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19-02-2011, 10:20 PM
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. and stop talking about your self again..you stupid dopey shitbag! stupid keyboard warrior i wont reply to your next post aint got time for it so say what u want u clown
19-02-2011, 10:22 PM
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There is an old saying....... no smoke without fire.
Regardless of all the bad reports on this thread, reading charlie danny's and luke's posts alone have probably done the most damage!!
I can only go on what i read on here as i have no personal experience, but i've never seen 3 guys involved in a business that don't know who owns it, or what their role in the business is, or whether they are indeed working there or not
no wonder all the EP mapping threads have had a drumming on here from the likes of chip, stu, flux etc, as it appears luke has been 'learning to map' and not mapping.
Regardless of all the bad reports on this thread, reading charlie danny's and luke's posts alone have probably done the most damage!!
I can only go on what i read on here as i have no personal experience, but i've never seen 3 guys involved in a business that don't know who owns it, or what their role in the business is, or whether they are indeed working there or not
no wonder all the EP mapping threads have had a drumming on here from the likes of chip, stu, flux etc, as it appears luke has been 'learning to map' and not mapping.
And it did seem that Chip/Stu and Simon all pulled apart posts by EP with seemingly massive holes.
19-02-2011, 10:23 PM
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In my experience tuning industry has been doing this shit for years, i got done 13 years ago by one well known tuner when i took my s1 for a tune up, was told my cambelt was loose and they would tension it up, watched them do it and overtightened the tensioner bolt and snap, made a bodge bracket to hold it, said tuff shit after a 2 hour row and sent me on my way!!
Lesson learnt do it yourself do it right!!
Lesson learnt do it yourself do it right!!
19-02-2011, 10:23 PM
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you could set up a rst turbo at home with a chip and bleed valve at 15psi....
ive had an rst turbo with the following .... and run it for a yr and drove it hard and only ever had to service it...
mfi
unlimited boost chip
piper 285t cam (when they were userable)
standard rebuild/ported and polished head
stage3 t3
nms modded metering unit
5th injector
radtec cooler
bailey breather kit
uprated fuel pump
and was sent up by Ian ball who has now brought back power engineering and done a brilliant job
any way 23psi boost and 231bhp and 247lbs and this car still is running that set up which was done in 2008 and its done 11k
ive had an rst turbo with the following .... and run it for a yr and drove it hard and only ever had to service it...
mfi
unlimited boost chip
piper 285t cam (when they were userable)
standard rebuild/ported and polished head
stage3 t3
nms modded metering unit
5th injector
radtec cooler
bailey breather kit
uprated fuel pump
and was sent up by Ian ball who has now brought back power engineering and done a brilliant job
any way 23psi boost and 231bhp and 247lbs and this car still is running that set up which was done in 2008 and its done 11k
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19-02-2011, 10:25 PM
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Fucking hell. "stop talking about your self again" You still in school?
Must be.
19-02-2011, 10:26 PM
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I'm sure I read on here or another forum that if the head is warped,by bolting it down correctly it can put undue stress on the cam lobe on one end as obviously it's tightened down one side more than the other?
Not 100% sure but that sounds fair?
As for a 15psi rst,I built one myself with a bleed valve and a chipped ecu!!!
I did 25000 miles on a really old engine with this set up and it never let me down,was still running fine a few years later.
Went ok too!!!
Must have been fundamental engine probs to have caused all this,the Cvh is a tough old boot of an engine.
I wish I could afford another "chavvy" series one!!!
Not 100% sure but that sounds fair?
As for a 15psi rst,I built one myself with a bleed valve and a chipped ecu!!!
I did 25000 miles on a really old engine with this set up and it never let me down,was still running fine a few years later.
Went ok too!!!
Must have been fundamental engine probs to have caused all this,the Cvh is a tough old boot of an engine.
I wish I could afford another "chavvy" series one!!!
19-02-2011, 10:28 PM
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Who are the others you keep mentioning??
Iv eard storys about every one of them tuners but tbh i take it as a pinch of salt and would use anyone of them myself if i had too..
I can gaurantee you something though,none of the tuners you mention above there would of dealt with any of the 3 mentioned in this thread or atleast if they did they wouldnt of gone through te shit luke did with them..
cheers danny
Iv eard storys about every one of them tuners but tbh i take it as a pinch of salt and would use anyone of them myself if i had too..
