alan12112

18k for a mk7?!?!?!? OMG!!

I paid half that for my focus ST and it's better in every way!

Why is everyone going on as if the guy has financed the car? You all know nothing about him he could of payed it upfront? Finance has got nothing to do with this topic at all

But why oh why did you ever pay so so much for a fiesta mate? Jesus they must of seen you coming from a long way off!

and to all those saying why not get a 20 year old sierra than a new fiesta? - maybe he wants something safe for his mrs - not something that will kill her if someone crashes into her!

FasterFords

MPG ? Insurance ? running costs ? warranty ?

DanW@FastFord

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He's not a youngster. Plus it's his choice to spend his money where he likes.

Many would think it mental to spend thousands on a 'shonky old Saph!'

alan12112

His warranty seems like it's doing him the world of good at the moment!

MPG and insurance are both running costs and yes they will be more for the focus but not 9k more ffs!

alan12112

+1

ralphmyster

Upadte guys we over 40 so not young well only in the head LOL. Bob from heartlands gave me ring there tec guy, in fairness seems ok. He said they have told him to 6k, i Asked him would ford let mountune increase the rev limt he said NO he has asked for the dyno readout says he is on my side yet to be seem, As for letting ford put it back to standard they can do one. if they start being silly and this dyno gives a low reading will ask the to confirm what they act saying in writing once i have that bingo sale of goods act

ralphmyster

Another things its her in doors car, shes more for the looks. She works and has what she wants, we had the st fiesta before lot better car but always swaps at 3 yrs. i got the money to buy a rs focus cash no problems. car preformance means crap when your a superbike guy O -60 2.6 hahahaha but reckon this will being going back soon and she wants a honda R type.

Ebonycossie4x4

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apologies you came across a lot younger to me that what you are.

And Alan i was going on past experience, i am yet to know someone that goes into ford and pays 18k in cash for a fiesta.

And i was right! (not that it matters anyway)

Hardly shocking that she wants to take it back, Civic type R is a far superior car IMO.

DangerousBryan

one of the mechanics dads at work went into the showroom and paid 20k cash for a focus st 3 years ago. so yes it do's happen. do you also know the retail on a new focus 1.8 petrol is Ł18k. that shocked me more than paying Ł18k for a zetec s fiesta.

DanW@FastFord

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Why the obsession with the rev limit? Honestly, that's not the issue!

vroooom ptssssh

We had one on the rollers (AVA), I'm pretty sure it made 136bhp @ fly.

ralphmyster

136bhp sounds good to me. Its not a obsession, just when on the power run there was more power only the rev limter stopped it.On the graph it had not reached its peek and still going up. Moving the rev limit as some do, may have made it achieve its target. If this is wrong sorry

Ginger Will

I think it needs a chance to be run in. Ł18k for a Focus 1.8!!!!

vroooom ptssssh

If the power was still climbing, and it was possible (safe) to rev it more, then yes it would have made more power.

Maybe all the hardware (cams/exhaust) have been changed, but the ECU hasn't been remapped to suit?

ralphmyster

They had it back last week to add a file but, hand on heart it seems slower.A guy at TCH at Burton Upon Trent said he can take his car over 135 there is no way no how this car would do that believe me i tried LOL

vroooom ptssssh

Where did it make peak power?

I'll see if I can find the graph for the one we RR'd and can compare if its making peak power at the same RPM.

jon_ross

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oh sorry ralphmyter i just dont like moden cars just like most others, at the end of the day she wants it she gets it thats the best way to keep the peice, nothing beats old skool though.

i know is was being abit silly when mentioned rs500. youd get one for that but in the condition it would be in id rather have the nice escos for that, jon

ralphmyster

it was still going up when the rev limt cut it off

It's Czech Mate

Sounds like it needs to be run in and possibly timed properly

Escy

Not heard of the car before so just read up about it. what a pile of crap that engine is. Surely a 1.6 in a 'sporty' model should be putting out 140bhp standard, not as an expensive upgrade.

Christ, Citroen Saxo VTS is 130bhp and that was made over 10 years ago.

I've got a 1.6 Toyota, thats 170bhp standard.

