a bit 888s so near enough. racelogic will have to do the rest on the 19s

what tyres do you run at pod ?

Rod-Tarry

I have 2nd gear grip with 888's only better ive used is Dunlop DO1J which are now obsolete. Tyres are not the problem in this case. You need to control the squat not just increase it. I got BAD to advise on mine & they fitted dual springs to control the squat. Think it can squat 30mm or so before its controlled its not my area so let the experts work it out. Works though, press the pedal & it piss's off up the road ( in the dry with tyres warmed up).
As regards Race Logic i got them to set mine up before Totb & the 5 fastest drags were done with it switched 'off' it really is just masking a bigger problem & not very well either.

turbotoaster

that very much does suprise me mate, i assumed you were running recent widths all around.

one it being a big power supra it is sort of a given you have wide wheels, but then running a wide body id have thought the previous owner would have done it just so he can get some wider rubber on the back.

as i mentioned to you before, im got wide arches on mine now just so i can run 285s on front and 335s on the rear)my 888s are Ł350 each!!!

plus im about 600kg lighter than you and have less than half the power so god knows how you get on.

i always wonder how people cope with 500bhp cossies on 205/40/17s when i could spin 255s up with 350bhp.

would you think in the future of getting this done:

putting your rear wheels on the front, then having your front wheels spilt(they look like split rims) and having 4inch added into them and stick them on the rear.

Its quite a popular thing to have done and if done properly will be just as strong as before.

also if they arnt split rims it will make no difference as they can be done anyway.

if you want some detailed pics i can show you to give you ideas?

scoooby slayer

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the widest 19" r888 are 305/30/19s and they will fit on my rim but im gonna run 295/30/19 rather than bulge it out.
if i want 335 r888s id need to run 18" rims.

scoooby slayer

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i dont want to be chasing my tail rod so first things first fit best road legal tyres available which im hoping will find me some traction in 3rd gear at least, then look at spring rates if im still not happy.
rltc is ok in lower gears but 3rd gear doesnt feel good when it cuts in.
the squat should of helped abit but it seemed to do absolutely nothing, although the tyres have loads of tread on them they are probably 2 years old now as its been stood and they are only a road preformance tyre not a racing derived semi slick like the 888s so surely have to help up in the gears.
do you kinow what rear spring rates you run ? im tempted to put in 150lb springs like i put on my saph thats used to drop its arse and grip and explode the diff lol

turbotoaster

ah that sucks, and your looking at Ł1000 for a new set of 18s in 18x10f/18x12r then another 1000 for tyres for it, 2k is alot of money to throw around for traction.

still those 888s should help improve things, you also need to look at camber changes as the car squats as thats important.

theres no point in the car having 60mm of squart if your tyres add 3 degrees of camber as then you have less footprint.

have you done any research on that yet as if maybe you might need to pull some camber out of the static(not moving) setup

scoooby slayer

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havnt looked yet, once tyres are on and if im still not happy shocks are coming off and softer springs going on. tyre wear at the moment seems perfect tbh dead square.
it does squat and drives really nice not bouncing around on solid suspension like the gtr did.
i have no illusions grip in 1st is never going to happen on any road tyre, 2nd maybe and 3rd is a must.
if needs be i will add adjustable suspension gotta look into it if needs be.
this is just road/track setup so handling and grip, i want some 17" with massive drag tyres on for pod if im gonna try do it properly.

stevieturbo

Ive used various tyres at Santa Pod.

Fastest was MT ET STreets wrinkle walls. MT DR's not far behind. Although could maybe have pushed them harder.

Also use Nitto 555R which worked well and netted me my first 10s run ( 10.5 ) a few years ago.

Also used 888's at Santa Pod and they were like driving on ice. No grip at all.


I have some Hoosier DR's here too that Ive used locally on an airflield along with the MT's

Of all the tyres Ive tried the Hoosiers do grip the best, although Ive never used them at Santa Pod.

But different tyres just work differently on various surfaces and road/track conditions.

Ive had those same Hoosiers and 888's break loose at 190mph on a less than ideal track, which tends to scare the shit clean out of you.

scoooby slayer

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feck me 190 mph spinning ! im looking into drag tyres but im limited to 17" rims as rear brakes are massive and i dont want to take them off.

stevieturbo

17" is no problem. Most of the major brands offer 275/40x17 in their drag radials.

Whilst none of them are road legal, the Nitto 555R would be a good compromise if you wanted to use them on the road. As at least they have a sensible looking tread pattern.

Nitto also do a 315/35x17 in the 555R

turbotoaster

where do you get nittos from stevie as only place i know is either the US or AUS

scoooby slayer

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not bothered about legal stevie 888s will have to do, next on the list is some cheapy 17" rims for some drag radials
what rwhp is your granada mate 1000 ?

stevieturbo

Only place for Nitto's is the US.

Although places like Hauser, Andy Robinson Race Cars etc would be able to source them.

Due to postage, there really isnt any huge saving involved buying direct from the US.

But is it road legal, or to use on the road to/from a venue or purely for racing and never on the road ?

Whilst the Nitto's are not road legal, you'd probably get away with them on the road as they are a reasonably normal looking tyre. The only thing they lack is the E-marking
DOT marked means nothing here although it satisfies most drag strips for street legal, just as it is in the US.

If it's outright grip, I think I'd say go for the Hoosier drag radial and then the Mickey T. Hoosier just looks like a slick though. Last 2 pairs I just bought direct from Hoosier in the UK. Fuck they aint cheap !!

As for power, I dont really know, but it's sure as hell nowhere near as high as 1000rwhp

scoooby slayer

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stevie what about these ?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MTT-3723R/

305/35/19 mt radials, its says dot so i assume they would be legal and ok for pod ?

stevieturbo

That's just the normal drag radial. Perfectly fine for any "road legal" racing at the Pod. TOTB also accept it.

scoooby slayer

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are they actually legally useable on uk roads ?

your chevy v8 twin turbo aint ya stevie ? the missus just asked we just watched your pod video