I can gaurantee you something though,none of the tuners you mention above there would of dealt with any of the 3 mentioned in this thread or atleast if they did they wouldnt of gone through te shit luke did with them..
cheers danny
As stated above I'm sure every single tuner in the world has a bad customer/problem car. But it's certainly not a regular occurance. If it is you soon get a name like Paul Hills
The fact you said the aforementioned tuners wouldn't touch those cars says a lot; why would you then? Seems insane if you knew those cars/owners were going to cause problems?
I KNOW Stu turns down cars that he can't guarantee; he did it to me lol
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19-02-2011, 10:30 PM
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and why switch to efi on 15 psi waste of money imo mfi can cope with that easily, ive done it for the last 15 years with not a melted piston or lunched cam in sight, loads of trackdays and weekend thrashes mfi aint bad at all if set up correctly at that power level.
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19-02-2011, 10:37 PM
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Fucking hell just break off to watch Benidorm and another page has been added.
That did occur to me mate. At the end of the day i don't know who's wrong or right about the engine problems (although i have my suspicions) but the business and organisational skills of the company don't seem to be too hot.
There is an old saying....... no smoke without fire.
Regardless of all the bad reports on this thread, reading charlie danny's and luke's posts alone have probably done the most damage!!
I can only go on what i read on here as i have no personal experience, but i've never seen 3 guys involved in a business that don't know who owns it, or what their role in the business is, or whether they are indeed working there or not
no wonder all the EP mapping threads have had a drumming on here from the likes of chip, stu, flux etc, as it appears luke has been 'learning to map' and not mapping.
all i can say is good luck to EP, and their un satisfied customers. sounds like you'll need it
Regardless of all the bad reports on this thread, reading charlie danny's and luke's posts alone have probably done the most damage!!
I can only go on what i read on here as i have no personal experience, but i've never seen 3 guys involved in a business that don't know who owns it, or what their role in the business is, or whether they are indeed working there or not
no wonder all the EP mapping threads have had a drumming on here from the likes of chip, stu, flux etc, as it appears luke has been 'learning to map' and not mapping.
all i can say is good luck to EP, and their un satisfied customers. sounds like you'll need it
19-02-2011, 10:37 PM
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and a decent set up, cant understand how it al went so wrong for john, d4s i can understand as 300 bhp is a different story, but if you want that just go zetec turbo job done, id stick a 31 on and dump the bleed valve though
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19-02-2011, 10:42 PM
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I i bet if you phone nms and say you have a standard rst and want their stage7 set up with the mods to the car to suit... you will be told at least 10k
but for 15psi and 180bhp more like Ł250 with a good set up
19-02-2011, 10:45 PM
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johns car at 15psi should have been easy.... but i get d4s as its a hard job to get 300bhp, just ask the people that have done it, its bloody hard.
I i bet if you phone nms and say you have a standard rst and want their stage7 set up with the mods to the car to suit... you will be told at least 10k
but for 15psi and 180bhp more like Ł250 with a good set up
I i bet if you phone nms and say you have a standard rst and want their stage7 set up with the mods to the car to suit... you will be told at least 10k
but for 15psi and 180bhp more like Ł250 with a good set up
19-02-2011, 10:46 PM
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i know mark shead is too good at what he does to have this happen to him, he can tell the second the car comes in, its not a good one and he wouldnt work on it untill all the problems have been sorted ...
same for nms and stu and reyland ect....
when i wanted my car done by jamsport they told me before even seeing it i had the wrong spec to do what i wanted..... i.e t34s are shit on rs turbos and makes them horrid to drive
same for nms and stu and reyland ect....
when i wanted my car done by jamsport they told me before even seeing it i had the wrong spec to do what i wanted..... i.e t34s are shit on rs turbos and makes them horrid to drive
19-02-2011, 10:52 PM
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thats just plain stupid mate, im sure he just wanted his car sorted, john i wish you had talked to me as im sure me and my mates could have sorted your car if it just started with a headgasket, feel for you mate i really do!
RST,s are a piece of piss to work on and at a bar of boost reliability shouldnt be an issue
RST,s are a piece of piss to work on and at a bar of boost reliability shouldnt be an issue
TBH its a shame you weren't as it was started with the headgasket going, the car hadn't been on boost, we had cruised at 50 mph, hit the end of the A130, when it went, that was back in August 09!
A lot of very valid comments are coming up on here regarding Johns S1, and these are all questions that should be answered but as seen, Luke can't do that! He can go on trying to blame John for this, and that, but that still does not excuse his lack of skills regarding the engine, as the pics have shown and the lack of miles the engine managed to do each time it left the garage!