I can't believe Ford even manage to sell these. Wouldn't an old XR2i rip the shite out of one performance wise?

DanW@FastFord

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I'm not quite sure why the OP hasn't come back on to tell us about his findings... He took the car to Northampton Motorsport to see what it would produce on their dyno. His Mountune 140 package made.... 138.2BHP.

I do hope he's apologised to his poor dealer

Fiddy

Ive got a feeling that he wont even be happy with 138.2, its still 1.8 down on the 140 it 'should have'

DanW@FastFord

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Seeing as it's 140PS, 138.2 equates to 140.1PS!!!

Fiddy

Oh dear, so its got exactally what it should have, and a tiny weeny bit more. there good them mountune boys

S1

It's a car that weighs 1540KG with 120bhp as standard, 0-60 is 9.9 seconds. Adding another 20HP is not gonna make a lot of difference to what is effectively a heavy-ish car.

It's Czech Mate

Strangled by insurance and emmisions regs in case you didn't know. Making the power is not a big secret that ford don't know you tool

Look at caterham etc. Same engine at 150-170 bhp with just cam, timing and exh mani

DanW@FastFord

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No, it's not going to make masses of difference, but it's definitely a lot more lively than standard, and to drive one you'd swear it was more than just 20bhp.

I know, on paper, the figures look a little dull, but it's a cracking little car. Even Jamie, who's a die-hard RWD nut had a great time in it.

PF Dave

... nor would he do much for the power-to-weight situation, either!

S1

I don't doubt that, my mate Alex from PF had a Mountune Mk7 for a short while and he definitely enjoyed it although the exhaust note is a bit chavvy for what looks a bog-std car. My point is that it wasn't a performance car to start with and adding another 20Hp won't change that.

CliffRS4

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So are we now saying that Dyno Dynamics rollers under read compared to other makes? Or does Mountune get near as damn it to the number with their conversions.

Maybe we should send Mountune Fiestas around the country so that all tuning companies can calibrate their rolling roads

Mountune Fiestas calibrate rolling roads FTW

Neil@FastFord

Or in other words.

"Jamie is a big fat bitch"

155lee

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well maybe he wants a new everyday 140 ps fiesta and not a once a week 20 year old rs500,wouldnt be much of a 500 for that.if thats what a new fiesta costs then thats what it costs.a non turbo engine will always be more expensive to get power out of and maybe 20ps for 1700 quid isnt bad,especially since ford will get a slice of that probably.the issue here is him not getting what he paid for,not buying a 20 year old sierra for equivelant money or paying 18k for a car he wants.freedom of choice is his right.

DanW@FastFord

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I don't know why everyone seems to think that Dyno Dynamics rollers are the word of God. Sure they're good rollers, but it's as much about the operator.

I would also wager that due to TUV approval, and Ford not wanting to get sued, that the Mountune conversions are on the money with their power claims.

Psycho Warren

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this is why i never will buy a brand new car. Wait 3 years and buy second hand. some other fucking mug can have the depreciation and dissapointment!!

CliffRS4

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Dan it was tongue in cheek from me as everyone on here seems to think that Dyno Dynamics are the be all end all of everything in the tuning world

ralphmyster

I have been away and just got back, the first thing i did was ring Heartlands ford. Well the guy at Northampton motorsport seemed a very genuine guy, and yes it did make 138. but in reality they are 2 different dyno tests. Different gears diffrent ways of testing WHO is really right. He said his was right but i bet dyno would say theres was right. This does not in any way detract from the crap service I had from ford uk and heartlands, telling me complete SHIT in needed 6000 miles. and for this reason this will be her last ford. what if it came back low MMMMMMM

jammerrs

my dad's landrover weighed just over that , fat fiesta

Ebonycossie4x4

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so after all that it was ok, or have i read that response wrong?

vroooom ptssssh

I found the figures for the one we had on the rollers 121@wheels, which equates to roughly 140ish@fly

Escy

If it's so easy to get 170bhp, how come Montune aren't doing it?

You say making the power is not a big secret that Ford don't know. Wondering what the best bhp/litre engine in N/A form is from a standard Ford? Not the ST170 is it?