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Old 25-10-2010 | 06:19 PM
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Default YB or 24v Cosworth V6

whats better and why? reliabilty, tuning etc
Old 25-10-2010 | 06:23 PM
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v6 cosworth in standard form like mine in a sapphire will give you 220bhp and 234ft of torque which is a lot of fun
you can at a turbo or turbos running 7psi of boost with no internal modifications to engine which should see 300bhp with reliability

With yb the sky and the bank balance will be the limiting factor

i have both in my v6 and the 16v yb
Old 25-10-2010 | 06:26 PM
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dad has a v6 cosoworth in his capri, has 200hp and 210ft torque.... would you swap it for the YB?
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If you've got the money i'd definatley go with a YB.
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what are they like to drive?
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the way i look at it is for the money the 24v is amazing, and super reliable.

unless i had 3k+ to spend i wouldnt go near a yb as when something goes wrong its costly.

as capri280 said bolt a turbo on and your seeing 300bhp on low boost
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what are they like to drive?
All depends what state of tune they are in, it can be like night and day.
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single turbo conversions from top boss any good for Ł2800?
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Bin them both and fit a V8

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but then people will know what engine is in it defeats the object
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or use a supercharger on the 24v, will see 300bhp easiy and wont have to worry about internals etc.....
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or use a supercharger on the 24v, will see 300bhp easiy and wont have to worry about internals etc.....
isnt the supercharger a little more work? and will give the same power as bolting a turbo on?
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I have a 24v in my race car, it's been great and very reliable but it has restricted my racing as good as it is it just ain't powerfull enough, I have just bought a yb and will be fitting it over the winter.

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why not just modify the engine youve got?
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Originally Posted by PileOfRust
why not just modify the engine youve got?
cost against bhp increase..

my yb all in will have cost me 2,5k for that I will have 360/370 bhp
it's a bolt in conversion that is in every cossie so parts are easy to get.

to turbo the 24v I'm in a minority and parts/fabrication is going to be a pain and expensive, plus I will get a few bob back from selling my boa,g box, stainless exhaust, and wiring/ecu

a no brainer in my book.

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Originally Posted by capri280
v6 cosworth in standard form like mine in a sapphire will give you 220bhp and 234ft of torque which is a lot of fun
you can at a turbo or turbos running 7psi of boost with no internal modifications to engine which should see 300bhp with reliability

With yb the sky and the bank balance will be the limiting factor

i have both in my v6 and the 16v yb
Its only a non turbo petrol, the torque output wont be anywhere near that figure..
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Originally Posted by FordsR4Chavs
Its only a non turbo petrol, the torque output wont be anywhere near that figure..
his car was rolling roaded with more power than that mate i believe.
Old 25-10-2010 | 08:06 PM
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24v's are very torquey engines though
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You all know my opinion! a v6 24v will give 300+ bhp and 400lbft of torque, with minimal lag and good reliability much cheaper then a yb, yes its heavier, but it is much more cost effective between the 3-400 bhp band, and realy who runs this much power in a yb on a DAILY basis? the v6 can be used every day at 350 bhp no worries at all
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Originally Posted by chaffe
You all know my opinion! a v6 24v will give 300+ bhp and 400lbft of torque, with minimal lag and good reliability much cheaper then a yb, yes its heavier, but it is much more cost effective between the 3-400 bhp band, and realy who runs this much power in a yb on a DAILY basis? the v6 can be used every day at 350 bhp no worries at all
nail on the head there mate
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lol, forgot to say it needs a turbo! both yb and v6 need the boost imo
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whats the best gearbox for it? he cant decide whether to get a performance kit that will make the type 9 stronger but prob not much of an improvement and with lower ratios
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an mt-75 if he can find it
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an adaptor-plate from topboss for the t5 gearbox which i think would be better as youd be able to get it turbo'd and converted all at once.

hes heard that the adaptor plates are crap....
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Originally Posted by PileOfRust
whats the best gearbox for it? he cant decide whether to get a performance kit that will make the type 9 stronger but prob not much of an improvement and with lower ratios
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an mt-75 if he can find it
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an adaptor-plate from topboss for the t5 gearbox which i think would be better as youd be able to get it turbo'd and converted all at once.

hes heard that the adaptor plates are crap....
im running a hybrid mt75, look at my project thread as there is pictures of the gearbox build on there
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Originally Posted by PileOfRust
whats the best gearbox for it? he cant decide whether to get a performance kit that will make the type 9 stronger but prob not much of an improvement and with lower ratios
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an mt-75 if he can find it
OR
an adaptor-plate from topboss for the t5 gearbox which i think would be better as youd be able to get it turbo'd and converted all at once.

hes heard that the adaptor plates are crap....
hybrid mt75s look to be the best
Old 25-10-2010 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tjRS500
hybrid mt75s look to be the best
it is the most factory option, as ford made the box in some countrys for the v6, adaptor plates are a bit naff
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what cars can you get them out of?
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Originally Posted by PileOfRust
what cars can you get them out of?
not sure, was never an option in GB, i made mine from a 4x4 v6 box and a 2wd dohc box
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Originally Posted by chaffe
not sure, was never an option in GB, i made mine from a 4x4 v6 box and a 2wd dohc box
if it was me id use a mt75 v6 4x4 box and a 2.3 mt75 form a scorpio as the ratios are shorter and u can keep the hydraulic clutch.
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Originally Posted by tjRS500
if it was me id use a mt75 v6 4x4 box and a 2.3 mt75 form a scorpio as the ratios are shorter and u can keep the hydraulic clutch.
i chose the v6 ratios as i needed taller ratios for the turbo v6 (high torque) got the rev limmiter set at a safe 6k. As for the clutch, im 6ft 2, and 14 1/2stone i can manage the cable clutch lol
Old 25-10-2010 | 08:30 PM
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pretty sure the capri has a cable clutch anyway
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Originally Posted by chaffe
i chose the v6 ratios as i needed taller ratios for the turbo v6 (high torque) got the rev limmiter set at a safe 6k. As for the clutch, im 6ft 2, and 14 1/2stone i can manage the cable clutch lol

seen that in your thread definately a good idea.

im using a rebuilt mt75 v6 just as im staying 4wd, should do the job

no pas, then we'll judge ya lol

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Originally Posted by tjRS500
seen that in your thread definately a good idea.

im using a rebuilt mt75 v6 just as im staying 4wd, should do the job

no pas, then we'll judge ya lol
ihave no pas either mate
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got a mk1 fiesta myself... hasnt got PAS
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Originally Posted by PileOfRust
got a mk1 fiesta myself... hasnt got PAS
hasnt got a v6 either lol heavy engine mate
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Originally Posted by chaffe
ihave no pas either mate

il make sure not to come to aberdeen anyway lol
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Originally Posted by chaffe
hasnt got a v6 either lol heavy engine mate
has a 950 instead
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Originally Posted by PileOfRust
has a 950 instead
could steer that with one finger lol
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YB.s can be very reliable if looked after properly. You can get more bhp out of a YB too.
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Originally Posted by Glenny Boy
YB.s can be very reliable if looked after properly. You can get more bhp out of a YB too.
a yb is about 1500 quid against a 300 quid v6, plus if you put forged pistons in a v6 you will get more bhp than a yb, its 50 percentbigger, with 50 percent more cylinders, why do drag cars use v8s and not 2 litre four pots? they are not restricted by bttc rules, neither am i, so i will use the biggest engine i can find, and turbo that. YBs are fine, done get me wrong, just i think they are a bit dear for what they are.
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Originally Posted by chaffe
could steer that with one finger lol
never tried but probably can haha



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