Fined for warning other motorists of a mobile speed camera...
05-01-2011, 05:06 PM
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Fined for warning other motorists of a mobile speed camera...
...haven't seen a thread about this on here, but then I might have missed it.
Basically, a guy got pulled over for flashing other cars to warn them that there was a mobile camera speed trap on the road ahead... I can't find a news link to show you, but that's the bare bones of it.
To be honest, I can't believe the guy's been charged with this?? It SO looks like they are just pissed about missing out on the cash from fines since effectively he was actually slowing the cars down and doing the Police's job for them?!
Cheers,
Grant
Basically, a guy got pulled over for flashing other cars to warn them that there was a mobile camera speed trap on the road ahead... I can't find a news link to show you, but that's the bare bones of it.
To be honest, I can't believe the guy's been charged with this?? It SO looks like they are just pissed about missing out on the cash from fines since effectively he was actually slowing the cars down and doing the Police's job for them?!
Cheers,
Grant
05-01-2011, 05:12 PM
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05-01-2011, 05:13 PM
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This is not new it's been happening for yearsss, even before cameras.
People putting up warning notices in thier gardens have also been done as above, Perverting.
Several people have been done when it turned out the car they were flashing was an off duty Police officer.
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People putting up warning notices in thier gardens have also been done as above, Perverting.
Several people have been done when it turned out the car they were flashing was an off duty Police officer.
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05-01-2011, 05:20 PM
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So if I saw a couple of masked men walking towards a post office holding a shotgun with the clear intent to rob everything in there (entirely possible in Dundee... 
) then managed to stop them from entering the shop........ it's possible that I could get done for perverting the course of justice??
Cheers,
Grant
) then managed to stop them from entering the shop........ it's possible that I could get done for perverting the course of justice?? Cheers,
Grant
05-01-2011, 05:20 PM
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bloke i work with was pulled over for this a few years back, copper went nuts at him saying how he was supposed to catch so many people speeding per day and everyone was crawling past at 30
i do it, and im glad when other people do it to me, just ANOTHER money making scheme of the governments' disguised as health and safety
i do it, and im glad when other people do it to me, just ANOTHER money making scheme of the governments' disguised as health and safety
05-01-2011, 05:22 PM
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No grant,it would be the same as you telling the robbers the cops were coming,he never told the cops a speeder was coming did he
cheeRS stu
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05-01-2011, 05:25 PM
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so its illegal to warn people of an accident blackspot?as thats what cameras are there to monitor?flashing lights will slow people down,making them safer,taking a picture of someone speeding is just that,taking a picture,the car is still speeding,therefore its unsafe in the police's eyes,which is worse i wonder?lol
05-01-2011, 06:39 PM
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They didn't get their piggy little fingers into everyones wallets so they now act like jumped up cunts becuase that's what the while purpose of the speed trap is for. If they wanted to make the roads safer they would have gone to the trouble of errecting signs and shit to warn drivers if the dangers, putting in speed humps and the like would make the roads safer and the coppers could then go out and catch real villians, but that would mean getting out of their cars and walking about and asking quesions and shit like they do in the movies, why risk wearing out your shoe lether or getting fit or making people aware that there is a police presance when all you can do is sit in a car and alienate the rest of the world, if they wanted to help people out they would have joined the smaritans, but instead they were all bullied at school and now the little nevilles are on a power trip becuase they wear a shiney badge like mr plod does in the ad entures of noddy in toy town.
Can you tell it does my absolute nut when you see crack pot bullshit like this making the news? Cameron should be making an example of this and getting the courts to stop putting these shocking stupid twats in uniforms trumping up charges like this simply to sit in a warm comfy office all day, make them coppers wear one of them step thungies or carry around gps bobs so that we can all see how much actual walkies they do on they daily rounds.
