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Old 22-09-2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
Unless she is driving it in reverse, then ALL Rover MGs are FWD, not RWD.

That might explain why she has not had any problems.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MG ZT 260 was a RWD 4.6 V8............................................
Old 22-09-2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
Unless she is driving it in reverse, then ALL Rover MGs are FWD, not RWD.

That might explain why she has not had any problems.
No rover did build a RWD 75 with mustang engine and box
Old 22-09-2010, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
Unless she is driving it in reverse, then ALL Rover MGs are FWD, not RWD.

That might explain why she has not had any problems.
err wrong! the mg zt-t is v8 and rear wheel drive mate!
Old 22-09-2010, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
Unless she is driving it in reverse, then ALL Rover MGs are FWD, not RWD.

That might explain why she has not had any problems.
Wrong... as well as the V8 MG ZT being RWD there was also the MG TF sportscar which was RWD.


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Old 22-09-2010, 10:49 PM
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Get your rear bushes checked mush,my e36 wandered about at first and these cured it.never had any obvious issues with that in the wet unless is was being silly.

Don't 525's come with LSD? I know my 2.8 has one and deffo the e36 325i does too!!
Old 22-09-2010, 10:55 PM
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A lot of it is down to tyres, IMO.

I had cheap old ditchfinders on a C-Class merc and in the wet it went sideways everywhere... Good fun actually.

Now that I've put on Michelins it almost feels like it's FWD.
Old 22-09-2010, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by vaughant
Don't 525's come with LSD? I know my 2.8 has one and deffo the e36 325i does too!!
If its a genuine Sport model then it should have an LSD fitted as standard IIRC.


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Old 22-09-2010, 11:09 PM
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Some bollocks on this thread , the only two sensible suggestions so far are check the geometry and be lighter on the throttle.

Rear wheel drive, especially with an open diff isn't bad in the wet. Serious suggestion, but if it's your first rear drive car, go on a driving course to teach you how to drive them! A few good courses in the back of Evo mag etc..
Old 22-09-2010, 11:20 PM
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i'd actually kill for mine to behave like that, i can just get it sideward's in the rain if i proper plant my foot.
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Some bollocks on this thread , the only two sensible suggestions so far are check the geometry and be lighter on the throttle.

Rear wheel drive, especially with an open diff isn't bad in the wet. Serious suggestion, but if it's your first rear drive car, go on a driving course to teach you how to drive them! A few good courses in the back of Evo mag etc..

are you saying the use of good quality tyres is a load of bollocks?

good idea on the driving course, skid pan training is a very good idea!!

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Old 23-09-2010, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TIFF
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MG ZT 260 was a RWD 4.6 V8............................................
My apologies, as I understood it, they were all FWD, my mistake.
Old 23-09-2010, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by James
There was a rwd one with a 4.6 mustang sourced v8 engine.

Been looking at tyres on mytyres, not as expensive as i had been told, goodyear f1 for Ł120, might be worth a try.

oh, and i hadn't really considered the tracking, will deffo look into that, cheers!
try looking at kuhmo ecsta sport ku31's
for the money they are the best you can get imho, i just put 4 on the saff, 215/40/r17 Ł56 a corner from camskill.com.
have a look round for reviews, i was reading on an m3 forum and they loved em.
Old 23-09-2010, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by vaughant
Get your rear bushes checked mush,my e36 wandered about at first and these cured it.never had any obvious issues with that in the wet unless is was being silly.

Don't 525's come with LSD? I know my 2.8 has one and deffo the e36 325i does too!!

Wrong!

unless the 325i is a sport it wont have an lsd mate and pretty much all 328s had an lsd.
Old 23-09-2010, 09:52 AM
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Its driver error. Simple as that. You don't exactly see cars spinning everywhere normally.
Old 23-09-2010, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by R4N S S
Wrong!

unless the 325i is a sport it wont have an lsd mate and pretty much all 328s had an lsd.
Okey dokey,didnt know that.Should be loads of 328`s about scrapped now if their anything like mine,overheating all the fucking time
Old 23-09-2010, 10:14 AM
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overheating could be a number of symptons - usually cheap to fix if caught early enough - viscous fan coupling, waterpump impeller blades, etc.

worse still head gasket
Old 23-09-2010, 10:15 AM
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Todays the first day its rained since I bought my open diff'd E34 TDS Tourer, rather looking forward to it to be honest.

Going to go out later and look for an empty roundabout to practice on, never owned a RWD before so good opportunity to learn to go sideways on cheapo rubber.
Old 23-09-2010, 10:15 AM
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only early 328 sports had lsd the late ones were had tc
Old 23-09-2010, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
Unless she is driving it in reverse, then ALL Rover MGs are FWD, not RWD.
Epic fail


Nearly as bad as the idiot above who thinks the mini was the first ever FWD car
Old 23-09-2010, 10:18 AM
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on my mates e30 325i with open diff it wont go side ways just lights a wheel up .But goes better now with his 325i sport lsd diff
Old 23-09-2010, 10:22 AM
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You think its bad now, wait until it snows! I once drove from Maidenhead to Silverstone sideways....and that isn't an exaggeration either!
Old 23-09-2010, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by phil_focus
are you saying the use of good quality tyres is a load of bollocks?

good idea on the driving course, skid pan training is a very good idea!!
Not at all, but even cheapo ditchfinders shouldn't make the car THAT bad...
Old 23-09-2010, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Not at all, but even cheapo ditchfinders shouldn't make the car THAT bad...
Agreed, if its as bad as its decribed it must have the tracking out or something like that.

