There's some complete bollocks on here! You're in danger of arguing that black is pink polka dots here chip - must be a by product of crawling up rods arse!

"In peoples eyes" etc etc. In anyones eyes then and now its all about the cosworth record - when mike r came to brunters it was to hold the cosworth top speed record, when george tried to beat him in ELE it was about the cosworth top speed record, believe me when bruce came to brunters he wanted to beat mike soooo bad for the cosworth top speed record and when rod came to brunters he wanted the cosworth top speed record... All this "model specific" stuff is total bollocks! And if people are changing their tune now then believe me its a BIG change in tune.
Salt flat racers divide classes up into engine types I believe, this seems most sensible to me.
Ben

 

top speed record............

Going back to the op's initial question
if someone had £30k to spend on building/tuning a yb im sure many of the uk tuners could include the use of modern tech to build something as good as many of the foreign tuners .
However most of us know that for a fraction of the cost we can go the tried and tested methods that provide results which are more than capable of putting a grin from ear to ear.

I doubt im alone in thinking and saying that cosworth ownership is about the fun that can be had by putting much newer and much more expensive cars to shame and knowing that the other car's driver is wondering what the fuck just happened! (as long as you turn off quickly enough to make sure they dont see you broken down with your bonnet open its all good )

 

I imagine all of those are running said £5k+ Mazda Racing Blocks. Most people, particularly the fwd'ers won't have spent any more than £1,500 on there bottom ends. But I completely agree, the duratec is a far better engine and just how many 450+bhp fwd fords are there on the road?

 

This is the way I understood it too!

 

there's a sierra that holds the record on the flats at soemthing like 207 mph

 

To old eh so when are you getting booked into the retirement home.

 

:c lap:

 

I've just read FF's 200mph artical and Rod's interview mentions the Cosworth top speed record not the white Sapphire record, if Chip is indeed correct then why would Rod mention that he was bothered about my new car?

There's no harm in wanting the Cosworth top speed record I might add, just seems strange that Chip thinks Rod's only bothered about Sapphires.

I reckon its the YB Cosworth powered Ford top speed record.

 

I think it may go back to the original aim for the car, But it is great to be the fastest overall.

Mark

 

isnt a low powered cosworth in norway 500 bhp?maybe what was being asked is why scandinavian cars are all mega bhp and they are on every street corner,yet here most cars are stage 3.

 

as already said in this thread,
they're not all mega high powered, thats just the 1's the make the magazines
theres lots of mild 300bhp cossy's over there as well
be nice if that was the case eh?
but thats just the impression we get cause thats all we ever get to hear about

 

i understand what the OP is saying but i realy do think he's got it wrong,
most cossy's in this country still run old spec bosch injectors, old school turbos etc
but thats because its a cheap proven way of making good power/torque
there are loads and loads coming thru now with only 300-400bhp but with gt30's etc
its evolution as technology moves on then the power band and torque spread get much better,
even these things will be considered out of date in a few years
its making these cars much nicer/useable to drive

but its the mega high spec cars in norway that are running silly power
if you check out the spec it will be full of roller barrel throttle body's, roller bearing turbos, big injectors(not usual bosch crap) etc etc etc
but if you compare the spec to probably ALL the high spec cars over here
then you'll see there not realy that much differant
rods car, martins escort, ag focuses, scs escort etc etc
none of these cars run a t4? or standard inlet/exhaust manifolds,
internal gated turbo's, dark greens etc etc etc
so i think they're on a par with the big scandinavian cars realy

 

I don't recall ever saying anything about it being easy.

 

Indeed, like I said, Rod has always told me that when he set out to tune his car, it was very much with an intention to be the fastest Spah, and thats the thing that interests him most, being fastest overall is just a huge bonus based on that original aim

 

Clearly you know Rod a lot better than Mark or Me do then mate

Ive said on this thread what Rod has very explicitly stated time and time again to me and to others that his original intention was always to attempt to hold the saph record and it was just a very pleasant surprise when he managed fastest overall.
He has always said that if he lost the overall title to martin, he would still feel pleased he had the record he originally set out to hold if he was still the fastest saph, that tune has been the same one Rod has been playing since day one.
It really is a very simple concept, its not changed, my representation of it in this thread hasnt changed, and Ive no idea at all why you think that just stating the plain fact of what Rod always set out to achieve and the bit that matters to him the most is somehow arguing that black is pink polka dots.

 

Do you actually believe that to be the case, or do you think its more likely that the only cars we tend to hear about over here are the exciting ones so it's meant people over here having a skewed opinion of what happens over there?

