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13-07-2010, 10:49 AM
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Still injectors. Does it go into limp if you're a bit heavy footed, or at random? Injector/pump issues tend to go into limp if you accelerate firmly. Or does it still do it if you're really gentle with it? Worst case scenario is that it 'could' be the pump.
Could be time to trade it in, or punt it through an auction!
Not on a 2002 TDCi, they have 'mechanical' actuators, and don't log any fault codes.
Could be time to trade it in, or punt it through an auction!
Not on a 2002 TDCi, they have 'mechanical' actuators, and don't log any fault codes.
- best place to trade herr in 
13-07-2010, 11:02 AM
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Yup, definitely fueling related. The problem is that you could find yourself chasing faults and it gets very expensive, very quickly. A new pump and injectors would probably resolve it, but I'd doubt you'd find a garage who would guarantee it as a total fix, and you could be in to the tune of Ł1500.
Two guys at work have the same problem. One sold the car back on, the other guy has just learnt to drive it in such a manner that it doesn't do it!
Two guys at work have the same problem. One sold the car back on, the other guy has just learnt to drive it in such a manner that it doesn't do it!
13-07-2010, 03:14 PM
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oh dear. got my mate to have a look at the turbo as I told him actuator might be faulty. well he said he started to undo a nut and it was real tight, and then - snap. he wants to drill it with reverse drill bits. is this right???? more so will it work?
more so will it work?
13-07-2010, 03:57 PM
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four bolts holding the turbo to the downpipe - its that he says. he said the actuator is free and not moving and was checking to see if any shit in turbo
13-07-2010, 05:10 PM
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what was said in reply to my post is correct its the later tdci's 04 etc that have the v common p132a actuator prob which by the way you cannot buy, you have to buy the whole turbo lol
13-07-2010, 06:18 PM
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right actuator moves freely when revving. so jumped in took for a rag up the road was like shit off a shovel , no limp mode no smoke, no loss of power. runs fine. till next time !!!! what can cause this randomness, if it was every time then fair enough. doin my swede in
13-07-2010, 06:27 PM
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Well, had my injectors rebuilt with new control valves, fitted, recoded and now it feels quite flat and loads of black smoke on accelleration!!
Back at Fords again today, the master tech wants to try a leak off test to check that the injectors definatly are working as they should.
Strange though as now, i can boot it as much as i want in 4th and 5th and it will not hit limp mode so somethings better but still not right!
Considering selling it now!
Back at Fords again today, the master tech wants to try a leak off test to check that the injectors definatly are working as they should.
Strange though as now, i can boot it as much as i want in 4th and 5th and it will not hit limp mode so somethings better but still not right!
Considering selling it now!
13-07-2010, 06:44 PM
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[QUOTE=DanW@FastFord;4985287]Had loads of aggro with injectors, even though car had had Ł1800 worth of pump and injectors just before I bought it and car's only done 78K miles. Developed v.bad diesel knock and smoking on start-up a month later. Delphi tested the injectors and said they were fine, yet swapping two cured the knock and reduced the smoke!! Cost me Ł600, and it's still not quite right now.
Plus I've got a serious boost leak and can't find it, despite stripping the car and swapping just about everything... no fault codes, and non of the usual suspects are at fault. Plus I've got a hub nut that works its way loose no matter what we do, and takes out wheel bearings which are Ł60 a pop. I'm on my third bearing, and 5th hubnut. Got an outer CV to swap in next, so fingers crossed for that.
Hi dan,please correct me if I'm talking arse but Iirc is this the mondeo from fast ford,estate that you bought back from the insurance company after a light bump?I seem to remember you changing suspension components of some type in the mag feature which maybe where your cv problems are coming from.I've had the same thing before and it ended up with me changing every component
near enough yet still had no joy.I ended up getting a full leg from the inner cv back to the strut and it totally cured my problems,surprising sometimes how a knock can affect things like a hub or even just slightly knock the shaft out of true.they'll be pence in the scrappy by now as well. Hope it helps.
Plus I've got a serious boost leak and can't find it, despite stripping the car and swapping just about everything... no fault codes, and non of the usual suspects are at fault. Plus I've got a hub nut that works its way loose no matter what we do, and takes out wheel bearings which are Ł60 a pop. I'm on my third bearing, and 5th hubnut. Got an outer CV to swap in next, so fingers crossed for that.
