uruk hai

Just to support whats already been said, if the other dog had been under the owners control it would have never happened. I know of several cases where the court has issued a destruction order because the owner wouldnt keep the dog on a leed.

Just to add that Jack Russels as a bread arent nasty or viscious, they are like any other pet, exactly what the owner makes them !

RUSSELLB1904

Simple your dog was on the lead, his was not so not your fault.

I get the same problem all the time. I have 5 staffies, mam, dad and three sons and they never come off the lead as basically there are too many people who can't control there dogs and i always have problems with dogs off the lead coming up to mine when i'm walking them.

Had an incident the other day with a dog of the lead and mine basically doubled up against the other dog which ran off in the end but then the owner came over and said control my dogs..... WTF just told him to foook off and get a grip of his own dog....

uruk hai

I wouldnt hesitate to report a dog that was out of control but sadly when these matters get into court its almost always the dog that suffers and the owner's leave in tears and full of regret, fooking idiots.

RigPig

If the other dog was not under control, then that dog owner is in the wrong, tell him to do one.

Darylc.

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very nice



Nice dog though

daveybgtt

We used to have a jack russel that was a right menace, always going for bigger dogs, so yeah, tell em to fuck off. Also, tell them to invest in pet insurance.

Bullett

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same here.my two dont come off their leads.huskies are a difficult breed to control full stop,too much wolf in them.the want to roam and hunt is very strong in them. ive had dog attack both of ours and the little girl is very timid,now she is scared when people or dogs approach(until she knows them) but avalanche is overprotective of her from the off.some dogs he is fine with but any chesty dogs he will want to ruck with if they start to bark or growl(he will stare only until they go toward or bark or growl)
i hate it when dogs come running up as it is very difficult to control 2 adult huskies but i do.if the other dog gets bitten i dont see it as mine or my dogs fault.as mine are attached to me

Chip

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Their dog should have been on a lead, if its going to go around acting agressive off the lead then its likely to get hurt, not your fault IMHO

Markb_s1

I would say it's the other owner's fault myself, but if I'm totally honest, if I had a fairly powerful dog like a staffy I wouldnt' be using one of those extendable leads as I just don't think they give the owner the same degree of control as a "proper" one does.

neil1980

All dogs should be on a lead buddy so fook him tell him wot id say fook off before the dog attacks you ya sausage

Kevin_Mc

have to agree with the majority, you weren't in the wrong.

i've had to volley a dog when it was off the lead and came over to attack my girlfriend's dog (which i was walking on a lead)

Chip

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I hadnt noticed he said it was a 6 metre long extendable lead, TBH thats not really much better than being off the lead.

So pretty much a case of both owners similarly at fault in that sense.

Still certainly not the sole fault of the OP though that an off the lead dog came and attacked his dog and then came off worse when his dog defended itself.

Isaac.Hunt

Jack Russels can often be very much like some short men, will attack as a first port of call with a bigger one. I've had them myself and although a lovely natured breed to people, they are very instinctive and not too bright (compared to collies, for example). I would never trust a jack russel to run loose off my own property as they just do not have the same obedience that some breeds do. They totally 'black out' when in attack mode.

The fact it was injured by an attack is the fault of any owner who did not have full control of their dog.

If your dog was on an extendable lead so far from you that it was able to fight with another dog then that is a problem for you. If it was not and was close to you under your full control, then it was not your fault.

Keep your dog on a lead and close to you, muzzle it if needs be for public walking. It may not be 'fair' but with a breed like that they will always 'seem' the agressive one.

baz4077

i have a staff great breed people make them nastey mine has been attacked by a jr and 3 other dogs and never retaliated tell the jr owner to f off as he could not controll his dog and u cant tar every staff with the same brush mines a right tart and he is beast best part of 4 stone a little over weight

Bullett

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mine are always on extendables and are far more powerful than a staff but.if i see other dogs i rein them in.if this jack russell has come up to them off lead it makes no difference if he had the chance to get it back or not. russell owners fault imo.

