Martin-Hadland

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I don't think you will set a speed that will NEVER be beaten tbh.

Chip

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Wether Rod's coowrth sierra record (what rod has always stated is the one he cares about) will stand will have more to do with if anyone else tries than what speed Rod gets to IMHO.

As it depends if anyone els decides to be stupid enough to throw massive money into trying to beat whatever top speed he sets with an old boat anchor like the YB in a badly designed shell like the Sierra.

Will you ever bother trying to build a 215mph+ YB sierra for example mate?

gjh

Or he could just make his escort go 15mph quicker and save a bit of hassle.

big_wig_074

my point exactly,low comp,big boost,8 injectors,bloody fast!

Chip

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Even if he made his escort go 150mph quicker it wouldnt effect Rod's Sierra Cosworth Top Speed record, which like I just said is the only one that he ever set out to get, by accident he has ended up with the overall fastest cosworth as well, but he isnt actually bothered if an escort goes quicker particuarly anyway as far as im aware as that doesnt effect wether or not he holds the record he set out to hold.

cbp

What is the requirement for taking part in the high speed Cosworth competition?
How original does the car need to be? As long as it has a YB engine then it's ok?

bigchez

That seems to change depending on the day of the week!

big_wig_074

as far as rod is concerned?it needs to be rwd sierra sapphire,which narrows it down so much it seems a bit of a pointless record IMO,its bloody fast but to ignore all other cars with the same engine is a bit strange to me.but as he said,it keeps his mind occupied and its his motor.

Chip

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Aerodynamics is such a key factor that grouping by bodyshell type makes perfect sense to me.

He's into sierra saphire cosworths specifically not the escorts or 3doors, so its the other saphires he chooses to compare his car against.

cbp

So a 2wd or a 4wd shouldn't really matter then

Chip

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Its not any sort of official guiness sanctioned record or anything, so I dont think there is a set of rules anywhere.

Rod cares about having the fastest sierra (well saph more accurately) and I think he just views it as a bonus holding the overall YB title as well, so if someone with a focus like AG used to beat him he would view it as him losing the YB record but not the saph one he cares most about.

Chip

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I dont think Rod would greatly care if a car was 2wd or 4wd, I should imagine he would view someone using a 4wd car as them handicapping themselves TBH!
But no doubt he'll clear that up when he sees the thread next as Im not sure on that aspect of it as its not something Ive discussed with him over a pint like I have with the bodyshell thing.

SiZT

Only Ian (AFAIK) has built a decent specced Duratec for high power, and it promptly split the block (again AFAIK) at 450bhp

Edit to add: Scrapyards are also filled with zetecs and rotting mondeos. Most people want high power on the cheap, not spending 5k+ on a block

gjh

Taking things slightly off topic, whats the best shape cossie for top speed runs, 3 door, saph or escort?

Chip

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I believe the escort minus the rear wing is the best in terms of aerodynamics

Gary F

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Since when has it been about the fastest Saph?
Rod has always gone on about having that fastest Cosworth, and if it wasn't for Martoon, he still would be.
So if the Reyland Escos was to beat Rod's time he wouldn't be in the least bit bothered?

Chip

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Since Rod started out aiming for the fastest Saph record in the first place.

At that point in time Martin was actually so far in front of the saphs I dont think Rod viewed beating his car as attainable so that was never what he set out to do, but as things progressed Rod actually greatly surpassed martin's speeds much to his own surprise!

He still does have the fastest cosworth at the moment mate, Martin hasnt held that record for about a decade, so im not sure what your "if it wasnt for martoon" thing is on about?

Not especially from what he has said to me, like I said he just views the overall top cosworth record as a bonus, its not his focal point, the saph record is.

bigchez

I don't know Chip, it does seem to vary a bit from fastest "RS Cosworth badged car" to "fastest on/off nitrous" to at times being "fastest saph run at Bruntingthorpe".

Rod's car is incredibly fast and has undoubtedly paved the way for further development of the YB, but there seem to be so many variations on a theme that it is a little silly.

Chip

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Other than the fact Rod has never been officially timed off gas (so by default martin wins that one), his car holds all those other records, so the terms are all pretty interchangable currently as far as im aware.

But like I said above, the one that Rod means when he says "my record" is the fastest saph, as thats what he has spent the last decade focussed on having, the others are just bonus records, like a buy one get one free, lol

JonnyBravo

Quite sure Rods website states Worlds fastest Cosworth, infact so did his sig he had up ages ago.

Can't deny its insane but does sound like things are changing.

