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Old 27-02-2011, 10:08 AM
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Nope beams fine the cars just undergone a year and a half restoration. So all looks good. If anything the wheel sits closer to the front of the arch so towards the door more
Old 27-02-2011, 10:10 AM
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well in that case i would put the coilovers back on, and put up with a slightly harder ride.

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Old 27-02-2011, 10:11 AM
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Thats not my style mate id rather just spend time figuring the problem out
Old 27-02-2011, 10:20 AM
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ok, so you are saying the one side is fine 'CORRECT', if so take the shock and spring off the good side and swap them over.

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Old 27-02-2011, 10:29 AM
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Is your arb ok?
I know my 3dr felt really bad on the back end with a 3dr arb so I've fitted one from a escort Cosworth
Old 27-02-2011, 10:31 AM
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What im going to do is take a koni of my old mans 500 and put it on the driver side of mine and give that a go.. Failing that il try organise a new rear beam
Old 27-02-2011, 10:32 AM
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Forgot to mention i have not got an arb but would that make a diffrence?
Old 27-02-2011, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
Forgot to mention i have not got an arb but would that make a diffrence?
i would think it makes a big difference with a non coilover setup yes.

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Old 27-02-2011, 10:35 AM
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In what way?
Old 27-02-2011, 10:38 AM
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well the ARB gives opposing force to side that is being compressed, so if the drives side suspension is being compressed, the twisting force of the ARB on the passenger side tries to help compensate the drivers side, not the best explanation but i think you know what i mean.

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Old 27-02-2011, 10:41 AM
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so in other words it tries to counter balance the other side? Would that still be the case when theres no speed involved etc?
Old 27-02-2011, 10:47 AM
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yes, as soon as any pressure is put on one side or ther other, the ARB automatically tries to compensate. even when slowly moving of a drive or kerb etc

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Old 27-02-2011, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by nugnah
yes, as soon as any pressure is put on one side or ther other, the ARB automatically tries to compensate. even when slowly moving of a drive or kerb etc

jas

O ok so that colu be part of the problem
Old 27-02-2011, 10:52 AM
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have you got the spring rubbers on on both sides. i'd get the tape measure out and do some measurements. get it on level ground. (garage) measure rear arm to chassis both sides without shocks connected. they should be the same within a small margin.
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Originally Posted by a rs licker
have you got the spring rubbers on on both sides. i'd get the tape measure out and do some measurements. get it on level ground. (garage) measure rear arm to chassis both sides without shocks connected. they should be the same within a small margin.

The car sits level at the rear on flat ground mate.. its when im backing out my drivewy or pulling in on full left lock and the driver side rear is the lowest point its going like that
Old 27-02-2011, 11:03 AM
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most uprated springs are uprated by 20% over standard, most coilovers are around 350pound rating which is alot more than standard, that is why the coilovers are able to deal with the lack of ARB.

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Originally Posted by R5FORD
The car sits level at the rear on flat ground mate.. its when im backing out my drivewy or pulling in on full left lock and the driver side rear is the lowest point its going like that
If you have no arb on I think that will be your problem, you must be driving off your drive at a angle? So that puts most of the weight on one spring instead of the other size helping it out.

Also wouldn't bother fitting a 3dr arb because they are crap.

You car must feel very unstable at 80+mph? Give you steering a little left to right at 80 and see how it feels. Lol.
Old 27-02-2011, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by B13 JUS
If you have no arb on I think that will be your problem, you must be driving off your drive at a angle? So that puts most of the weight on one spring instead of the other size helping it out.

Also wouldn't bother fitting a 3dr arb because they are crap.

You car must feel very unstable at 80+mph? Give you steering a little left to right at 80 and see how it feels. Lol.

I noticed that when i steer it does feel unstable even at low speeds and i couldnt pin point what the problem is/was just assumed it was tracking.