Hi dan,please correct me if I'm talking arse but Iirc is this the mondeo from fast ford,estate that you bought back from the insurance company after a light bump?I seem to remember you changing suspension components of some type in the mag feature which maybe where your cv problems are coming from.I've had the same thing before and it ended up with me changing every component
near enough yet still had no joy.I ended up getting a full leg from the inner cv back to the strut and it totally cured my problems,surprising sometimes how a knock can affect things like a hub or even just slightly knock the shaft out of true.they'll be pence in the scrappy by now as well. Hope it helps.
13-07-2010, 09:33 PM
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I'm 99% certain it's the drive flange. We changed the hub when swapping the dampers (as the pinch bolt was rusted solid) The problems started then so it's the hub that's at fault! Just waiting on another eBay hub to turn up - just hope this one isn't knackered too!
13-07-2010, 10:24 PM
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I'm 99% certain it's the drive flange. We changed the hub when swapping the dampers (as the pinch bolt was rusted solid) The problems started then so it's the hub that's at fault! Just waiting on another eBay hub to turn up - just hope this one isn't knackered too!
14-07-2010, 10:49 AM
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Hello mate. Sorry to hear of you problems with the Mundano. What mileage has she done if you don't mind me asking?
14-07-2010, 12:17 PM
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I bet you a naked virgin nymphomaniac Jessica Biel clone (that's what I'd like) (and also gives everyone a nice mental image to ponder 
)that it's nothing to do with your injectors or any of the other very expensive components so far mentioned.
My guess is that it will be your Go pedal. Throttle/ accelerator pedal.
It in principle is like a Scalextric Trigger. A pick up point (on the actual pedal) and then an area of contacts which is 'swept' by the pick up point, giving reference to the pedal's position. 150000 miles is a lot of sweeping back and forth, or wear, at these contacts.
I'd guess also that's why the fault, loss of power and glow plug light flashing, is so sporadic. There will be area's of the contacts which are worse than others, and when you linger over them (say pedal at 3 quarters throttle) they will give an inconclusive signal of pedal/throttle position and protect the car/limp mode will come in.
Some on here are very likely to explain it much more technically correctly, but the general gist will be the same.
I think you can get them from ford for about Ł85.
I wouldn't put a used or non gen one on.
Hope you find this helpful mate
)that it's nothing to do with your injectors or any of the other very expensive components so far mentioned.My guess is that it will be your Go pedal. Throttle/ accelerator pedal.
It in principle is like a Scalextric Trigger. A pick up point (on the actual pedal) and then an area of contacts which is 'swept' by the pick up point, giving reference to the pedal's position. 150000 miles is a lot of sweeping back and forth, or wear, at these contacts.
I'd guess also that's why the fault, loss of power and glow plug light flashing, is so sporadic. There will be area's of the contacts which are worse than others, and when you linger over them (say pedal at 3 quarters throttle) they will give an inconclusive signal of pedal/throttle position and protect the car/limp mode will come in.
Some on here are very likely to explain it much more technically correctly, but the general gist will be the same.
I think you can get them from ford for about Ł85.
I wouldn't put a used or non gen one on.
Hope you find this helpful mate
14-07-2010, 12:52 PM
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I bet you a naked virgin nymphomaniac Jessica Biel clone (that's what I'd like) (and also gives everyone a nice mental image to ponder )that it's nothing to do with your injectors or any of the other very expensive components so far mentioned.
My guess is that it will be your Go pedal. Throttle/ accelerator pedal.
It in principle is like a Scalextric Trigger. A pick up point (on the actual pedal) and then an area of contacts which is 'swept' by the pick up point, giving reference to the pedal's position. 150000 miles is a lot of sweeping back and forth, or wear, at these contacts.
I'd guess also that's why the fault, loss of power and glow plug light flashing, is so sporadic. There will be area's of the contacts which are worse than others, and when you linger over them (say pedal at 3 quarters throttle) they will give an inconclusive signal of pedal/throttle position and protect the car/limp mode will come in.
