fuel prices...wtf ?
05-11-2010, 11:31 AM
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nope as you are legally entitled to produce your own upto 2600 litres without paying duty.
with red you are AVOIDING the duty hence the harsh punishment and thus seen as defrauding the government and the queen. - Pretty much the same as nicking electricity/gas etc
with red you are AVOIDING the duty hence the harsh punishment and thus seen as defrauding the government and the queen. - Pretty much the same as nicking electricity/gas etc
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
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i see, so you could get away with bio on a tachnicality, but do you have to keep records of production ammounts?
05-11-2010, 11:50 AM
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Ive run a few older cars/vans on veg with no problems, i normaly use new oil though to save messing about with filtering etc although this is now getting hard to find at sensible prices... As above you dont need to pay any duty on small amounts..
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05-11-2010, 11:55 AM
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Bio is a false economy, off work today (loosing coin) as fuel filter goosed also injectors blocked, used 2 tanks of bio thought i was saving coin @ 90p litre. old type transit . Got t go pay the nice man at garage more effin coin. stick bio up ya ....
05-11-2010, 12:06 PM
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Scampi fries in the fuel filter?
05-11-2010, 12:06 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:09 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:11 PM
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On my x reg astra which has a fly-by-wire pump you cannot run veg and it has to be processed due to the fine tolerances in modern engines - thus using bio. I have never gone into a petrol station and put bio in straight off the pump.
I use homebrew bio and have never had any issues in the 2 years i have been using it in this car. All i do is change the fuel filter every other month (costs 6 quid) and thats it.
I reckon your pump was fooked or clsoe to fooked prior to using it and this just pushed it over the edge. Defo someting not right there.
I know loads of people using veg/bio without any issues whatsoever and i personally wouldnt bother running a diesel on anything but this now.
Diesel engines were originally built to run on peanut oil i think or was it rapeseed.
05-11-2010, 12:11 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:14 PM
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not being funny mate but i have run old and new veg oil in my old mk2 mondeo without any issues for almost 2 years. They have a mech diesel pump.
On my x reg astra which has a fly-by-wire pump you cannot run veg and it has to be processed due to the fine tolerances in modern engines - thus using bio. I have never gone into a petrol station and put bio in straight off the pump.
I use homebrew bio and have never had any issues in the 2 years i have been using it in this car. All i do is change the fuel filter every other month (costs 6 quid) and thats it.
I reckon your pump was fooked or clsoe to fooked prior to using it and this just pushed it over the edge. Defo someting not right there.
I know loads of people using veg/bio without any issues whatsoever and i personally wouldnt bother running a diesel on anything but this now.
Diesel engines were originally built to run on peanut oil i think or was it rapeseed.
On my x reg astra which has a fly-by-wire pump you cannot run veg and it has to be processed due to the fine tolerances in modern engines - thus using bio. I have never gone into a petrol station and put bio in straight off the pump.
I use homebrew bio and have never had any issues in the 2 years i have been using it in this car. All i do is change the fuel filter every other month (costs 6 quid) and thats it.
I reckon your pump was fooked or clsoe to fooked prior to using it and this just pushed it over the edge. Defo someting not right there.
I know loads of people using veg/bio without any issues whatsoever and i personally wouldnt bother running a diesel on anything but this now.
Diesel engines were originally built to run on peanut oil i think or was it rapeseed.
05-11-2010, 12:15 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:17 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:22 PM
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its been going strong for several years.
A mate runs his W reg Transporter van on it - we have been to Holland, Belgium, Cologne in that running on bio.
For example, I can take my car to Amsterdam from slough and it will only drink 3/4 tank there which works out less than 30 quid
A mate runs his W reg Transporter van on it - we have been to Holland, Belgium, Cologne in that running on bio.
For example, I can take my car to Amsterdam from slough and it will only drink 3/4 tank there which works out less than 30 quid
05-11-2010, 12:28 PM
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There was a chip shop near me that got into trouble recently for dumping old oil into a river, should of sent them your way ran!
05-11-2010, 12:35 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:40 PM
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seen Ł1.23 for deisel yesterday !!! i still have some old cooking oil ,i use 30% mix goes fine in the old escort but not sure if i get a connect will it work or not.
05-11-2010, 12:47 PM
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05-11-2010, 12:47 PM
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a good point about the mixing - which is prob why roofer ron's transit died.
When i ran veg oil in my mondeo - in the summer I had a 60/30 mix of diesel/veg, rising to 50/50 in the hotter climate.
In the winter I ran a 70/30 mix of diesel to veg and had no issues - if you run more than that you are risking damage as the veg needs to be heated before it enters the system in really cold weather.
When i ran veg oil in my mondeo - in the summer I had a 60/30 mix of diesel/veg, rising to 50/50 in the hotter climate.
In the winter I ran a 70/30 mix of diesel to veg and had no issues - if you run more than that you are risking damage as the veg needs to be heated before it enters the system in really cold weather.
