RWD cars & wet roads!
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RWD cars & wet roads!
So, i'm new to rwd drive cars, and have a bmw 525 e34 manual with an open diff. And tbh it scares the fuck out of me as it just spins up and starts to go sideways at the drop of a hat in the wet. Now i know the answer is just keep off the accelerator while cornering but relisiticly are rwd cars meant to be this scary or is it just i'm not used to it? (i've only had the car six months)
Is tyre choice a factor? atm it has budgets, but i don't want to spend nearly £200 a corner on some contis (245/40/18) only to find it's still twitchy in the rain.
I can't begin to imagine what a m3 or m5 would be like.
anyone got any views? i know this is a very random post but i see nearly everyone on here raves about rwd cars and i just can't seem to comprehend why! - not in this wet country anyway!
Is tyre choice a factor? atm it has budgets, but i don't want to spend nearly £200 a corner on some contis (245/40/18) only to find it's still twitchy in the rain.
I can't begin to imagine what a m3 or m5 would be like.
anyone got any views? i know this is a very random post but i see nearly everyone on here raves about rwd cars and i just can't seem to comprehend why! - not in this wet country anyway!
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Tyres won't help but in any rear wheel drive you have to take it easy in the wet. My M3 has DSC and an LSD and even with the DSC switched on it'll go sideways in the wet when you aren't expecting it! It's good fun once you are used to it though
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took me well over a year to get used to my sierra with an open diff all i say is drive with care in the rain coz if you dont it will bite ya in the ass and youll be hitting the cerb have some fun aswell when knowone is around, learn the way the car steps out then when it does go sideways you dont just panic and lose it you have a little bit of a headstart on what its going to do but imo rwd in the rain sucks but can be very fun
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shit tyres dont help tbh
but wen u think bout it everybody that started to drive a RWD car for the first tym neva kept it in a straight line for the first few months but once u get used to it mate ul love it ave had RWD cars since a past ma test nd am now 21 nd tbh a dont c wot ppl c in FWD cars.
ave got, saph 2WD cos, cos rep saph 1.8 2WD, bmw 330tds se m-tech sport RWD, mk1 sierra 1.6l, mk1 sierra xr4i RWD, nd are all great fun in the wet or in the dry after a got the hange of drivin them,
but wen u think bout it everybody that started to drive a RWD car for the first tym neva kept it in a straight line for the first few months but once u get used to it mate ul love it ave had RWD cars since a past ma test nd am now 21 nd tbh a dont c wot ppl c in FWD cars.
ave got, saph 2WD cos, cos rep saph 1.8 2WD, bmw 330tds se m-tech sport RWD, mk1 sierra 1.6l, mk1 sierra xr4i RWD, nd are all great fun in the wet or in the dry after a got the hange of drivin them,
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You obviously drive like a cock. Also theres only 4 things keeping you in contact with the road. It doesnt take a genius to work out why contis etc are dearer. You get what you pay for.
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firstly ditch the cheap ass tyres. they are your ONLY contact with the road and make a HUGE difference to a cars handling...FACT! oh dont go and put pirrelli p6000 on, they are wank and have been nick named pirrelli ditch finders. get some hancook v12 or s1, very good tyres.
secondly, go lighter with the throttle. cars were first built rwd, the original mini was the first to be fwd. it just takes a bit of time to get used to driving rwd cars. gentle and smoothness is key to driving safely regardless of the car.
secondly, go lighter with the throttle. cars were first built rwd, the original mini was the first to be fwd. it just takes a bit of time to get used to driving rwd cars. gentle and smoothness is key to driving safely regardless of the car.
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id say get some wider wheels with wider tyres and as with any rear wheel drive car drive it slower in the wet, mines bit me in the ass 2ce in the wet, wider tyres definately help i dont care what anyone says, my shity old wheels and tyres would spin out on a dry road let alone a wet one, and now with the new wider tyres it sticks pretty good and generally the front goes before the back in the wet and all im using is cheapo nankang tires, makes alot of difference
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Right, yeah ok i do sometimes drive like a cock, but having always driven fwd/awd it's prehaps given me a bit of misguided confidence. Now in a rwd car everything seems completly different and i'm looking at everything ahead in so much more detail, like ooo drain covers ahead, better not plant my foot down, diesel on the roundabout, better be more carful.
If i drive everywhere at 2krpm feathering the throttle it drives like a dream. no problems at all. but being a petrol head like most of us here enjoy hammering the fuck out of a car when road conditions allow it just doesn't give the same buzz as driving a scooby for example as the traction isn't there in the wet.
Which really it's the traction thats a problem, and while i know tyres are all thats keeping me on the road and the contis are better tyres, i can't help but wonder are all rwd cars this twitchy in the wet? - this is my first rwd car remember.
If i drive everywhere at 2krpm feathering the throttle it drives like a dream. no problems at all. but being a petrol head like most of us here enjoy hammering the fuck out of a car when road conditions allow it just doesn't give the same buzz as driving a scooby for example as the traction isn't there in the wet.
Which really it's the traction thats a problem, and while i know tyres are all thats keeping me on the road and the contis are better tyres, i can't help but wonder are all rwd cars this twitchy in the wet? - this is my first rwd car remember.
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Have you had the geometry/allignment checked? It sounds like there might be something that needs adjusting if it is as twitchy as you make it out to be, even on cheap tyres!
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wider tyres (assuming they fit haha) only become a problem in very heavy rain and when hitting puddles as they will have a greater tendancy to aquaplane as theres more surface area for the water to act on and therefore more overall force to lift the car off the tarmac.
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Check out my mate steve in the wet at east brent roundabout... loses it a couple times though, not like him but check it out lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSxlwapsDEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSxlwapsDEQ
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wider tyres (assuming they fit haha) only become a problem in very heavy rain and when hitting puddles as they will have a greater tendancy to aquaplane as theres more surface area for the water to act on and therefore more overall force to lift the car off the tarmac.
i see where your coming from but wider tyres have always gave me more grip in the wet, skiny tyres = wheel spin on pull off, with wider ones i dont get that atall and it grips better round corners
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i was agreeing with you mate. wider tyres give more grip even in the wet until you ge an huge down poor and start strying to drive through puddles. also, worn tyres dont help as they cant displace as much water so when you get bellow 3mm of tread you need to start thinking about changing them.
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Something i'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is this...
your driving a manual.. try using lower revs when entering corners / roundabouts.. drive round them in 5'th...doubt it'd spin up then
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Been looking at tyres on mytyres, not as expensive as i had been told, goodyear f1 for £120, might be worth a try.
oh, and i hadn't really considered the tracking, will deffo look into that, cheers!
Last edited by James; 22-09-2010 at 09:27 PM.