TIFF

As said....Your dog on the lead and in FULL control by yourself...

Jack Russell....off the lead and in NO CONTROL from the owner...

Tell them to fuck off.....

gazdon

i own a staffy and keep him on a lead the only time he is off is when its open space and i can see whats around but what really pisses me off and fucking gets to me is pepole who keep there dogs off the lead near me with my jake.

Stu @ M Developments

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Been here, done this guys, my staffy was attacked by a pack of three dogs off the lead AFTER I shouted a warning to the two female owners that they should keep their dogs away as mine isn't friendly.

They smiled at me and giggled to each other, still don't know what they said, but something derogatory about staffies or their owners no doubt, anyway, they all came yapping round us and nipping at mine when and my dog grabbed one and proceeded to try and remove its head with vicious shaking... the other two dogs were snapping and barking etc but keeping their distance... what does owner do?


Kicks my dog hard!! So I shoved her to the ground and made it clear if she touches my dog again she would really regret it for some time. Her and her fat lesbian pal proceeded to scream at me and the dog, calling me a woman beater etc and slagging the dog off, saying its vicious and will be put down etc...

I finally prised the little asshole from my Dogs jaws and she whimpered off back to the dykes... then the biggest surprise of all came...

She pulled her badge on me. She was a copper!
I gave my name and address and also grabbed a local dog walker I see every day and procured her as my witness to prove mine was on a lead and a warning given.

Heard nothing more about it... not even the assault charge she threatened me with.
Must admit, that was shit luck! LOL

Gra

I have to say in all defense, i would do the same as both parents who showed concern, not because your dog is a threat but because some dogs are, and i base that on the following,
a year or so ago, i was getting ready for footie training ( i got there early to warm up etc) and was sitting down lacing my boots when a staffy came up to me growling, butting and being really agressive, i shouted to the female owner (about 30yrs old or so i think) about 60 feet away to control her dog and she blamed me for making her dog agressive, "because i was sitting down bent over" is basically word for word what she said. which i found an amazing response lol

Another time on dunstable downs a dog owner had no control over his german shepherd which ran straight towards my daughter who was playing, my daughter was 5-6 at the time (shes now 8) and these dogs are not small. it was running towards her barking,
whether it was playing or not, the owner (aged about 50 or so)was just laughing, she paniced and ran, I had to basically stop the dog, it doesnt sound that bad she was proper scared, and it has affected her, she is now so terrified of dogs she still cannot bear to be near then even walking on the steet near a dog, she wouldnt even play on the beach on holiday in april this year in case there was a dog on there.

So if i see a dog such as a staffy etc, I am extra careful, sorry if that causes offence but its a small minority of owners who let down the majority really,

Spiky

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and this is why i wont have my children near them EVER

and my view on them is that staff's bull dogs alike should all be put down.

one attacked my pointer years ago at a local farm show, both dogs were on short leads.

i HATE the bread with a passion

and stu, if you dog isn't friendly why do you allow it to be with your young daughter , i couldnt live with my self if something happed

Stu @ M Developments

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Because she is only unfriendly with DOGS mate, not humans.
She was tied up as a pup with her twin brother on a short rope in a derelict house and left to die there. As starvation set in they fought each other and the RSPCA suggest her brother started to eat pieces of her, she has a fear of most dogs close to her.

She loves kids and all humans.

Steve, I do undersatand your fears mate, but a human once attacked me, should I therefore hate all humans with a passion? Your thinking is flawed.

Spiky

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sad story

nick-21

Staff's are very loyal loving dogs, 9 times out of 10 one that shows aggression towards people in general is through the owners treatment of the dog, whether they have taught it to act like that or been aggressive themselves towards the dog.

