fordsportjay

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when i used to work for a recovery firm years ago all you needed was a licence.

when i hired one about 4 years ago to move house it was the same i think.

ive been asked if i can drive a 7.5 tonne wagon because a mate needs a driver to deliver some stuff to london but he passed his test later so he hasnt got the entitlement on his licence.

if he hires me a 7.5 tonne wagon,can i still drive it-what about these digital tacho's now?

cossiedad

Yes you can mate, so I believe. Not over 7.5t though. I, like you, passed ages ago so I have the entitlement on my licence. Just had to renew my licence and thought they may remove it, but it has stayed on it.

cossiedad

P.S. Slightly off topic but did you get the payment for the 3 bar and has it been posted yet? cheeRS

fordsportjay

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cheers mate
3 bar has been sent

kev 3dr

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Jay your older than me mate so you will be fine driving a 7.5tonne but if its got a Digi Tacho fitted you will have to apply for a card for it think they are about £35

fordsportjay

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so what is the score with the digital tachographs.dont i need a card? as im only hiring a wagon for a short period of time would a manual record of driving hours be ok?

fordsportjay

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so i wouldnt be able to drive without a card.....ive told him i would do it on sunday!!!

focusv8

You don't need to use a tacho if it's for private use.

You could fall foul of Vosa if you are carrying business goods for a mate, if it was personal stuff you'd probably be O.k

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kev 3dr

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no you shouldnt mate i know im fround upon and im only doing 4 miles tops running odd ones back and to for service

martynhomer01

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ignorance is pure bliss imo

fordsportjay

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dont think photo booths would be classed as personal.....

oh shit,the van has been hired.
im supposed to be taking photo booths to london and fitting them into train stations in the early hours of the morning.im stopping over for 4 days and another driver is trunking back and to collecting more booths during the day for me to fit at night.my only driving,once down there is from the hotel in london to the train stn.then on last day drive the wagon back empty.

fordsportjay

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.my mate normally does the movements for this company but because its a big job including a lot of booths a long way they have decided to use 7.5 tonne wagons.because he hasnt got entitlement he asked me if i wanted to do it and i said yes.no-one mentioned a driver card to me at the place or when we collected the wagon.its only that the other driver asked me if i had a card that got me thinking....and i looked it up when i got back
its all set up now,with 6 people on board and another installation team in london.cant really get out of it now without causing huge disruption and maybe losing my mate his yearly contract.

fordsportjay

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it would have been......

ricky g

my work seem to think i can do a print out in the morning, and in the evening. but cant tell me how its done. i have a card and havent forgotten it yet so not had to find out a way. cant you just pay someone else to drive the lorry for you? or is it too short notice to find someone?

ajamesc

as you are working yes u will need a tacho card and will have to drive to tacho rules if court u will get done for driveing without a tacho

Big G

You need the digi card or run the risk of getting fisted dry by the Vostapo.

Iain Mac

I understood the entitlement to drive 7.5 tonners for us oldies was not for hire & reward, ie only for personal use?

fordsportjay

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cant get out of it now......

what are the potential consequences of driving a 7.5 tonne without a digi-card?

B13 JUS

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i believe this is only correct when you are applying for your card or you have lost it. you can do it if you forgot your card.
so i think you can run without a card as long as you have applied for one and do a print out on a morning and evening.

edited to say you can only run on print outs for 2 weeks

Big G

£5k fine

As usual the official sites are as clear as mud so some frantic googling

http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/view...hp?f=7&t=45255

B13 JUS

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here is some more info

http://www.roadtransport.com/RoadLeg...chographs.html

Can a digitally equipped vehicle be driven without a driver card?

Drivers aren’t obligated to apply for a smart card but may not drive a digital tacho equipped vehicle without one unless their card has been lost or stolen. A driver may continue to drive without his card for 15 calendar days in these circumstances. However, a replacement card must be applied for within seven calendar days.
If driving without a card, or if the driver card is damaged or malfunctions, drivers must by law use the vehicle unit’s facility to produce printed records of all relevant details, including the driver’s own details, and sign the printouts.
The printouts must be produced at the beginning and end of each journey.
Note that drivers who have been issued with a smart card must carry it with them at all times when driving a vehicle that falls under EU hours rules - whether or not they are driving a digital equipped vehicle.

fordsportjay

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i feel sick now........

the company has a big contract to supply these botths over the next week starting sunday afternoon. everyone got together today and its all going ahead.
its only when i saw the digi card machine in the truck and the only other driver mentioning a card that i have looked into it.
my mate who put me onto it is away on holiday-he only ever asked me if i could drive a 7.5 tonne lorry,and i said i could.had no idea of all this card stuff.

looks like ive got 2 options;
take a chance
or
pull out of it and fuck it all up for everyone else involved

fordsportjay

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how does the digi machine work?
can a printout be taken without a card?

vaughant

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Read the post above Jay,you can print the details out via the tacho system,job done fella.there must be a system for exactly that reason.it's probably like a memory stick or something to download the info then print it out.don't worry,go for it I say,who the fucks going to enforce a £5000 fine?

