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23-06-2010, 12:37 PM
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just watching the news and they speak to Mr Mrs Benefits
4 kids, the mum has never worked and the dad is perfectly able bodied but again, hasn't got a job and they are moaning with the best line being...
'It's hard, i got me debt management councelling for me debt and now i gota manage on less, and (pointing to the kid) it's them wots guna sufa'
With their mate also on benefits saying ' i woz guna get qualification and trainin in four years when my little girl is 7 cause i can't get a job cause i aint get no qualifications'
Where do they think their money comes from? Try working all week slogging your knackers off knowing a big chunk is going to scum like them!! Thats fookin hard, not sitting on your fat arse with 10 kids and a house full of bright house gear deciding if you can squeeze another ciggy in before you rustlers bugger is done.
4 kids, the mum has never worked and the dad is perfectly able bodied but again, hasn't got a job and they are moaning with the best line being...
'It's hard, i got me debt management councelling for me debt and now i gota manage on less, and (pointing to the kid) it's them wots guna sufa'
With their mate also on benefits saying ' i woz guna get qualification and trainin in four years when my little girl is 7 cause i can't get a job cause i aint get no qualifications'
Where do they think their money comes from? Try working all week slogging your knackers off knowing a big chunk is going to scum like them!! Thats fookin hard, not sitting on your fat arse with 10 kids and a house full of bright house gear deciding if you can squeeze another ciggy in before you rustlers bugger is done.
Thats quite funny lol.
23-06-2010, 12:39 PM
#42
I know of someone who hasn't worked for 18yrs, claims to have back problems so cant work and claims for it. Yet this is the same bloke who can build a shed, put up a trampoline, dig over his garden, puts up shelves and furniture. Its people like him its going to hit, the piss takers, and rightly so.
Im sure the cunts will whinge they have no qualifications and no one will give them a job, but they have no qualifications from being lazy shits and they are now unemployable as they havent worked in decades and their character is so out of kilter with the job world no one would employ them anyway!!
BUT that is their OWN fault. They can CHOOSE to sort their lives out.
23-06-2010, 01:16 PM
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My biggest problem with the DLA changes - is those of us who have genuine disabilities get screwed over by those people who falsely claim.
I am generally quite fit and healty - however with the condition I have there are some tasks I can not do or find near impossible despite surgery to impove the situation - things like doing up small buttons or standing still and balancing without holding onto something or rocking from side to side. Another is walking long distances without consequenses - Last week I walked the .5 mile to and from my local town - and whilst I managed it I needed to take painkillers when I returned due to the pain.
However it is assessed I am only entitle to the smallest amount. whilst a friend of a friend gets the highest rate awarded for life because he did his back in 10 years ago, and now works as a bricky with NO ill gains - go figure.
Yet no doubt these latest round of changes will mean I lose the little I get and he will keep his
I am generally quite fit and healty - however with the condition I have there are some tasks I can not do or find near impossible despite surgery to impove the situation - things like doing up small buttons or standing still and balancing without holding onto something or rocking from side to side. Another is walking long distances without consequenses - Last week I walked the .5 mile to and from my local town - and whilst I managed it I needed to take painkillers when I returned due to the pain.
However it is assessed I am only entitle to the smallest amount. whilst a friend of a friend gets the highest rate awarded for life because he did his back in 10 years ago, and now works as a bricky with NO ill gains - go figure.
Yet no doubt these latest round of changes will mean I lose the little I get and he will keep his
23-06-2010, 01:42 PM
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The one that is most tricky is mental illness. Our local copper is off work with 'stress' after witnessing an RTA. fucking idiot doesnt know the meaning of stress, and while it might stop him wanting to go back on the beat, its certainly no reason not to work!
23-06-2010, 01:54 PM
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I know it can, what i meant was, plenty of people milking it just like physical disability, but it's MUCH harder to determine what is and isn't real to avoid penalising those with a genuine problem!
23-06-2010, 02:07 PM
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Its not harder for a professional to work it out. Its dead easy in fact to see whos real and faking it.
the problem is mental health services are SOOO overloaded and poorly funded in the NHS due to stigma and unpopularity compared to physical illness (ie that cancer funding wins votes more than mental health every time) that most people suffering mild to moderate mental health conditions dont see a mental health professional.
Most people go in via their GP and it can be upto 2 years to get mental health treatment. As well as 6 months to get an initial appointment for an assessment which just wont be detailed enough.
A letter from the GP and being on a waiting list is often enough to get benefits and that is the stage where it is easy to fool the system. Remember GP's only get a short training period in mental health and you only have a 10-15 minute appointment at best as most GPs are very busy!!!
Unfortunately until you review the funding for mental health and take mental health seriously then the opportunity to abuse the system will continue. The fact that mental ill health is predicted in next 20 years to take over as the no 1 cause of time off work shows how serious the problem is yet most people just see mental health based on the old stigmas and that people should "get a grip" etc or that nutters dont need help but locking up as they will all end up killers like mr "shotgun" taxi man. until we beat those stigmas nothing will change.
the problem is mental health services are SOOO overloaded and poorly funded in the NHS due to stigma and unpopularity compared to physical illness (ie that cancer funding wins votes more than mental health every time) that most people suffering mild to moderate mental health conditions dont see a mental health professional.