I know someone who drives a 205 that is a twat, dosn't mean i think your a twat

Staffs get a bad name because neds think they are cool and hard, its not the dogs fault

mark

tell him to fuck off i hate them silly fucking dogs
one went for my staff a few months ago i got in the way and my dog left a nice bite mark on my arm next time i wont be so silly had to have 2 weeks off work and it fooking hurt lol
my dog was on her lead and the jrt was not

and to add staffs are one of the best dogs to have around kids

Spiky

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i agree, it's not the dog fault, but i have had first time exeprience of them and from that i REALLY hate them

again it's only MY view

and if you think i'm a twat, i accept that it's your view (i know what you wrote )

but, if i see one walking near, i really feel uncomforatable and when walking with my boy i protect him, and always between me and the dog, this really is how much i hate them and i'm ALWAYS on guard against such dogs as i know how dangerous they "can" be, i'm alwayas ready to kick it in the balls or choke it.

i dont see why i have to be like this, but i am, and i'm not like it with any any type of breed.

nick-21

What i think would be better is if we just shot certain people with staff's (i get to decide )

If you are that wary of the breed then obviously your experience is what made you that way so nothing i will say will change that. Its just a shame though as they are brilliant dogs.

Sad thing is nearly all the time an aggressive dog is caused by its owner, jacks by nature like to have a scrap with something bigger and obviously the OP is dealing with someone who believes cause his little dog got bit by a big aggressive ( ) staff he should stump up, if it was myself i would be pissed off for letting my dog get biten as you should know the character of your dog and the character of the breed in general and know that they like a scrap with something bigger and that the majority of the time they will end up coming back with their tail between thier legs, hopefully still attached!

OP, tell the guy to swivel and get his dog under control, if he lets it go off and start at other dogs some will bite back yours did and rightly so as it was only protecting itself

Bullett

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steve,you cant blame every staffy mate.yes there are twats that bring them up rong but nearly all i encounter are very friendly. but i do know what you mean.i dont judge any dog when im on my own as im not scared(and ive been bitten by one before) but when im with my dogs i do judge,due to my huskies being started on by various breeds and not wanting them injured or the other dog. i love animals and cant bare to see them injured in any way like that.
im very careful of what mine get near as some owners dont give a shit.

andrewaspinall

Just tell them get stuffed i have a american bulldog i keep it on the lead when on a walk unless i no no other dogs around if their dog is off lead and your dog fucks it up its just hard luck i think all bull breeds get a bad rep and its just wrong

Cossie17737

I have had this so many times, I always keep my staffy on a lead and people think that it is ok to let their dogs come running up and nipping at her while they are not even in sight.

On one occasion two small dogs off leads came running at her she was so scared she jumped up into my arms like a baby shaking, the owners refused to put them on leads and did nothing other than shout abuse at me and even as I was trying to walk away they were jumping up at me trying to bite her, all of this was in front of my son who was terrified.

In my opinion if your dog is on a lead and the other dog is not restrained then that is not your fault. I know what I would tell them to do with the Vets bill!

matts1

dogs should be kept on a lead when in public full stop. If you let your dog go off and attack another dog then it deserves to get bitten in two.

Regards dangerous dogs, most are created by stupid ignorant owners. I know a few people with staffies and rotties and they are the softest dogs you could wish for, I know others that have spaniels and jr's and they are nasty little shits.

Bullett

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exactly!!!

Versus_Creations

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Some peoples views are crazy. Cant belive you dont have more common sense.

Chip

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Staffs are quite often shite with other dogs TBH (although not all), but they are almost always great with kids, it takes a REALLY shit owner to turn the natural amazing nature with kids to be a bad one, one of their nicknames is "the nanny dog" and although I wouldnt ever trust ANY dog alone with a young child, i'd certainly have no problem with a young child and a staff together with adult supervision.

Chip

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Careful you dont turn your boy into a dog hater by going over the top when he's a little older (at this current age I think any contact with unknown dogs would be a bad idea anyway!)
By all means be wary of dogs in general but if you are being less vigilent with other breeds than with one of the best breeds to be around kids then you might want to revise your policy.
MOST dogs are more unpredictable around kids than a well brought up staff, other than a labrador you will struggle to find a more kid suitable dog!

