Diesel remaps - worth it?
31-10-2010, 12:05 PM
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Diesel remaps - worth it?
I'm buying a 56 plate golf with the 140 bhp engine, will i really notice a big difference from a remap? Is it likely to fuck the clutch, its done 60k?
Finally, who's best to contact in west mids (solihull/brum area)
Finally, who's best to contact in west mids (solihull/brum area)
31-10-2010, 12:09 PM
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no mate to be honest wast of money
you need a plug n play box much better than re map as its only a re flash you will get
2 mates with 1.9 diesel astras
ones on the tuning box and the other re flash
tuning box gets more mpg and is alot faster when he boots it
clutch will be fine also
you need a plug n play box much better than re map as its only a re flash you will get
2 mates with 1.9 diesel astras
ones on the tuning box and the other re flash
tuning box gets more mpg and is alot faster when he boots it
clutch will be fine also
31-10-2010, 12:15 PM
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some cars respond to remaps better than others, but some do hinder thier lifespan
the 140 golf is fairly great as it is, used to run one as a company pool car for a while and it was fast enough, brakes wern't all that though and the steering was dead but in a straight line, it was fairly epic for a motor you could park anywhere and not worry about
the 140 golf is fairly great as it is, used to run one as a company pool car for a while and it was fast enough, brakes wern't all that though and the steering was dead but in a straight line, it was fairly epic for a motor you could park anywhere and not worry about
31-10-2010, 12:19 PM
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A remap on a turbo diesel is one of the best things you can do for the money. Mates got a 1.9tdi seat leon, 110bhp standard. One trip to AMD later and it's 150bhp, a metric fuckload of torque, and better fuel economy, for a few hundred quid. Do it mate, you won't be dissapointed! (vag engines respond really well it remaps it seems)
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31-10-2010, 12:23 PM
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A remap on a turbo diesel is one of the best things you can do for the money. Mates got a 1.9tdi seat leon, 110bhp standard. One trip to AMD later and it's 150bhp, a metric fuckload of torque, and better fuel economy, for a few hundred quid. Do it mate, you won't be dissapointed! (vag engines respond really well it remaps it seems)
you much more for your money with the box and its only 1 plug
fit it in mins
31-10-2010, 12:30 PM
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But, they're all a generic map on the boxes, and due to engines not being 100% the same, don't alwyas get the best results. A decent re-map from somewhere like AMD will include them checking the map, rolling roading the car, and if needed altering the map to get the best gains from the engine.
31-10-2010, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by zetec-Sam
A remap on a turbo diesel is one of the best things you can do for the money. Mates got a 1.9tdi seat leon, 110bhp standard. One trip to AMD later and it's 150bhp, a metric fuckload of torque, and better fuel economy, for a few hundred quid. Do it mate, you won't be dissapointed! (vag engines respond really well it remaps it seems)
Getting old at 26! 
V-man - I'm an utter window licker with spanners/electrics so would not be doing any fitting myself, I don't mind admitting that.
I would want some kind of warranty for peace of mind so would be looking to use a well established tuning company if I were to go ahead.
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31-10-2010, 12:51 PM
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31-10-2010, 12:53 PM
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31-10-2010, 12:54 PM
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i'm sure there is a vw tuner that the redline guys use to sort their vag stuff out, maybe the best place to ask what would be the best thing to do
or you could always pick up performance vw and have a look at different place
just make sure you ask peole wbout who you are going to use BEFORE you use them as there ar some horror stories out there
or you could always pick up performance vw and have a look at different place
just make sure you ask peole wbout who you are going to use BEFORE you use them as there ar some horror stories out there
31-10-2010, 12:58 PM
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There is no way I'd fit a tuning box to my Diesel, but I will definitely get a remap.
31-10-2010, 01:03 PM
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theres is a big difference between a tuning box, a generic flash map and good remap done by a tuner on a rolling road.
the tuning box is the crudest and dumbest way of doing it as it is just fooling the ecu into dumping more fuel in.
the generic flash map is better than that as it is a remap made by a tuner but backed off a bit so it can be used on all engines. there is no foolng the ecu with this and is therefore much better than a tuning box.
a propper remap however is by FAR the best method as its your car mapped on a rolling road specifically for your engine!!! therefore it optimises your engine and should not be coppied and used on anyone elses as the tollorences in their engine may be poorer than yours and could in theory kill their engine!
modern diesel engines generally respond VERY well to remaps and the stnadard clutches are usually beefy enough to easily cope with the additional torque.