Or its been lowered right down and picked up shit loads of camber.

GOT to be something other than just tyres IMHO
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Originally Posted by Chip
Agreed, if its as bad as its decribed it must have the tracking out or something like that.

Or its been lowered right down and picked up shit loads of camber.

GOT to be something other than just tyres IMHO
Have you ever driven an excessivly lowered 2wd Cossie in the wet? Rock hard ride and mere mm of tyre contact due to the hideous camber/toe makes it interesting
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Wil - i have and its err interesting
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Originally Posted by Chip
Epic fail


Nearly as bad as the idiot above who thinks the mini was the first ever FWD car
Shut it Chippy
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Have you ever driven an excessivly lowered 2wd Cossie in the wet? Rock hard ride and mere mm of tyre contact due to the hideous camber/toe makes it interesting
Mine isnt even lowered very much and yet when its wet it just wants to go sideways in 3rd gear everytime you boot it, even in a straight line!
Thats with tyres with about 4mm of tread so not exactly brand new but not totally work out either.

Wet weather friendly they aint!
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Originally Posted by TIFF
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MG ZT 260 was a RWD 4.6 V8............................................
Originally Posted by caprizetec170
No rover did build a RWD 75 with mustang engine and box
Originally Posted by botters
err wrong! the mg zt-t is v8 and rear wheel drive mate!
Originally Posted by RS Grant
Wrong... as well as the V8 MG ZT being RWD there was also the MG TF sportscar which was RWD.


Cheers,
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Originally Posted by Chip
Epic fail


Nearly as bad as the idiot above who thinks the mini was the first ever FWD car
Originally Posted by James
There was a rwd one with a 4.6 mustang sourced v8 engine.

Been looking at tyres on mytyres, not as expensive as i had been told, goodyear f1 for Ł120, might be worth a try.

oh, and i hadn't really considered the tracking, will deffo look into that, cheers!
Yeah, I think he gets the message lads.

Benni.
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My L200 truck is RWD when not in 4x4 and with it's big nobbley mud tyres on is either dangerous or hillarious in the wet - depending on which way you look at it!
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Originally Posted by R4N S S
Wrong!

unless the 325i is a sport it wont have an lsd mate and pretty much all 328s had an lsd.

Maybe.........Unless it was pre 1996 as after 1996 BMW opted for the ASC instead of a propper diff
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gotcha
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Originally Posted by R4N S S
overheating could be a number of symptons - usually cheap to fix if caught early enough - viscous fan coupling, waterpump impeller blades, etc.

worse still head gasket
or even worse still, just to cheer you up a bit more, year depending, it could have the nikosil block.
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Originally Posted by Chip
Epic fail


Nearly as bad as the idiot above who thinks the mini was the first ever FWD car

ok my bad, typed the wrong thing

was trying to say that before fwd became common place most cars were rwd and they handled far worse back then compared to modern stuff.
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Originally Posted by Mk1-stu
or even worse still, just to cheer you up a bit more, year depending, it could have the nikosil block.
oh yeah - how could i forget that chestnut
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Originally Posted by phil_focus
firstly ditch the cheap ass tyres. they are your ONLY contact with the road and make a HUGE difference to a cars handling...FACT! oh dont go and put pirrelli p6000 on, they are wank and have been nick named pirrelli ditch finders. get some hancook v12 or s1, very good tyres.

secondly, go lighter with the throttle. cars were first built rwd, the original mini was the first to be fwd. it just takes a bit of time to get used to driving rwd cars. gentle and smoothness is key to driving safely regardless of the car.
It was the citrion traction avant that was first front wheel drive car..

Took me a few weeks to learn how to take a roundabout at more than 20mph..and that was in an auto seirra
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Originally Posted by chris m1
It was the citrion traction avant that was first front wheel drive car..

Took me a few weeks to learn how to take a roundabout at more than 20mph..and that was in an auto seirra

yeah, i googled it after chips post (completely flaming me ) and saw citroen (thats if i can trust the google source) and thought fuck IDIOT!!! hence my post above

still no ones perfect, we aint all correct all the time.
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Indeed as the saying goes to error is only human..

Anyhoo back to topic...
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Gave the car a good going over today, all the tyres are wearing big time on the inner edge, so suspect tracking is out. And axle bushes are absuloutly fucked big time!

So hopefully once i've had the bushes done, four half decent tyres - they were 235/40/18 btw - and done the tracking it'll be something more like it.

& i'll deffo look into the driving course, thanks for the constructive suggestions chaps!
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i think the problem is that you want to go sideways but when it breaks out you shite it,don't worry we have all been there.

its not the way i learned but i would suggest a drift day somewhere local to you,that should help you get rid of the fear in a safe inviroment.

we were doing things like this on the hardly used roundabouts in ind estates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuW8gU176lw


now i'm no expert but i'm quite happy to be at 80mph+ sideways in 3rd now.
(never on the road tho,the roads are for going to tesco on).

alittle vid from the last crail day..
http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...t=IMG_0100.mp4

top of third gear corner..pic



rwd is and has always been the way to really learn to drive imo so stick with it!
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if the rear end is adjustable as well mate get it four wheel aligned.


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