19-02-2011, 11:00 PM
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i think the so called tuner should stump up and either appoligise or pay for the damages caused by his mistakes,i no tuners can cut corners somehow here and there but to weld the turbo to the manifold is a strange 1,if that was a good honest tuner they would fone the owner to say look your turbo needs connecting proply or whatever,we wont go ahead until you have sorted it or let us do it our way,and for the engine eating the cams all the time,surely when the tuner finished setting the car up he must of taking it for a test drive to see if all was well,like what other tuners do,
only way to save your reputation is to contact the owner of the car have face to face talk insted of digging a bigger hole with your bad comments and losing your rep what you have left of it.
only way to save your reputation is to contact the owner of the car have face to face talk insted of digging a bigger hole with your bad comments and losing your rep what you have left of it.
19-02-2011, 11:00 PM
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this "attitude" ...lmao dont you think that is warranted bearing in mind the shit that he has gone through with EP?? I for one would be spitting fire and i dont blame John for feeling the way he does, as I was around at the time and know everything that went on, and the effect it had on all of us with the constant let downs!
TBH its a shame you weren't as it was started with the headgasket going, the car hadn't been on boost, we had cruised at 50 mph, hit the end of the A130, when it went, that was back in August 09!
A lot of very valid comments are coming up on here regarding Johns S1, and these are all questions that should be answered but as seen, Luke can't do that! He can go on trying to blame John for this, and that, but that still does not excuse his lack of skills regarding the engine, as the pics have shown and the lack of miles the engine managed to do each time it left the garage!
TBH its a shame you weren't as it was started with the headgasket going, the car hadn't been on boost, we had cruised at 50 mph, hit the end of the A130, when it went, that was back in August 09!
A lot of very valid comments are coming up on here regarding Johns S1, and these are all questions that should be answered but as seen, Luke can't do that! He can go on trying to blame John for this, and that, but that still does not excuse his lack of skills regarding the engine, as the pics have shown and the lack of miles the engine managed to do each time it left the garage!
Me and a few mates were having a beer last night discussing dodgy tuners and how they rip people off saying you need this that and the other then this thread comes up, says it all really!
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19-02-2011, 11:07 PM
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The engine wasnt built by us though
The car didnt come to ep untill late 2009
The car had loads of niggles hence luke checked over fitted parts etc
The valve springs wernt something evident in the begining and john told us they were correct for the said camshaft but after two cams eating themselves it was the last thing changed as they were way too strong and this caused all the damage..
How could something fitted by someone else be eps fault??
cheers danny
The car didnt come to ep untill late 2009
The car had loads of niggles hence luke checked over fitted parts etc
The valve springs wernt something evident in the begining and john told us they were correct for the said camshaft but after two cams eating themselves it was the last thing changed as they were way too strong and this caused all the damage..
How could something fitted by someone else be eps fault??
cheers danny
19-02-2011, 11:08 PM
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The engine wasnt built by us though
The car didnt come to ep untill late 2009
The car had loads of niggles hence luke checked over fitted parts etc
The valve springs wernt something evident in the begining and john told us they were correct for the said camshaft but after two cams eating themselves it was the last thing changed as they were way too strong and this caused all the damage..
How could something fitted by someone else be eps fault??
cheers danny
The car didnt come to ep untill late 2009
The car had loads of niggles hence luke checked over fitted parts etc
The valve springs wernt something evident in the begining and john told us they were correct for the said camshaft but after two cams eating themselves it was the last thing changed as they were way too strong and this caused all the damage..
How could something fitted by someone else be eps fault??
cheers danny
and its due to poor quality cams kent cams and piper cams.
maybe if you guys did more rs turbos you would have been aware of this and used to tried and tested route of a newman cam.
power engineering had this problem years ago to the point of having their own cams made and were twice as much to buy, but not one person has killed one...
19-02-2011, 11:10 PM
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need to use newman or genuine ford otherwise would be good to get powers to get their old cams made again....
19-02-2011, 11:11 PM
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what cams were they as there has been treads in rs turbos loads of times with people buying rs turbos cams and taking them for a set up, only for the first time they see some boost the cam shits its self....
and its due to poor quality cams kent cams and piper cams.
maybe if you guys did more rs turbos you would have been aware of this and used to tried and tested route of a newman cam.
power engineering had this problem years ago to the point of having their own cams made and were twice as much to buy, but not one person has killed one...
and its due to poor quality cams kent cams and piper cams.
maybe if you guys did more rs turbos you would have been aware of this and used to tried and tested route of a newman cam.
power engineering had this problem years ago to the point of having their own cams made and were twice as much to buy, but not one person has killed one...
19-02-2011, 11:12 PM
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If they do that with zero miles then surely if the swarf then lunches your engine a claim to kent etc should be made, not fit for purpose and all that!