 

I never went to Brunters to beat the overall Topspeed record, Martins times were completely out of reach for my under powered old wreck.
I was the first to bring maths into it & accurately caculate gearing for the Power available, so knew their was not much point in gearing for Martins 194 . My car that day had 50bhp less than a rival Cosworth yet it set a record it was geared for 183mph. I was happy to come away with 183.27mph making it the fastest rwd Cossie at that time.
When we went next time it was to beat Bruce Reads 191.6mph & maybe challenge the Escort record. We came away as overall record holder BUT on the rear window of my car was placed a plaque it reads :
SIERRA RS COSWORTH TOPSPEED RECORD HOLDER its been their over 6 years & will remain whilst its true.
The reason : you cant compare cars of different body shapes on a level playing field. A 500bhp Porsche is going to beat a 500bhp Double decker bus every time so comparison is pointless.

 

LOL at this whole thread....

To answer the OP's original question .....

Yes and No.

The customer gets what he pays and asks for !
Tuners have products they recomend and/or sell so will offer those first.

Like many things in life, there are multiple ways and means of getting the same thing.

If the customer asks for a T4, greys, 8 injectors, air injectors and the tuner supplies it,
who is living in the past... ?

Also, as I have said many times, anyone who thinks a new ecu will give more power than an old ecu doesnt understand how engines work

 

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Heres why we prepared to beat your car at all costs Martin of course you already know why .
You know my only aim in life was to shut up Bruce Read to do that we managed to beat your time. As you also know he told me afterwards that if he could not beat me then your new car would, hence the reason we developed a 800bhp car to beat whatever you came up with.
Remember you also allowed the statement that your car will beat all records to go to press, that annoyed me because you didnt have anywhere near the Power to challenge mine & it set your 'groupies' off on the forums telling me the horrible fate of my cars record, which my faithfull maths told me was not going to happen.
Personally i dont give a hoot what you call the record my car was & will remain untill its beaten the Sierra RS Topspeed record holder. Please note thats what it says on the logbook dont mention Sapphire .

 

Just the way u said why not just make the escort go 15 mph faster just saying its not as easy as that

 

I'm not sure if that was in the actual body of text but it certainly featured on the front cover, that wasn't something I was privy to before it went to press and sort of made me cringe too BUT to be fair it never said WHEN it would beat all records We both know with a few tweeks I'd be going a lot quicker.... Who knows what the future holds

 

is there a hint in there that progress is being made to go alot faster?

 

Read (not Bruce ) into it what you like

 

Less of the little Chopster, Sad not a chance, great life , great family enough dosh to do as i want & able to get grown men he has never met so wound up by a pointless Topspeed record that they follow him around the intenet, you cant make it up.
Happy New year mate i do understand so no offence taken, I think i was young once .

 

What speed are you on about. 206mph then yes a few tweeks will beat that no probs. Best wait till we run before you decide if a few tweeks will do it .

 

Right,,,,,,,,, lets say i want a 400bhp engine for my car,,do i stick with the yb,go for a zetec turbo,or a duratec turbo,fitting/gearbox is not an issue. Now to me,the old crude meaty block of the yb still seems the most well proven.

 

i have never been,but reading the mags,watching vids on youtube big big bhp seems to be the norm.
folk are building 500bhp cars at home from parts from various cars,least,thats what you read about.

 

I think Martin and Rod need to get a room

I wish you BOTH well on your ventures

 

If it's the car in your sig and 400hp was the most you would want then I'd go for the lightest.

 

Ok, I'll wait.

 

The mags and people putting vids on youtube though are by definition focussing on the interesting stuff.

 

If its FWD I wouldnt want a YB anywhere near it, fucking boat anchors!

But for rwd or 4wd where the weight is better placed, its a very easy option to go with.

 

I have just tidied this topic of someones off topic rants about site policy.

 

It's ok I've posted in the correct room. It'll get ignored also I bet!

 

im not saying a new ecu or better quality more modern products will give you more power but you will get a much more driveable engine.
Same as old disscusion about carbs versus TB's both will make near identical outright power but which is better to drive?

 

Back on topic...

Tuners living in the past? No. Things move on and things are very different now.

It can come down to a cheque book battle if you really want and with an unlimited budget I bet you could have more HP than currently possible.

I think it's a little sad though to think that you have to own the title at all cost and all to piss off someone else
HOWEVER, if I won the lottery I'd happily spend as much as needed to do exactly the same now

 

Because for most people stage 3 is a good conversion and makes for a fast road car, as said it's only the big power track cars etc or cars that people have thrown a lot of money at that make the magazines which I don't like personally, sure I like reading about them but it would be nice to read about more normal road going cars to balance things out.

It's well know Norway are power hungry and no doubt have the money to do so so that is probably why they have more powerful cars.

Martin

 

Irrespective of the ecu, it has to be correctly mapped/calibrated to ensure drivability which is where alot of conversions fail.