caprizetec170

Just wondering(sturring) what ye guys on here think about alot of cossie tuners sticking to old methods of tuning.
like say ya want a 400bhp engine what do they do lower the compression fit a larger out dated T34/T4 turbo larger injectors and rechip a prehistoric ecu.
compare this to some of the foreign companies running same power what do ya get higher compression new proper inlet standard t3 size more efficent turbo and modern management ad an engine thatil perform much better
any thoughts ???

OldDan

Is there a market there for further development still?

Martin-Hadland

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I like to change the ecu whenever the budget allows but don't forget most customers are working to a tight budget, you don't need to lower the C/R for the power you mention, I like the GT series rather than T34/T4 but I'm not the exception so I really don't understand what point you're trying to make.

bigchez

Think you'll find most if not all will use a varient of the GT30, Siemens injectors and prob a larger inlet cam at that power so don't see the difference, and unless your wiring loom is fubar'd don't see point or expense in going beyone L8 at that power level

Mark Shead

What tuners you talking about, I have been running diff managments for about 10 years and BB turbo's tubular manifolds and not lower than stock comp also, Not me living in the past.

Mark

charlie luciano

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If the old (tried n tested) techniques produce good results and fast cars then why not live in the past?

not forgetting that these cars(cosworths) do come from the past and are border line classics nowadays


Luciano

Rick

the ECU is easily capable to do whatever you want. Low compression means big boost spikes and huge torque, which is what gives cossie's their kick.

Rsmat

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Nothing wrong with T34`s.

Chip

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I cant think of any british tuner doing that sort of conversion TBH, sounds more like the sort of thing that people do at home themself and just fit a chip from a tuner to make work.

That said though, Ive got a T34 and a set of greens on my YB and I think its a great conversion despite all the far more "modern" stuff Ive done with tuning other engines.

As for the management, L8 is very well suited to modified engines, it uses the same sort of sensor setup most of us run on aftermarket anyway (ie speed density based not airflow etc)

charlie luciano

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Have to agree there Mat stage 3 saff is still a quick car today and what else can you go and buy for around 5k that's got 300+ ponies?


Luciano

Chip

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Lightly modified car with about 300bhp to compare to a saph?

There are fucking LOADS of cars that fit that!

Celica Gt4
Evo
Scooby
Pulsar
Calibra turbo
M3
skyline gtst
200sx
mr2 turbo
etc etc

martysmartie

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As said for the most common of tunes the products do the job and are well proven so why change them? The same applies to the management it is quite capable of doing it's job so hence why a simple remap is needed to suit and job done.

Martin

charlie luciano

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FFS

I try and input a bit of sensible chat and there's always someone ready to start chucking it and trying to drop knowledge

Glenn_

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The old ways are the best sometimes.

Chip

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You asked a question, I was just answering it.

10 years ago a 5K saph was a massive performance bargain, nowadays its pretty run of the mill.

I still love em though, but not because there isnt an alternative as these days there is.

dojj

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nothing of the 80's ear is comparable raelly, otherwise you'll be adding a lexus fgs430 to the list for a fifth of the price sometimes

charlie luciano

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It was a retorical question, what I meant by it was its a cheap fast car, not for someone to give it the old I'm a professor and know fucking every fucking thing


Luciano

Glenn_

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All the cars in that list are shite anyway..

Rsmat

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Exactly!!!!

Stage 3 T34...3dr cos...proper mans toy...if youve got more than that then god help ya...

martysmartie

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Hmm but the Cosworth was here before those cars so really there are just copying something which had already been done, 300HP is nothing for a YB anyway really, plus some of those cars arn't really comparable for example the MR2 is no where near as practical as the Cosworth, the same applies to alot of those cars.

Martin

Chip

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WAS a cheap fast car, yes mate, these days pound for pound they are pretty average though.

You're just too old school to notice anything made after about 1995

Chip

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Cossie was without a doubt one of the leaders in the "fast but practical car affordable by the masses" market mate, no argument from me there, thats why most of us first loved them Im sure!

Rsmat

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Please lets keep on topic guys as im really interested to know what people`s comments are over this so called tuners living in the past.

Chip

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Which tuners?

Seriously, looks at the tuners that you see on this forum a lot like:
SCS / MAD / NMS / MSD / Reyland

Do you see any of those that really fit the description?
Sure they might do some conversion like that still, but its certainly not all they do, not by a fucking mile in any of those cases!


The topic seems to be living more in the past than its accusing YB tuners in the uk of doing?

Rod-Tarry

Ever been in a 750bhp EVO it would redefine the meaning of shite for you cos it would be all over the seat. Light years ahead of any Cosworth simply light years .

martysmartie

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Yes and I should hope it would be to, owing to the fact it's "Light years" newer than a Cosworth, still wouldn't make me want one though.

Martin

Chaz888

Well you could ask why the yanks use big block and chargers for big power cos it works just fine !!! and sometimes you just dont need the latest thing.

dojj

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but you've got at least 20 years worth of tech advantage over the cossie there rod, whoch is what the guys on about int eh first palce

rs_turbo_tony

Yb engines the bollocks if u put carbs on it or turbod and management fine remapped [ chipped ] so think thread starter shud go on anotha forum has it aint got passion 4 fords lol

Rsmat

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The thread starter never mentioned any he just said tuners...so im sat waiting to here proper people`s verdict and there opinions on this and we have others starting to discuss other cars now...

xr_craig

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Seems a pretty pointless arguement really. Tuners will do what customers want and lets be honest, for a fast road car a lot of people prefer a T34 anyway.

If people want to change management then most tuners are more than happy to do so and will spec engines to whatever your needs. But then as chip says the L8 is more than up to the job so why change something thats not broken.

Obviously i'm aware that changes can improve development etc, but for 75% of cossie owners the old ways are probably working fine.

dug112y

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i initially thought he meant the swedish/yank way of high comp /high revs and turbo'd...but not at 400bhp.

zetec-Sam

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Talk about working backwards!

caprizetec170

Ya but was only taking 400bhp as a ref could have easyly put 700 just saying people need start using forward thinking

Martin-Hadland

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Enlighten us with you wisdom please....

caprizetec170

i dont know im not a tuner im just bored
but il have a crack anyway if had money probably start with somethng like cossie derived 2.5 millington engine with roller barrells in head jenvey plenuim 11-1 compression long 4 branch manifold say3ft primeries holset or borg twin scroll turbo custom cooler and omex710 or similer ecu

now go on poke holes in my argument

Martin-Hadland

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Edited to say I can't be arsed!

caprizetec170

why not if built properly intake temp kept cool enough and mapped correctly.

Chip

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Why not?
Because it would be running more retarded than an entrant in the special olympics if you were going to be running it on 98 RON fuel and big boost at that CR!

Big Will_

At 11:1 CR you must be planning on running it on Toulene fuel a la 80's F1 cars

To give you an idea, I worked for an evo tuning company and we used to build 2.4 stroker engines that revved to 9000rpm with 9.0:1 static compression ratio. With a Turbonetics Y2K turbo one of those engines made 930bhp at the flywheel (calculated) about 7 years ago on methanol. That was running 8 x 1600cc injectors at over 80% duty cycle.