SteveB

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I've had my Staff since he was 5 weeks old and he's grown up with my 2 daughters..... He is very large compared to most other Satffs around but is as gentle now as he was when he was a puppy. I always walk him on a lead because of other peoples bullshit views on the breed.


Steve

shep

hi

just to update the thread i went round the guys house with the vet bill and told him were to shuve it ... following that i had a visit from the police as the guy had rang them saying my staff was a pitt bull anyway the police came in and assesed my dog and said theres no cause for concern my staff ran straight up to them and wanted some fuss and rolled on his back the police then left saying obviously the jr thought it was bigger than it was and lost the fight and that it wasnt my fault and that they would close the file and tell the jr owner to keep his/her dog on the lead from now on

STAFFY OWNER

Don't talk rubbish, what logic/facts have you used to come to the conclusion that the Staffy is nasty? It was merely defending itself as i'm sure most people would if they were attacked but that doesn't automatically make them nasty people.
And this months prize for knob jockey of the week goes to.....
Spot on .
The guy has got no problem at all as his dog was properly under control. A well reared/handled SBT is a breed to be proud of and certainly not a problem.
Complete bollocks. If a harness is "pushing" the dogs chest up it has not been fitted correctly. Whilst on the subject, if anyone has a SBT that pulls when walking on a lead & collar try using a harness for 3 or 4 weeks, often it transforms them and you can usually go back to a collar once the dog has learnt to walk in a more acceptable manner. Don't use one of the black leather harnesses though as they are usually the number 1 fashion accessory of chav Staffs, use one of the coloured foam ones.
Had a similar incident a few years ago with my dad's elderly SBT. Was walking down a local lane with Jake on his lead when a woman with 3 black labradors came towards us, as we passed each other one of her dogs suddenly lunged across and locked onto Jakes nose and didn't let go. As soon as it did it i thought if he shakes his head to shake the lab off it is gonna shred his nose so i gave the dog a good right hand on the side of its head just behind its eye followed by a good kick to its arse which fortunately made it let go. The cheeky bitch then told me i should keep my dog under control. Needless to say she got a mouthful of "constructive" advice back.
Agreed, can't stand those leads in streets near to roads for any breed of dog.
But it doesn't say that the lead was extended.
A lot over weight - needs to loose about a stone in weight.
Classic cases of the owners letting the dogs down but it's the dogs reputation that suffers not the owners.
Referring back to my black labrador incident further up does that mean i should hate all black labradors (and English Setters as one attacked my dog & Weimaraners as 1 attacked my dog). My dog has far more problems from other dogs than he causes to others.
Mate whilst you are on your guard against Staffs you are more likely to be bit by a totally different breed, also you are instilling your nervous energy into you son and dogs can sense this.
Bang on Chip - i'm getting a little concerned, i find that more and more i am starting to agree with you .
Glad it all worked out ok mate but i think you were always in the clear anyway as your dog was under control, your dog had no alternative other than to defend itself .

Olliexr4x4

I have 2 dogs, a husky and a little mogrel who is half Jack Russel. The Husky is always on the lead, people always look scared of him, but he is soft as feck, the mogrel however is a right fiester little fecker, but people always like her. If I walk the husky people either cross over or put their dog on a lead, if I walk the mongrel people don't bother, but I always put her on the lead when people come the other way, they always complain when their dog, who isn't on a lead walks over and is then sent with its tail between its legs.

Little man syndrome springs to mind.

Spiky

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wont happen,

my mum has a 3 and he loves them, and i dont do anything

my sister has one, and he plays with that

my bro has 2 and he plays with them, if they around, though they are much bigger than him..lol

my inlaws have a sheep dog and he is there all the time as they child mind him for us, and him and dog get on great

it's only staffs/pitballs i really have an issue with.

Spiky

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you cant change how i feel, i was about 14 when the incident happened right in front of me, i will never change my view on the dogs EVER.

i am a dog/cat/animal lover, and absolutely hate to see any animal hurt.

i just stay clear of the ones i dont like

simples