I realise that not all coppers are like this but it's petty minded fuck nuggets like these that give the whole force a bad name
Can you tell it does my absolute nut when you see crack pot bullshit like this making the news? Cameron should be making an example of this and getting the courts to stop putting these shocking stupid twats in uniforms trumping up charges like this simply to sit in a warm comfy office all day, make them coppers wear one of them step thungies or carry around gps bobs so that we can all see how much actual walkies they do on they daily rounds.
I realise that not all coppers are like this but it's petty minded fuck nuggets like these that give the whole force a bad name
05-01-2011, 07:15 PM
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fucking mongtard police once again.
This chap's actions made everyone slow down to 30, yet the copper's actions was allowing pople to speed through the village and get caught. Surely he should be thanked for making people drive below the speed limit!!
This chap's actions made everyone slow down to 30, yet the copper's actions was allowing pople to speed through the village and get caught. Surely he should be thanked for making people drive below the speed limit!!
05-01-2011, 07:19 PM
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There's a 20 odd page thread on pistonheads on this topic and it has a couple of police officers involved in the discussion of why it's wrong to warn other people.
How is it different if they put up signs up to warn you speed cams so how is this different.
How is it different if they put up signs up to warn you speed cams so how is this different.
05-01-2011, 07:28 PM
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Or the obvious one, THEY put up the signs (or at least requested them)
But I would also have thought that Perverting would only apply after the event, the Police should have to prove that the warned drivers did not intend to or could not possibly have time to slow down.
Or could they argue the same as "Going equiped to.. (commit an offence)?
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05-01-2011, 07:32 PM
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as i said before, if there were signs to say the road speed needed to be bought down and there were markings and speed humps and everything else THEN i wouldn't be opposed to them putting a radar gun on those motorists who were going to fast down the road even after all that had been implimented, but to single one person out for what hundreds of peole do every day just sucks of them being greedy and after the money and nothing whatsoever to deter peole from speeding by any other means, because that would mean spending money to save lives rather than "earning" money through revenue generated by speed guns and rada traps and hidden cameras etc all over the shop, in horse boxes that aren't even approved to be used for those sorts of things, to coppers jumping out from behind bushes and causing accidents when everyone jams on the ri brakes because no one knows who's going to get done for being 10 mph below the limit
there was that tiem when the guy pointed the speed camera to the judges desk and it registered 8 mph, on a desk, that the judge was sitting behind, just makes no sense to pocket money wihtout actually doing something to lower the speeds in areas where the speeds are actually too high, not by blanketing the countryside with a 50 mph limit and then criminalising everyone who's done 51 mph past the camera
05-01-2011, 07:34 PM
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remember one force was asking people to stand at the roadside with reflective vests and speed guns a jot down the numbers of speeding cras,how come they where not charged with perverting
05-01-2011, 07:42 PM
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surely the police should be happier to catch no one speeding thanks to road users making each other aware of the conditions...... would he have been done for warning of loose sheep in the road and then perverting the course of carnage??
05-01-2011, 08:01 PM
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surely its just making people aware of hazardous driving conditions.....on the plus side i once slept with a coppers wife, always makes me smile when i get stopped now!
05-01-2011, 08:05 PM
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just finding my feet
must admit ive been saved a few times driving towards villages by truckers and when i say saved i mean " reminded me to have a quick look just incase" as road speeds change alot when you do 500 miles driving a day
i too also hate the selfish nobbers who dont care aslong as they aint involved,,, the ones that allow the "divide and concour" to take place
i too also hate the selfish nobbers who dont care aslong as they aint involved,,, the ones that allow the "divide and concour" to take place
05-01-2011, 08:09 PM
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Many yrs ago i was driving along a straight open road and the limit was 30 but i was doing 38 and on the left side of the road was a bus stop. I was very close to the bus stop when a copper jumped out with a speed gun but the tit stood in the road and i almost hit him. I skided across the road into a kirb busting my tyre and wheel. When i got out the car and went for him he said to me stop and think what if i was a young kid !
Even tho i hate the plod this one had a point to make He did let me off tho as he seen the damage to my car and it made me think twice.