B13 JUS

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yes you can
i'm sure there's a print button but if not its its in the options

ajamesc

U can only print at the begining and end of the day if u have lost or damaged your card u carnt just do it in place of haveing a card and as for who will inforce it lol vosa or the police they take tacho offences very serious and the tacho head has a printer in it to print your days work out you go into the menu and chose print

focusv8

At this late stage printing at the start and finish would be the only option, at least if you are stopped you can prove your start time.

Has the other driver got a card, for his benefit not yours.
.

AndyGranger

If your picking it up the hire company may request your card and photo copy it along with your licence,
Dont they have any older motors that have an analogue tacho fitted >56 plate will still be on analogue more than likely
then just use a chart and take a spare

fordsportjay

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already got it.....sat outside my house.
07 plate ldv.with a digi tacho,that i thought was a stereo at first!!!
cost them 800.00 quid to hire 2 of them for 10 days.

hire company never mentioned it and company im driving for didnt ask either.....just both parts of licence.im going to apply for one just in case for the future,but cant see a way out of this sundays driving now

fordsportjay

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yes,other driver has one-he used to drive for curry's.

so if i was to print at start and finish,how exactly do i go about it?

trev1964

Completely illegal and a very serious offence if you get stopped mate.
I left my card at home and had to go back and get it, there are no circumstances under which you can drive without it unless it is lost, stolen or damaged, you then have to do a print out for your records.
When i applied for my card, i wasn't allowed to drive a digi tacho equipped vehicle until it had arrived.
If you get caught, the fine will be huge, the points will be large and they will impound the vehicle.
The transport manager at the company that hired it will be in massive trouble as well.
Sorry fella, all bad news.
Don't drive it, worst case scenario is horrible.
Much the same as has been previously posted but here are the rules that affect you...

Can I drive without a Digital Tachograph Card inserted?
Your Digital Tachograph must be inserted at the begining of every shift, the only exception to this is if the card is Lost, Stolen or Defective.
If you have never previously applied for a Digicard you can not, under any circumstances, drive a vehicle with a Digital tachograph fitted.

3drzetec

dont know about private use but for work we have to keep the last 28 days tacho's with you in the truck(a max of 40) or if you havent drive in the last 28 days you have to have a diary of work hours and break times. if you havent you can be fined. sorry to put a spanner in the works but the driving laws have change a lot over the last few years.

Si B

iTrader: (59)

Jay, ideally you need to find someone else to drive the truck sadly. I'm sure for a suitable amount of pennies someone will run it down to London for you

I'd offer to do it, but I'm in Somerset, so I'd need a way of getting to you first, and then getting back from London to home early hours of Monday morning... v difficult, but not entirely impossible if someone wants to cover my costs

fordsportjay

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bit more awkward im afraid...

supposed to be driving from warrington to london, then every evening from 11pm to 4am fitting photo booths into train stations until thursday and staying at hotel in london.
other driver is trunking back and to collecting booths from huddersfield and bringing to london for me to drop off......

its a big contract and a lot of money by sounds of it and amount of people involved in the shop refits..47 booths!
hence it being VERY difficult for me to get out of now...

Csm

You can drive with no card if the digi-tacho has been applied for for 2 weeks

Have had plenty drivers at my work do this with the instruction from our transport manager

Keep a manual log on the old paper disc tacho's if you can get your hands on some and try to get the didgi-machine to give you a printout aswell

You are being honest at the end of the day which is far more than most of the drivers on the road

arch

Jay,
What he said mate. If you get caught your are going to have to pay a large fine, the courts do not like drivers who are even slightly dodgy about drivers hours etc. All it takes is a VOSA stop check fella.

Iain Mac

But forgetting all about the tacho:
Unless you already have an HGV licence, you aren't allowed to drive the truck for hire or reward - I've just checked mine and although C1 entitlement is there, it has "Category restriction1 applies" - and on the back of the licence it says "not for hire/reward".

So you are worrying about breaking the tacho rules when you are planning to drive without a licence?

mk7fiesta

you could hire me I have a digi card and class1 so no problems with driving the little box van.£150 a day cash will do it.

Graham S1

Press "menu", scroll up or down to "print", select 24hrs, and press "ok". Simples.

Big G

Absolute fucking bullshit, Tell your TM that he doesnt deserve his job for instructing his staff that, and the drivers need a serious word with themselves for not knowing the laws about their job.