Stu @ M Developments

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Not at all, a live map is £500 and gives you the basic chip you are talking about so its not £500 AND £700 at all. Prices here:

If we are talking about just ALS and LC then ANY customer with one of our L8 or P8 chips can have it retrofitted for £450 inc vat all in.

rs tingle

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hi there stu i have a L1 ecu with a stage3 chip in how much would it cost me to get als an lc and will i need to sell my L1 ecu for a L8ecu

martysmartie

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Yes you need a L8.

Martin

Stu @ M Developments

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The upgrade to both from any chip is £450 mate, and in that you get the free conversion of your chip to L8.

Ginge !

sorry but i have YET to find a car with aftermarket that starts from cold without tickling the throttle to keep it running in all temps..... i have to go aftermarket on mne and i fucking hate the idea of waking my neighbours as my car idles at 2k when cold or hunts about when im closing the garage door ect ect ect

when warm they are fine but when cold generally they run like a car with a set of fucked leads on some mornings

Rsmat

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+1

scoooby slayer

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my pfc has its moments sometimes on cold running idle lol

ajamesc

go for autronics then lol or vipec as mine dosent do that nor dose my mates on vipec

tabetha

Mine starts from cold with NO idle control valve, just the regular base idle of 950rpm, idle is perfect, but unlike the L1/6/8 can be adjusted in a few mins if needed with a thing called a laptop, and lead, and the disc supplied, and the whole ecu setting come to that, if I can do it anyone can.
A 2K idle is not very good at all, most likely not needed either, when I had a working iscv it was 1350rpm.
tabetha

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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A decent well set up after market ecu will run spot on for every occassion!!



cheers danny

JonnyBravo

The ONLY reason all these cars mapped on aftermarket ecu's wont do cold start is that their mapped in one day, once their hot how can you map the cold start ? You can't.

The difference between a car mapped in a day and one over a week is very noticeable.

I've found before that IF the people mapping it really know what their doing they have a rough idea what figures need to be entered for cold start ( excuse my lack of techy wording ) so they can be ok, Track & Road did my mates Nova in one night and the cold start was spot on but thats probably as they've mapped more MBE than I've had dinners.

R4N SS

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an uncut 3dr loom (like what i have spare ) is around 200 quid

a cut 3dr loom i would say is around the 150 mark

a new loom from omex for example is between 150-200 fully terminated so plug and play.

I know what i would rather have - a 25 year old loom or a brand new one

R4N SS

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well if you shop around you can get a second hand omex 600 ecu around 450-480. Im sure mapping can be had for around 300-350 so you have plenty of scope for fitting.

Also - you can get a few hundred quid back for your L8 too.

R4N SS

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aha I stand corrected then.

so its 500 for the map and another 450 for the ALS/LC?

Gary F

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Not another one

xr4x4rs

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isnt a 3dr engine loom the same as a 2wd saf loom?

James @ M Developments.

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will work the same mate

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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No disrespect, but as an upgrade, I think that is actually quite a high price and probably puts people off and makes them consider aftermarket solutions instead. !

chaffe

MS efi does anti lag and costs around 250 quid with a loom, but you need to have a fair idea of what your doing with it before fitting and mapping it yourself, no use for "chequebook racers", always an option though.

R4N SS

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Omex has a relatively easy interface to use - even i have used it - albeit only to alter a few values as my mate was driving and he was telling me what to change - so it is monkey friendly to a point

SiZT

Then wasted spark(£?) and closed loop (£?).

Soon starts to add up.

CossieRich

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Don't know why people are messing about with OLD ecu's when for a few quid extra you could have a decent NEW ecu that has the capabilities built in rather than add-ons.

xr4x4rs

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its down to personal choice tbh, im sticking with l8 regardless of what after market system there is, the only after market ecu i will go is a t6-2000 thats it

chaffe

totaly agree, and all cars should run wasted spark or cops IMO, distributors are in the dark ages, reliability and performance wise.

chaffe

every aftermarket ecu ive ever seen runs closed loop as std, most (all the ones ive seen) run als too, i just bought a KMS ecu with loom for £100 and it will do all of the above.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Agreed .. But there will always be those who want a plug a chip in and go solution rather than go through all the hastle of fitting a new ecu, live mapping etc...

R4N SS

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aha - so i was kinda correct then.

Its great people are still developing the original management but the costs are far great when compared to the competition with newer technolgy all built in as rich said IMO

James @ M Developments.

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all you save on aftermarket is a driver and an ign amp, you still need all the rest,

coil packs, looms, and leads etc are not free

with closed loop you still need a sensor and the wiring,

chaffe

If you buy them, if you make a loom its free, all the coilpacks ive ever used were from my local scrapyard, and only a few pounds

chaffe

a lambda sensor and the four wires it comes with is not dear either james, not having a dig, just saying

James @ M Developments.

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you can use those coil packs on ours if you want, and make your own loom....

all im saying is the bits are not free on any management, so making it out as dead cheap is wrong,

chaffe

lol, wiring is easy, most coils will work on most applications, in fact if using twin coils and wasted spark forn coil packs are the best around.

James @ M Developments.

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i know mate, so using wasted spark on L8 can infact cost you a driver more than it would on aftermarket, so its no great saving!

If your on P8 you dont even need a driver!

chaffe

It can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be, but making it cheap requires quite a lot of knowledge of electronics, ecus, electrics and how engines and thier management work, not for everyone agreed, but then thats how you make a living

JamesH

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Given the choice I'd definately go for aftermarket.

Simply because

-More people can map it
-It's newer
-More features

JamesH

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James, I seem to remember a post about this ages ago, where Stu even said if he had the choice, and was doing it from scratch, he'd go aftermarket

chaffe

Prehaps not on an l8 system, but when using wasted spark and ford edis on ms it can be quite reasonable, and easier than using the hall sensor and distributor. Anyway a little off the ALS topic lol.

R4N SS

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so are you saying it CAN work out more ?

chaffe

May i add, the reason i HAVE to use after market is that all my cars are turbo conversions, usualy with an engine from another car, so no loom or ecu is present in the car to run the system in the first place, therefore the only option to me is aftermarket. Usualy all i want is for the car to start and run and be tunable with both fuel and ignition timing, so any aftermarket ecu (within reason) is usualy suitable

James @ M Developments.

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i probably would aswell if starting from scratch,

But most cosworths already have an ECU