BigChez, if i were you i'd get onto the vag forums as there will be far more knowledge on there regarding your specific engine.
the tuning box is the crudest and dumbest way of doing it as it is just fooling the ecu into dumping more fuel in.
the generic flash map is better than that as it is a remap made by a tuner but backed off a bit so it can be used on all engines. there is no foolng the ecu with this and is therefore much better than a tuning box.
a propper remap however is by FAR the best method as its your car mapped on a rolling road specifically for your engine!!! therefore it optimises your engine and should not be coppied and used on anyone elses as the tollorences in their engine may be poorer than yours and could in theory kill their engine!
modern diesel engines generally respond VERY well to remaps and the stnadard clutches are usually beefy enough to easily cope with the additional torque.
BigChez, if i were you i'd get onto the vag forums as there will be far more knowledge on there regarding your specific engine.
31-10-2010, 01:10 PM
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We did some work on a 150bhp PD engine not long ago and that had a remap of 205bhp. The car come to us for a 6 paddle clutch as the standard clutch cant cope with the extra bhp. Also dont forget that VW gearbox are shit so anything over standard will only cause you problems.
31-10-2010, 01:11 PM
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I generally find people with tuning boxes swear by them, but have never tried a proper remap. The tuning box companies are very persuasive, and while they may be fine on your Montego Diesel, there's no way I'd fit one to a common rail diesel.
31-10-2010, 01:13 PM
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VAG diesels are one of the very best to remap. Revo software is what you want and the 1.9PD diesel responds exceptionally well. My previous Ibiza 1.9 PD had 300lb ft torque and was on Revo 1 software, the next stage would have taken it to around 350lb ft. It had no detrimental effect on the clutch, mpg was improved if driven lightly.
31-10-2010, 01:13 PM
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Ive had 3 vag pd diesel cars 100, 130 and 150
The standard clutches are shite and dont last that long with standard power let alone turning it into an animal
id be looking at doing the clutch first then a remap or just dont bother and save a lot of cash as they are bloody good standard
The standard clutches are shite and dont last that long with standard power let alone turning it into an animal
id be looking at doing the clutch first then a remap or just dont bother and save a lot of cash as they are bloody good standard
31-10-2010, 01:14 PM
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WE do loads and on 3 of my own cars,totally awesome the 140 tdi will see 190 hp and 350 lbft!!!!and still return between 36-40 mpg around town and 46 mpg on a run..
We do more tdi re maps than anything else..
cheers danny
We do more tdi re maps than anything else..
cheers danny
31-10-2010, 01:17 PM
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VAG diesels are one of the very best to remap. Revo software is what you want and the 1.9PD diesel responds exceptionally well. My previous Ibiza 1.9 PD had 300lb ft torque and was on Revo 1 software, the next stage would have taken it to around 350lb ft. It had no detrimental effect on the clutch, mpg was improved if driven lightly.
31-10-2010, 02:53 PM
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Remaps loads better than a tuning box, http://www.r-techpower.co.uk/ these guys are near you I think, they remapped my golf, absolutely transformed it. And the after sales service is second to none. have a look on golfgtiforum.co.uk loads of guys have used them and are well happy!
31-10-2010, 05:45 PM
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fook me i read some fooking shite on here, classic examples above without a doubt.
A flash is the method off uploading the data to the ECU, it can be a completely new map/custom map, the data can and will be flashed into the storage device in the ecu as long as it has the medium to take a flash, if not it will be burned into the correct medium.
PF strikes again.
To the OP - go and have it done by a reputable dealer, tell the what you want before you book it in, if the your chosen tuner cannot accomodate what you need then find someone who can.
I have dealt with pretty much all forms of modified VW diesels, and Revo is definately not the best out there as stated above.
I have also ran my own PD engined vehicle for over 3 years, I had it remapped when I bought it, standard gearbox, standard clutch, standard DMF - never had an issue with it. The main reason, i stated how I wanted it to drive, and what I wanted from the map - I got all of those and retained 100% reliability.
Please do not plug in a generic box to the injector plug, your gains will be global and not breakpoint specific.
If you need any more info please ask.
31-10-2010, 05:53 PM
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People to talk to here are Evo Chips Middlesex...
Bobby's Golf puts out 266hp (unsure of torque), from a PD150 Mk4 Golf (big turbo yes), and STILL retains 40-50mpg!! The car does 300-400odd miles a week if not more!