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19-02-2011, 11:20 PM
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It didnt self destruct mate it just wore a lobe and everyone thouht,oh yes this must be the problem??
The cam got changed and luke asked john what valve springs they were,john even checked with the builder of the engine
The engine was cleaned up set up and checked around the block without any problems
John took the car and everyone was happy untill the car done it again!!
What we couldnt work out was how the fuck he didnt hear it not only the first time but the second time it was completely fucked so must of been driven for ages making some horrid noises!!!
This well and trully fucked it and it needed a complete strip down as all the shrapnell had got into everything and had now eaten the crank and bearings etc..
cheers danny
The cam got changed and luke asked john what valve springs they were,john even checked with the builder of the engine
The engine was cleaned up set up and checked around the block without any problems
John took the car and everyone was happy untill the car done it again!!
What we couldnt work out was how the fuck he didnt hear it not only the first time but the second time it was completely fucked so must of been driven for ages making some horrid noises!!!
This well and trully fucked it and it needed a complete strip down as all the shrapnell had got into everything and had now eaten the crank and bearings etc..
cheers danny
19-02-2011, 11:21 PM
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It didnt self destruct mate it just wore a lobe and everyone thouht,oh yes this must be the problem??
The cam got changed and luke asked john what valve springs they were,john even checked with the builder of the engine
The engine was cleaned up set up and checked around the block without any problems
John took the car and everyone was happy untill the car done it again!!
What we couldnt work out was how the fuck he didnt hear it not only the first time but the second time it was completely fucked so must of been driven for ages making some horrid noises!!!
This well and trully fucked it and it needed a complete strip down as all the shrapnell had got into everything and had now eaten the crank and bearings etc..
cheers danny
The cam got changed and luke asked john what valve springs they were,john even checked with the builder of the engine
The engine was cleaned up set up and checked around the block without any problems
John took the car and everyone was happy untill the car done it again!!
What we couldnt work out was how the fuck he didnt hear it not only the first time but the second time it was completely fucked so must of been driven for ages making some horrid noises!!!
This well and trully fucked it and it needed a complete strip down as all the shrapnell had got into everything and had now eaten the crank and bearings etc..
cheers danny
ive seen my mate have a miss fire with an rst and take it to powers and find out its a worn cam.... now these guys had fitted new everything igition wise and give up.... ian looked at it for 2/3 mins as he knows rst's very well, and said cam worn ( even tho it wasnt noisy)....
so the customer thinks hes wrong but changes it and bang its perfect.... Ian was on the money and customer happy.... car also had oil change and set up and this was 2 yrs ago and going strong...
cams even new are shit on rs turbos newman all the way....
19-02-2011, 11:24 PM
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ive seen my mate have a miss fire with an rst and take it to powers and find out its a worn cam.... now these guys had fitted new everything igition wise and give up.... ian looked at it for 2/3 mins as he knows rst's very well, and said cam worn ( even tho it wasnt noisy)....
so the customer thinks hes wrong but changes it and bang its perfect.... Ian was on the money and customer happy.... car also had oil change and set up and this was 2 yrs ago and going strong...
cams even new are shit on rs turbos newman all the way....
so the customer thinks hes wrong but changes it and bang its perfect.... Ian was on the money and customer happy.... car also had oil change and set up and this was 2 yrs ago and going strong...
cams even new are shit on rs turbos newman all the way....
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19-02-2011, 11:33 PM
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The thing is it was missed as the engine in all fairness did look brand new and fresh through out so luke was stumped untill it became evident that the valve spring were completly wrong!!
John didnt want to spend big money so another second hand cam was fitted which of course resulted in the same fashion and this time john then supplied his old second hand top end to fit and luke rebuilt the bottom end..
I dont know what happend the last time around but i do know the whole bottom end was sold on with out any damage and that was what luke rebuilt??
cheers danny
John didnt want to spend big money so another second hand cam was fitted which of course resulted in the same fashion and this time john then supplied his old second hand top end to fit and luke rebuilt the bottom end..
I dont know what happend the last time around but i do know the whole bottom end was sold on with out any damage and that was what luke rebuilt??
cheers danny
you can never use a second hand cam on a cvh otherwise your asking for trouble....
19-02-2011, 11:36 PM
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na mate we have done it, not if you are running the wrong valve springs though!!
19-02-2011, 11:44 PM
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and nearly all of us run zvh which seems to improve the oil starvation noends
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19-02-2011, 11:53 PM
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but if ian is back i might borrow my mates dolly and take it back will have to see.
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