WENNY

im about to start looking more into putting a ffd 6speed sequential or reylands skyline os geken conversion in the mk3

im after any feedback or info on pro`s and cons on both boxes as the expensive so only want to do this once

i think martins comes as a full kit, but what clutch and flywheel to use, i know i could ring martin and will once i have the money in full but just after feedback off anyone using one

the ffd, i know i have to change starter motor, but what clutch and flywheel to use and do i need a cooler different props

cheers wenny

Miller 3

iTrader: (4)

A good friend of mine had a os giken in his 750+ hp GTR and it broke on more than one occasion sent it back for repair and it broke again. I think it was sticking in between gears, not sure if it done any other damage, im sure a few others have had probs too but dont quote me on it mate... that is all i know tho

JonnyBravo

FFD is the way to go even if it is a big old

WENNY

well im aiming for 700bhp and weigh in at 1 tonne, it will be abused so it has to be strong lol

JonnyBravo

Seems to be the option I'd use as the next step is a massive amount more

WENNY

what the next step, i thought this was the limit

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

my mate broke his os gearbox on his r32 skyline running just over 600bhp

stuck a std box in and it lasted since he got rid of the car

the skyline boxes are strong and its what ill be running in the escort, but im hoping ive made enough room to use the r34 gtr 6 speed getrag,if i havnt ill cut more floor out

speak to llyodd off here as he ran a skyline gearbox in his mk4 cossie aswell

plus you can have rwd and 4wd on skylie box so you can get your rear tyres sticky on the strip after a quick burn out then stick in 4wd

TimC

iTrader: (1)

xtrac is the next step up

Kevin Sharp

iTrader: (3)

FFD is fit and forget in my experience,

my lux pack road trimmed escos with only the carpets and rear sets removed was running consistent lowish to mid 10,s with terminals of 140mph+ power was calculated at 675bhp from the weight and terminals

never broke....buy one and when you have finished with it you will get your money back!

WENNY

ye sounds like what i want, i got down to 10.30 last year, im going for 9.5 with this extra 160bhp etc an d a terminal of 150mph but we`l see

WENNY

im not into selling my house lol

rs-tuner

iTrader: (1)

What are the prices on these boxes out of interest

COCHYN

Weeeee getting finished

WENNY

35 grand

WENNY

ye the esc cos is going friday hopefully, then cracking on with the mk3, jst neeed to get a list of bits i need now

Kevin Sharp

iTrader: (3)

get all the kit from barra and you will have it up and running in a day.....good luck with the 9,s

WENNY

kev what clutch and flywheel, starter motor, propshafts did you use, and did you run a cooler

wenny

COCHYN

Wehey, I can actually help there, I know of places to get a cooler. That's what the one I have on my steering rack was for

J1mbo

iTrader: (1)

wenny, fit a ffd and forget about it mate, you will not regret putting the extra money into it

steven mc kay

kev i have your old box now mate , it was just fitted to my track car ,

thanks steven..

J1mbo

iTrader: (1)

steve yours is seq ? kevs in the escort was a h pattern wasnt it ?!

steven mc kay

wenny i will ask dominic mate for you, i no the rear prop i had was no good dominic sorted me with the proper one , i will ask what clutch ect i am useing and let you no,

i thought andys old engine was around 650hp.

thanks steven..

steven mc kay

mate i could be rong but i thought my box was kevs old one,

thanks steven..

WENNY

ye cheers steven, the motor was 670ish but im tweeking it a bit lol

steven mc kay

ha ha good one wenny.

thanks steven..

Richie.

iTrader: (5)

Yeah it is Steven, Jamie got Bara to convert it And you don't want to know how much that cost

WENNY

not cheap is it richie

steven mc kay

no mate i dont no what it cost to convert it, but i no what it cost me when i baught it off its prevs owner ,

a good ffd box, and ffd 7.5 inch front diff and sump and a good ffd 9 inch rear diff would set you back 18k at least , mabie i am rong.

richie, hows your car comeing along mate.

thanks steven..

lee2cossies

iTrader: (2)

Are you still going to be runnin nos on top aswell?

rs-tuner

iTrader: (1)

TimC

iTrader: (1)

Why do people say the term "fit and forget", nothing mechanical is fit and forget

COCHYN

You pay for what you get that's why.

TimC

iTrader: (1)

Yes but it dont mean it wont break!
Look how much do modern WRC boxes cost and they still break. I know of somebody who had a whine on 3rd gear in his ex Petter Solberg Subaru and im led to believe that it cost Ł22.5k for a rebuild, with a software upgrade to change gear quicker coming in at Ł4k alone from Prodrive.
It dont matter how much it costs, if it is mechanical, it has a lifespan and eventually it will break!

COCHYN

No offence, but your mates a f*cking idiot Give me a list of how many FFD's have broken, then I might swallow that crap

I'm not ruling out they don't eventually break, but driven correctly and not abused by some stupid little chav and they should last. Its not like Wenny does track days and everyday use is it.

JonnyBravo

I have to agree that its defintely not unbreakable, people have and people will break them, its just less likely to go wrong than one of the cheaper units which are sold as capable of doing the job when clearly they aren't.

Gary F

iTrader: (1)

I'm led to believe FFD's are pretty much indestructable, so you'd have to be really unlucky to break it

ian sibbert

FFD's do break, the two WRC esc's we deal are the 6 speed MS95's converted to sequential, they are prone to main shaft failure after a period of time....I know of at least three that have done main shafts, they arn't indestructable !!

The gears are huge and very well made...



Relatively speaking though we run FFD because Mr Bara is cost effective and a decent guy to deal with, always willing to help etc.....

The seq conversion does make them exceptionally nice to drive....the change is fantastic, but like any peice of kit, they need regular maintenance...

XTRAC are brilliant but double/triple the price to maintain....

You can get an FFD with with a standard bellhousing and starter arrangement or a bellhousing for the lightweight 909 starter..

We use a lightened flywheel with 7 1/4" twin plate paddle or 200mm AP carbon clutch...

TimC

iTrader: (1)

Can just start to see the wear on the dog teeth there Ian.

When are you next out? Wouldnt mind watching you out in action again.

COCHYN No offence taken, im just making a point that nothing is indestructable, and in the spirit of competition, especially rallying in the most up to date machinery, it costs an absolute fortune for a privateer.

Glenn_

iTrader: (1)

YYYYEEEEEHHHH the mk3 is gonna get finished soon.Wenny its a shame you have to sell your escos cause its a lovely car.Cant wait to see the mk3 escort back out.

andy escos

iTrader: (1)

so there is 39 posts & no one will say how much a sequential ffd will cost ? must mean if you got to ask you can not afford it