This guy is THE guy to talk to when it comes to tuning diesels!
Hes pretty far from you (west london), however, it might be worthwhile getting his opinion!
bassboy
Bobby's Golf puts out 266hp (unsure of torque), from a PD150 Mk4 Golf (big turbo yes), and STILL retains 40-50mpg!! The car does 300-400odd miles a week if not more!
This guy is THE guy to talk to when it comes to tuning diesels!
Hes pretty far from you (west london), however, it might be worthwhile getting his opinion!
bassboy
31-10-2010, 05:55 PM
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Speak to lloyd on he he dose them in coventry but is mobile so can come to you .hes done my jeep crd and the dti and cant fault them after the work has been done drive much better and better on fuel
31-10-2010, 06:03 PM
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We are down by gatwick west sussex and will do you a before and after power graph on our dynodynamics rr and as markk says tell us what you want and we can deliver the whole job all in for Ł300..
My 3 cars have been done now for over 15k on one of them all std clutches and boxes etc with no probs!!
cheers danny
My 3 cars have been done now for over 15k on one of them all std clutches and boxes etc with no probs!!
cheers danny
31-10-2010, 06:08 PM
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Tuning box's are SHITE! Stay well clear, get a proper remap, its the best thing you can do to a turbo diesel engine, it completely changes the car! Get a proper remap though and not a cheapy Ebay Ł150 job.
All the cars i have remapped using the Evolution Chips software have been mega. Do it.
All the cars i have remapped using the Evolution Chips software have been mega. Do it.
31-10-2010, 06:11 PM
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Had my Mondeo st tdci done 18 months ago By Kenny @ Msd , no issues to date and am pleased with the difference ,money well spent imo.
31-10-2010, 06:21 PM
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Tuning box's are SHITE! Stay well clear, get a proper remap, its the best thing you can do to a turbo diesel engine, it completely changes the car! Get a proper remap though and not a cheapy Ebay Ł150 job.
All the cars i have remapped using the Evolution Chips software have been mega. Do it.
All the cars i have remapped using the Evolution Chips software have been mega. Do it.
Awesome maps!!!
cheers danny
31-10-2010, 07:41 PM
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total crap !
fook me i read some fooking shite on here, classic examples above without a doubt.
A flash is the method off uploading the data to the ECU, it can be a completely new map/custom map, the data can and will be flashed into the storage device in the ecu as long as it has the medium to take a flash, if not it will be burned into the correct medium.
PF strikes again.
To the OP - go and have it done by a reputable dealer, tell the what you want before you book it in, if the your chosen tuner cannot accomodate what you need then find someone who can.
I have dealt with pretty much all forms of modified VW diesels, and Revo is definately not the best out there as stated above.
I have also ran my own PD engined vehicle for over 3 years, I had it remapped when I bought it, standard gearbox, standard clutch, standard DMF - never had an issue with it. The main reason, i stated how I wanted it to drive, and what I wanted from the map - I got all of those and retained 100% reliability.
Please do not plug in a generic box to the injector plug, your gains will be global and not breakpoint specific.
If you need any more info please ask.
fook me i read some fooking shite on here, classic examples above without a doubt.
A flash is the method off uploading the data to the ECU, it can be a completely new map/custom map, the data can and will be flashed into the storage device in the ecu as long as it has the medium to take a flash, if not it will be burned into the correct medium.
PF strikes again.
To the OP - go and have it done by a reputable dealer, tell the what you want before you book it in, if the your chosen tuner cannot accomodate what you need then find someone who can.
I have dealt with pretty much all forms of modified VW diesels, and Revo is definately not the best out there as stated above.
I have also ran my own PD engined vehicle for over 3 years, I had it remapped when I bought it, standard gearbox, standard clutch, standard DMF - never had an issue with it. The main reason, i stated how I wanted it to drive, and what I wanted from the map - I got all of those and retained 100% reliability.
Please do not plug in a generic box to the injector plug, your gains will be global and not breakpoint specific.
If you need any more info please ask.
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31-10-2010, 08:09 PM
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I'm sure you're still trying to troll on here...
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31-10-2010, 10:11 PM
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Give the guys at r-tech a call as they will adjust the map to accomadate your needs.
Had my golf done there and the map is superb,with smooth power to the redline.Even taking my little olop tdi up there for a remap next month.
Had my golf done there and the map is superb,with smooth power to the redline.Even taking my little olop tdi up there for a remap next month.