More baiting no doubt due to the fact a few people with Saphs have claimed their going to take him on and obviously never have !

cbp

So why even bother with the YB engine if the goal is to have the fastest Sapphire??

Chip

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It does indeed mate:
http://fastestcosworth.com/

But like I said, that doesnt mean its the record he originally set out for, its just one he kind of ended up with by accident as far as im aware

Martin-Hadland

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I like the idea of splitting it up into models That would mean I've never been beaten since 1997 hahahahaha!!

Lambchop

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Then "record" will always be changed to suit

Soon to be "World's fastest 2wd white saff F plate"

Chip

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Rod doesnt view drag v8s etc as cosworths, and TBH neither do I.

Same engine and same shell as starting points makes it a fair fight IMHO

Chip

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Indeed mate, as far as im concerned you've had the fastest escos for as long as I can remebmer and I doubt that will change very soon

Chip

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The change has only been the other way around, that in achieving his specific goal he also picked up the overall one as well, so he hasnt changed anything to suit, he just acheived more than he originally set out to achieve!

gjh

Fair play just looking at that website its hell of a car, any idea what it will actually do in a standing mile, 190,195?

It's Czech Mate

No doubt it'll be discussed with Chip first over a pint and not an 'accidental record' too


Load of old manure IMO

Rods car is amazing, but if say Martoon was to go faster in his Escort then Rods 'record' would only be a record to him in most peoples eyes.

Not that I can see anyone going faster then Rod for a long time, if at all anyway IMO

Its like Adrian Sutil claiming to be the F1 Force India World Champion bcause nobody else in a Force India beat him

Chip

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Its nothing like that at all, when Rod first started doing top speed there were 3 record holders at the time in most peoples eyes
Escort (martin)
Saph (mike rainbird IIRC)
3 door (bruce i think but not sure on that)

And at that time the escort record was also the cosworth record as it happened that an escort was the fastest, these days a saph is the fastest so now one car holds those two records instead.

Rod beating martin overall didnt stop martins being the fastest escos though, and likewise if martin ever beats rod it wont stop rods being the quickest saph, which is what Rod originally set out to be (as like I said, martins 194 seemed unobtainable to everyone else at that point as he was about 10mph in front of them all which is a massive amount in top speed terms!)

Chip

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Next time out it will be well over 200mph in a standard mile if all goes to plan.

The stats I have always found most impressive for it are the 0-180mph in half a mile, and 0-100mph in 6.9 seconds

buzznwood

Agree on the cheap part, but a lot more powerful than 450bhp Duratec's have been built the pikes peak fiesta was using one with a tad more than 450bhp . The engine has also been used in rallycross fiesta's there is even one sitting in ken block's fiesta.

With the new 2.0l ecoboost in effect being a Duratec maybe the engine will start to appear on more people's radar as unless your running a 4x4 sierra / escort and don't want to lose the 4x4 I can't see why people would chose an old engine over a newer one, but as you say people will always go with the cheaper .

BIG WULL

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If I wanted a modern fast car with all the fancy gizmos, I'd buy one! Instead I want a blast from the past so i've got an old cossie with T4 strapped to it. I've never driven it with new turbo on but it most likely wont be drivable as a road car, wont be smooth at all. But thats what I want.

Point being; Imo most folk over here are old skool and its all about demand (and budget). So if customers wanted to develop thier old fords and spend a fortune on them, I'm sure the tuners would accomidate!

ajamesc

Yeah just as easy as that a lol

gjh

Easier for him than you and me.

ajamesc

Maybe but still not easy lol if it was he would have done it i bet even he will say that an extra 15 mph is a massive undertaking in that small amount of distance

dojj

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don't forget the big thing that was being the first escort to do 200 mph, dave's valiant attempts are still a testement to just how hard it is to do 200 mph on a uk airfield (another one of the "rules" to this game of going quickly

It's Czech Mate

No doubting its hard to do, and takes a huge chequebook or some way of reclaiming the development costs

Nick.W

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I would say budget is the major factor why you say tuners are living in the past. I know that obviously people do take there Cosworth YB's to tuners for massive power upgrades with 'modern' parts but I would imagine they are pretty few and far between now. When a tuner IS asked to build a blank cheque massive power engine some of the 'modern parts you mention will be used because the budget dictates this.

The Norm I guess is your stage 3's, greens chip etc. because it can all be bought comparatively cheap and will do the job asked of it.

dojj

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there is a tried and tested way to get more power in various stages, not sure what is going to be gained by changing ecu's and stuff if you are only going to run 3-4-500 brake

changing everytihng else for sure, but just look at the likes of cossierich, you now have a stage 1, stage 3, stage gunship and now a stage cossierich