05-11-2010, 12:49 PM
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a good point about the mixing - which is prob why roofer ron's transit died.
When i ran veg oil in my mondeo - in the summer I had a 60/30 mix of diesel/veg, rising to 50/50 in the hotter climate.
In the winter I ran a 70/30 mix of diesel to veg and had no issues - if you run more than that you are risking damage as the veg needs to be heated before it enters the system in really cold weather.
When i ran veg oil in my mondeo - in the summer I had a 60/30 mix of diesel/veg, rising to 50/50 in the hotter climate.
In the winter I ran a 70/30 mix of diesel to veg and had no issues - if you run more than that you are risking damage as the veg needs to be heated before it enters the system in really cold weather.
05-11-2010, 01:11 PM
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ive run my citoren zx / discovery tdi 200 / pug expert van on it with no issues whats so ever & have done many many miles, infact to me they seem to run better, The veg oil actually has better lubricating properties than diesel so ive read... Dont go trying to run it in you modern comon rail / high pressure diesel injection cars/vans though as you will do damage to the pump etc... As for mix ratio as a norm i stick to 50/50 mix & if it starts to become a little slow to start in the cold weather drop back to 70/30 but saying that ive run it neat on veg b4 a fair few times with no issues... i always change the fuel filter every 2/3 months but to be honest they still look mint but i just do it anyway to be on the safe side...
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05-11-2010, 01:23 PM
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a good point about the mixing - which is prob why roofer ron's transit died.
When i ran veg oil in my mondeo - in the summer I had a 60/30 mix of diesel/veg, rising to 50/50 in the hotter climate.
In the winter I ran a 70/30 mix of diesel to veg and had no issues - if you run more than that you are risking damage as the veg needs to be heated before it enters the system in really cold weather.
When i ran veg oil in my mondeo - in the summer I had a 60/30 mix of diesel/veg, rising to 50/50 in the hotter climate.
In the winter I ran a 70/30 mix of diesel to veg and had no issues - if you run more than that you are risking damage as the veg needs to be heated before it enters the system in really cold weather.
at 60/30 
But what are you mixing it with? Some veg oil and what else
05-11-2010, 01:44 PM
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Don't they make diesel by default while refining oil to make petrol?
Not 100% on that but I'm sure I read something like that.......so surely it should be way cheaper.
The gov couldn't really give a shit what we use to power our cars, vans, trucks or even houses........they'll tax them whatever way they choose to keep the cash rolling in......
Not 100% on that but I'm sure I read something like that.......so surely it should be way cheaper.
The gov couldn't really give a shit what we use to power our cars, vans, trucks or even houses........they'll tax them whatever way they choose to keep the cash rolling in......
05-11-2010, 01:50 PM
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forget the green shit if its going to happen it will weather you drive a f1 or a 1300 clio-.
China and the usa dont give a f- so why should we!
we get brainwashed think about this-re -cycle!! half hour drive to the centre-!!!!!!! diesel!!!-ha-ha whos the momnkey???????????????
China and the usa dont give a f- so why should we!
we get brainwashed think about this-re -cycle!! half hour drive to the centre-!!!!!!! diesel!!!-ha-ha whos the momnkey???????????????
05-11-2010, 02:02 PM
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It isn't going to get any cheaper either! Most of the problem is tax and of course inflation putting prices up in nominal terms where wages will be staying the same, making it seem more expensive to most, but what's really going on is we'll be getting a pay cut in real terms.
I'm sure it was 76.9p when I passed my test in 2004, so what Glenny's saying can't be right surely!
I'm sure it was 76.9p when I passed my test in 2004, so what Glenny's saying can't be right surely!
05-11-2010, 02:57 PM
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I heard that VW/Audi warrant their diesel engines to run 100% bio.
AFAIK also, and from experience, after a tank or 2 running bio for the first time you need to change the fuel filter as it cleans the crud from the tank ect and bungs up the filter.
In 1995 I paid 54.9 for 4 star petrol, nowadays I am around Ł1.18 and it costs me around Ł70 to fill up my 5 series, giving me anything up to 400miles to a tank
AFAIK also, and from experience, after a tank or 2 running bio for the first time you need to change the fuel filter as it cleans the crud from the tank ect and bungs up the filter.
In 1995 I paid 54.9 for 4 star petrol, nowadays I am around Ł1.18 and it costs me around Ł70 to fill up my 5 series, giving me anything up to 400miles to a tank
05-11-2010, 03:06 PM
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05-11-2010, 03:11 PM
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05-11-2010, 03:26 PM
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much like the new word seriosly changed the fuel filter a few times but i think it was because i went a bit ott on the mix,need to back off the % in the colder weather,too much oil and it starts to get quite thick.had the fuel tank off the other week and looked clean in there need to check if your car/van is ok to run it,later models wont take it.my van is a 2000 w plate.