Some on here are very likely to explain it much more technically correctly, but the general gist will be the same.
I think you can get them from ford for about Ł85.
I wouldn't put a used or non gen one on.
Hope you find this helpful mate
)that it's nothing to do with your injectors or any of the other very expensive components so far mentioned.My guess is that it will be your Go pedal. Throttle/ accelerator pedal.
It in principle is like a Scalextric Trigger. A pick up point (on the actual pedal) and then an area of contacts which is 'swept' by the pick up point, giving reference to the pedal's position. 150000 miles is a lot of sweeping back and forth, or wear, at these contacts.
I'd guess also that's why the fault, loss of power and glow plug light flashing, is so sporadic. There will be area's of the contacts which are worse than others, and when you linger over them (say pedal at 3 quarters throttle) they will give an inconclusive signal of pedal/throttle position and protect the car/limp mode will come in.
Some on here are very likely to explain it much more technically correctly, but the general gist will be the same.
I think you can get them from ford for about Ł85.
I wouldn't put a used or non gen one on.
Hope you find this helpful mate
Now where do I claim my free Jessica clone?
14-07-2010, 01:35 PM
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Would you believe it!! My clone press is low on clone juice so I can only make half.. Top or bottom??
Seems strange that with new injectors, cleaned and checked injectors, leak off tests, new pumps, actuators being questioned, and all the other idea's offered, people still seem to be suffering, and paying a premium to do so.
But yes, I had same issue on slightly older car. Suggestions of coding injectors, egr faults, pumps going down etc etc, I was thinking either the egr or a cam sensor fault, something along those lines, but no. New throttle pedal from Ford and no recurrence of problem for at least 5 months now.
The car would drive fine, say on the dual carriageway and then suddenly loss of all power, not throttle response and glow plug light flashing. Got quite well practiced at dipping the clutch, turning ign off & on and restarting. This always cleared the fault, but it was pot luck whether it happened again immediately or not til the next journey and so on.
This threw me off as for this fault, ford literature indicated that the glow plug light would come on with constant illumination to indicate throttle fault.
Have faith, it's the pedal.
Seems strange that with new injectors, cleaned and checked injectors, leak off tests, new pumps, actuators being questioned, and all the other idea's offered, people still seem to be suffering, and paying a premium to do so.
But yes, I had same issue on slightly older car. Suggestions of coding injectors, egr faults, pumps going down etc etc, I was thinking either the egr or a cam sensor fault, something along those lines, but no. New throttle pedal from Ford and no recurrence of problem for at least 5 months now.
The car would drive fine, say on the dual carriageway and then suddenly loss of all power, not throttle response and glow plug light flashing. Got quite well practiced at dipping the clutch, turning ign off & on and restarting. This always cleared the fault, but it was pot luck whether it happened again immediately or not til the next journey and so on.
This threw me off as for this fault, ford literature indicated that the glow plug light would come on with constant illumination to indicate throttle fault.
Have faith, it's the pedal.
14-07-2010, 01:40 PM
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Oh and not the TPS, (throttle position sensor). I know I mentioned throttle but I didn't mean that.
It is the actual accelerator pedal assembly, it has a large (by comparison) plug to it with about 16 or so pins, and 2 10mm nuts holding the pedal housing to your bulkhead. It should be a 5 minute swap.
It is the actual accelerator pedal assembly, it has a large (by comparison) plug to it with about 16 or so pins, and 2 10mm nuts holding the pedal housing to your bulkhead. It should be a 5 minute swap.
14-07-2010, 01:47 PM
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exactly. bit hairy at first on the motorway but then it becomes kinda fun. i'll have a mooch at it cant do any harm
14-07-2010, 02:13 PM
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Here's the science bit... lol
If the pedal is the 'conductor'
And the engine and fuel system is the 'orchestra'
No matter how shiney, and well calibrated and programmed all the components and parts of your orchestra are, if your conductor isn't doing his crazy arm wavey dance in the correct way, then your orchestra will suck / Not perform correctly.
It doesn't sound very scientific, but then neither does "Here's Ł600 of my hard earned wedge. You've cleaned my injectors so my spray pattern is now the bomb, but my car does still keep going into limp mode so where have you helped me?? And yes, we could 'try new injectors and pump at Ł1500' but I don't really want you guess work emptying my wallet at that rate, thanks all the same.