Most people go in via their GP and it can be upto 2 years to get mental health treatment. As well as 6 months to get an initial appointment for an assessment which just wont be detailed enough.
A letter from the GP and being on a waiting list is often enough to get benefits and that is the stage where it is easy to fool the system. Remember GP's only get a short training period in mental health and you only have a 10-15 minute appointment at best as most GPs are very busy!!!
Unfortunately until you review the funding for mental health and take mental health seriously then the opportunity to abuse the system will continue. The fact that mental ill health is predicted in next 20 years to take over as the no 1 cause of time off work shows how serious the problem is yet most people just see mental health based on the old stigmas and that people should "get a grip" etc or that nutters dont need help but locking up as they will all end up killers like mr "shotgun" taxi man. until we beat those stigmas nothing will change.
25-06-2010, 08:35 AM
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There are a few of the Tory policies i agree with like the above, as long as they are fair with it all.
The budget is not fair whatsover! The only people who are going to fell the pinch are the low end earners! It wont afect the high earners whatsoever, so how the hell is it 'fair' and how are we all 'in it together'????????
25-06-2010, 08:55 AM
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That i do agree with!
There are a few of the Tory policies i agree with like the above, as long as they are fair with it all.
The budget is not fair whatsover! The only people who are going to fell the pinch are the low end earners! It wont afect the high earners whatsoever, so how the hell is it 'fair' and how are we all 'in it together'????????
There are a few of the Tory policies i agree with like the above, as long as they are fair with it all.
The budget is not fair whatsover! The only people who are going to fell the pinch are the low end earners! It wont afect the high earners whatsoever, so how the hell is it 'fair' and how are we all 'in it together'????????
That obviously isn't quite natural. People on low incomes shouldn't necessarily have the latest gadgets and things. The problem is; with all the cheap credit and very cheap shop prices, they got used to having these things, and now seem to think it's the norm.
They'll undoubtedly feel the pinch, but in many ways, I think it's just natural order being restored.
25-06-2010, 11:12 AM
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I agree to some extent but at the same time there is a HELL of a lot of people out there who both husband and wife work damn hard every day of the week to support themselves and their families in hard graft but low pay jobs, yet they are being even more penalised by the 'tar them with the same brush' attitude of the Tory government - and the likes of yourself!
25-06-2010, 01:26 PM
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Why should the rich shoulder the Burden of the low paid? The 40% tax bracket is ridiculous, if you work hard and do well for yourself, you should get rewarded, not punished by having to pay towards idle fuckers and people who can't be arsed doing anything more than a min wage job.
This country has a major major socialogical problem that sees success as bad/greedy etc. If you want nice stuff, get off your ass and work for it. Also just because YOU want children, why should I have to pay for them?!!! The child tax credit system is a bit of a pisstake, if you can't afford to have a child, DON'T!
People need to learn they are not automatically entitled to a life of luxury! Personally I think we are going to see the second spike of this recession over the summer as reality bites back in for some people....
This country has a major major socialogical problem that sees success as bad/greedy etc. If you want nice stuff, get off your ass and work for it. Also just because YOU want children, why should I have to pay for them?!!! The child tax credit system is a bit of a pisstake, if you can't afford to have a child, DON'T!
People need to learn they are not automatically entitled to a life of luxury! Personally I think we are going to see the second spike of this recession over the summer as reality bites back in for some people....
25-06-2010, 05:08 PM
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Why should the rich shoulder the Burden of the low paid? The 40% tax bracket is ridiculous, if you work hard and do well for yourself, you should get rewarded, not punished by having to pay towards idle fuckers and people who can't be arsed doing anything more than a min wage job.
This country has a major major socialogical problem that sees success as bad/greedy etc. If you want nice stuff, get off your ass and work for it. Also just because YOU want children, why should I have to pay for them?!!! The child tax credit system is a bit of a pisstake, if you can't afford to have a child, DON'T!
People need to learn they are not automatically entitled to a life of luxury! Personally I think we are going to see the second spike of this recession over the summer as reality bites back in for some people....
This country has a major major socialogical problem that sees success as bad/greedy etc. If you want nice stuff, get off your ass and work for it. Also just because YOU want children, why should I have to pay for them?!!! The child tax credit system is a bit of a pisstake, if you can't afford to have a child, DON'T!
People need to learn they are not automatically entitled to a life of luxury! Personally I think we are going to see the second spike of this recession over the summer as reality bites back in for some people....
25-06-2010, 07:52 PM
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there will be no quick recovery like past recessions.
nobody is entitled to a life of luxury. as they say, the world doesnt owe you a living.
Same with children. it should not be an inherent right to have children.
The attitude of "I want a child, but i cant afford it so government will have to pay" is totally unacceptable in this day and age.
25-06-2010, 08:23 PM
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I live on a new build estate, and have one young daughter (18months) I'm out of my house 13hours everyday working my arse of to pay our way. What gets on my tits are there are families who have bigger houses than we've got, have cars, smoke, drink (outside their houses like they own the fucking estate) and don't work (they have kids running riot around the estate) that gets me down.
I'm not on a mint and the child tax credits DO make a difference to me, I got made unemployed at xmas and instead of sitting at home claiming what I could I was phoning every local buisness trying to find work.
Instead of just being allowed to claim they should give them community service to do to qualify for their benefits, instead of being sat at home.
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