How hard isit to fit a escort one?
Old 27-02-2011, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nugnah
most uprated springs are uprated by 20% over standard, most coilovers are around 350pound rating which is alot more than standard, that is why the coilovers are able to deal with the lack of ARB.

jas

Makes sense thats probly why it never had one as it did have coilovers originally
Old 27-02-2011, 11:33 AM
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next question.. everyone says the 3dr anti roll bar is crap and dosent do anything how can this be the case if its doing this ti my setup?
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picture of said drive. it must be like the side of Everest. perhaps you need a Range Rover.
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Originally Posted by a rs licker
picture of said drive. it must be like the side of Everest. perhaps you need a Range Rover.

its nothing major mate.. my saph used to get in nd out easily and thaw was lowered 30mm on 17's
Old 27-02-2011, 11:37 AM
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Il take the car out again tomoorow and do an all around shot of both sides so people can get an idea
Old 27-02-2011, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
I noticed that when i steer it does feel unstable even at low speeds and i couldnt pin point what the problem is/was just assumed it was tracking.

How hard isit to fit a escort one?
It's not to hard mate but the way I did it, you will have to drill 4 holes inside the boot to bolt the new arb in place.
I can give you measurements and pictures of how to do it if you like?
Old 27-02-2011, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by B13 JUS
It's not to hard mate but the way I did it, you will have to drill 4 holes inside the boot to bolt the new arb in place.
I can give you measurements and pictures of how to do it if you like?
send them by pm if you can mate then i can ask any questions etc?

Old 27-02-2011, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
send them by pm if you can mate then i can ask any questions etc?

I'm at work till 6.30pm so I'll take some pictures tonight and explain what I did
Old 27-02-2011, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by B13 JUS
I'm at work till 6.30pm so I'll take some pictures tonight and explain what I did
All good mate
Old 27-02-2011, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by B13 JUS
I'm at work till 6.30pm so I'll take some pictures tonight and explain what I did
i wouldnt mind seeing that as well mate been thinking of fitting one on my 3 door
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Just thought.... I have saph trailing arms on mine.
the drop links are on the inner side of the arms unlike the 3dr, you would need to change or mod yours to fit a better arb as well as modifiy the fixing points on the chassis.
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Originally Posted by botters
i wouldnt mind seeing that as well mate been thinking of fitting one on my 3 door
I'll pm you with pictures and info as well mate.
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Sorry, posted the last comment before I read that you don't have an ARB - the obvious problem.

Fit a 3 door or Sapph ARB. Escos I believe is too stiff.

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I took my old mans ARB of his 500 to test to see if this would cure the problem only problem is the trailing arms are from a saph so wont fit Which has got me thinking that if the trailing arms are from a saph maybe the hubs are aswel? Is there any difference in hubs from a 2wd saph and 3dr? A im wondering now if my wheels are the wrong offset and causing some of the headache with the tyres rubbing the bodykit to bits? as they were to fit a 3dr and if the hubs are different could be causing a different offset?

So im trying to organise a ARB from a saph and get that fiited.
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when you had the coilovers on you were not using the original springs in their mounts.
i would look to check the springs and that their mounting areas are the same and none have deteriorated or have anything in them. you really need to get the car on a flat surface to be able to establish exactly what the difference is either side.
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whoops...only read the first few bits.

didnt get to the antiroll bar bit before i posted
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All good jay. So people belive that the anti roll bar makes that much of a diffrence?
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
All good jay. So people belive that the anti roll bar makes that much of a diffrence?
yes 100%
in stead of having all the weight on one spring its spreads the weight across the two.
think of it this way... would your wheel still sit that low on your drive if your spring was double the lbs than what you have in already?
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Originally Posted by B13 JUS
yes 100%
in stead of having all the weight on one spring its spreads the weight across the two.
think of it this way... would your wheel still sit that low on your drive if your spring was double the lbs than what you have in already?

valid point but in my mind i cant see me just fitting the ARB and this problem going away
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
valid point but in my mind i cant see me just fitting the ARB and this problem going away
you wont know unless you try it, but what i do know if you dont have one fitted with the springs and shocks you have the car will be very very unstable to drive, it will be dangerous as well imo


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