I don't guarantee what I describe is the fault you have, but bare in mind, I had the same symptom, I spent less than Ł100, and the car is now 'fixed'. I just wanted to share the potential helpful advice.
19-07-2010, 10:31 AM
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Here you go buddy, this came up after we yapped about it.
https://passionford.com/forum/techni...ight-help.html
What with you saying you hadn't come across the fix before...
19-07-2010, 03:23 PM
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was trying to recode some injectors today with my snapon mt2500
i seem toi remember reading somewere to code em for cylinder no 1 you do 3 2 you do 4, 3 you do 1, 4 you do 2
is this correct? we were trying to problem solve one, cam sensor made big differnece even though no fault codes were present for it
another one i have int he workshiop showing p0251, commmon for pumps etc, changed the filter no difference, but no swarf in the fuel present
these mondeos are a reet pain int he arse
i seem toi remember reading somewere to code em for cylinder no 1 you do 3 2 you do 4, 3 you do 1, 4 you do 2
is this correct? we were trying to problem solve one, cam sensor made big differnece even though no fault codes were present for it
another one i have int he workshiop showing p0251, commmon for pumps etc, changed the filter no difference, but no swarf in the fuel present
these mondeos are a reet pain int he arse
19-07-2010, 08:59 PM
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was trying to recode some injectors today with my snapon mt2500
i seem toi remember reading somewere to code em for cylinder no 1 you do 3 2 you do 4, 3 you do 1, 4 you do 2
is this correct? we were trying to problem solve one, cam sensor made big differnece even though no fault codes were present for it
another one i have int he workshiop showing p0251, commmon for pumps etc, changed the filter no difference, but no swarf in the fuel present
these mondeos are a reet pain int he arse
i seem toi remember reading somewere to code em for cylinder no 1 you do 3 2 you do 4, 3 you do 1, 4 you do 2
is this correct? we were trying to problem solve one, cam sensor made big differnece even though no fault codes were present for it
another one i have int he workshiop showing p0251, commmon for pumps etc, changed the filter no difference, but no swarf in the fuel present
these mondeos are a reet pain int he arse
20-07-2010, 02:15 PM
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Here you go buddy, this came up after we yapped about it.
https://passionford.com/forum/techni...ight-help.html
What with you saying you hadn't come across the fix before...
https://passionford.com/forum/techni...ight-help.html
What with you saying you hadn't come across the fix before...
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20-07-2010, 02:20 PM
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Lol
It's always really helpful when you get your car plugged in and it comes back with an 'all good' response....Best of luck with it mate.
21-07-2010, 05:09 PM
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danW. captainC, kevinm - muchos gracias for your insights, thoughts and most of all , help with what I can only call a nightmare of an issue!
As usual am at work and my pal is doing the leg work on this car. Following on from no fault codes he scampered down to the scrap yard and promptly borrowed a pedal assembly for the tdci. Which was nice - a 5 min job and off he trots up n down the motorway, tryin his damnedest to get limp mode back. not a sniff,he said it pulls like a train, and maxed it out at around 1** ph. cough. anyway. its appparently tip top again, on way home now as seeing is believing and i'll TEST it myself. if true all i can say is what a result and cheers. S
As usual am at work and my pal is doing the leg work on this car. Following on from no fault codes he scampered down to the scrap yard and promptly borrowed a pedal assembly for the tdci. Which was nice - a 5 min job and off he trots up n down the motorway, tryin his damnedest to get limp mode back. not a sniff,he said it pulls like a train, and maxed it out at around 1** ph. cough. anyway. its appparently tip top again, on way home now as seeing is believing and i'll TEST it myself. if true all i can say is what a result and cheers. S
21-07-2010, 08:37 PM
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I REALLY REALLY hope it is the fix - However I've heard time and time again of people changing something, which then cures the car for a week or so, then it rears it's head.
Please let us know how you get on. I've properly got my finger's crossed for you, and if it works, you owe Captain Cotswold a pint!!!
Please let us know how you get on. I've properly got my finger's crossed for you, and if it works, you owe Captain Cotswold a pint!!!