Ps.... They are all cunts
Even tho i hate the plod this one had a point to make
He did let me off tho as he seen the damage to my car and it made me think twice. Ps.... They are all cunts
05-01-2011, 08:18 PM
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I'm with you on this one, in so much as the whole point of a speed enforcement campaign should be to slow traffic down, and this is exactly what the bloke did. However, reading between the lines the fella was warned about his actions, but became a bit of a numpty and made up some stupid excuse that was never going to wash in court, so by account bought this silliness upon himself. Also, the courts agreed with the officers, as he went not guilty, so he has technically committed the offence.
Unfortunately, the times of officers discretion being used are quickly disappearing, senior officers are now judging rank and file officers by how many tickets they issue, and with a 10% reduction across the board in man power due soon, I can see less and less warnings and more and more penalty notices. Very lazy man management I say, but there you go.
Unfortunately, the times of officers discretion being used are quickly disappearing, senior officers are now judging rank and file officers by how many tickets they issue, and with a 10% reduction across the board in man power due soon, I can see less and less warnings and more and more penalty notices. Very lazy man management I say, but there you go.
05-01-2011, 08:27 PM
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And I say sir,you are a liar.you clearly own a performance car and your telling me you've NEVER exceeded the speed limit?Never done 23 in a 20?33 in a 30? Gone over 70 to overtake someone on the motorway?
I very much doubt it.
Just by a Micra and be done with it mate,you sound like a retired copper.
I very much doubt it.
Just by a Micra and be done with it mate,you sound like a retired copper.
05-01-2011, 09:12 PM
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I'm with you on this one, in so much as the whole point of a speed enforcement campaign should be to slow traffic down, and this is exactly what the bloke did. However, reading between the lines the fella was warned about his actions, but became a bit of a numpty and made up some stupid excuse that was never going to wash in court, so by account bought this silliness upon himself. Also, the courts agreed with the officers, as he went not guilty, so he has technically committed the offence.
Unfortunately, the times of officers discretion being used are quickly disappearing, senior officers are now judging rank and file officers by how many tickets they issue, and with a 10% reduction across the board in man power due soon, I can see less and less warnings and more and more penalty notices. Very lazy man management I say, but there you go.
Unfortunately, the times of officers discretion being used are quickly disappearing, senior officers are now judging rank and file officers by how many tickets they issue, and with a 10% reduction across the board in man power due soon, I can see less and less warnings and more and more penalty notices. Very lazy man management I say, but there you go.
05-01-2011, 09:16 PM
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There was a precedent set in the high court a few years ago on a similar case. The police lost.
The cops couldnt prove why he was flashing.
They couldnt prove if he knew the other cars were speeding
They couldnt prove if any drivers took any notice of the flashing
They couldnt prove...well, anything really.
On appeal this should get flushed down the toilet like the shit it is.
The only perverse thing is, how the hell the drugged up judge came to the decision he did.
And clearly if the police have enough manpower to set up speed traps, then more traps to catch people who may flash their lights....
Well, finding these millions in savings really shouldnt be too hard. Sack the lot of the useless lazy bastards !
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05-01-2011, 10:29 PM
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stevie turbo you are wrong.
for one reason only
the old fool admitted what he was doing and hence his fate was sealed the second he admitted it.
had he kept stumm or went down the route " i was using my headlights to alert other roadusers to my presence" then all that you said would hold true as they couldnt prove a thing.
At worst misuse of headlights or similar is a non-endorsable offence. not sure what it would be covered by, but probably some offence code with "other undefined offence" or similar bullshit.
for one reason only
the old fool admitted what he was doing and hence his fate was sealed the second he admitted it.
had he kept stumm or went down the route " i was using my headlights to alert other roadusers to my presence" then all that you said would hold true as they couldnt prove a thing.
At worst misuse of headlights or similar is a non-endorsable offence. not sure what it would be covered by, but probably some offence code with "other undefined offence" or similar bullshit.