symo

You can say what you like on here or in fact any place but the fact is anyone who worked in mining or had parents in mining will not give the tories a chance because they closed the pits so that had nothing to do with scargill then?

gaz s1

Gordon brown was not hanging on, it was his DUTY to stay on until a government was formed, all parties recognised this, clegg was a twat saying he was squating and the only other people to complain was the gutter press sun etc, why cant people see this

Lee Reynolds

I dont want the tories in because i dont agree with their policies. The fact they did what they did to places like mine back in the day then deserted us just puts the last nail in the coffin!

gaz s1

it wont last anyway the tory right wing will flare up in the end its just a matter of time i see one tory mp has spoke out already nobody will rock the boat yet but after the honeymoon period ends sit back and watch the fireworks.

symo

Brown had to stay untill a goverment was formed yes but you cant help but think if the ugly twat had gone six months ago labour might still be in power dont know who could or would have replaced him but i think peaple lost faith in him not labour.

Lee Reynolds

Do i need to answer that

gaz s1

dont think it would of made no difference people blamed labour for the global recession, the same way they will blame the tories and limp dems for the tough cuts to get us out of it its just the way people are in this country and the blame will just come quicker when they cut too fast and drop us straight back into recession again!!!

What the tories need is the argies to invade the falklands again as thats the only thing thats going to save them from public backlasjh like good old maggie had in her day but i cant see that happening.

symo

I live in an ex mining area and even now i know of men who dont speak to each other because of the strike just think its time to let it go nobody gives a stuff about the steel industry some peaple still vote based on the tories closing the pits not on policies

Lee Reynolds

Im sure the people who were affected in the Steel industry give a shit!

The great strike and the pit closures should never be forgot, lots of men died down there to get our coal out.

The reason some men dont talk to each other, epsecially in your area with it being high on the scab scale, is because some people even in this day and age where communities have been divided still have principals! Good on them i say!

gaz s1

I just dont trust the cunts, something about them, dont know what gut instinct maybe, the way they cheered at the tory conference when osbourne announced inheritance tax made my mind up that they are cunts, dont really trust labour either but they try to help everyone even though they fuck up big style and i willcnever forgive labour for not having a referendum on the lisbon treaty
Best of two evils really and i aint mentioning the limp dems as they aint worth a mention!!!, ooops i just did.

Suppose the best thing about this election for me is i realised the bnp aint a viable option and went back to my roots hoping one of the main parties will finally stand up to the eu and sort immigration out, fat chance!!

.Ross.

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Ide be milking the system ... Buy a New Flat .. Flip it and have my Home here Fully Refurbed with a Bigger garage ..

Then Flip it back and have the mortgage paid for on the Flat ... (+ council Tax, New Bed, Red-Hot Dutch Porn Channel etc etc)

Listen to all the MP's say how iam an Honerable member and will be missed in the House of Commons ..

Sell flat for couple hundred Grand profit

symo

I know what your saying and i think peaple should have principals but you must agree that some peaple will vote because of the strike and not like you on policies

gaz s1

The hurt went too deep in them communities , kids really effected etc, maybe the mining industry was fucked i dont know the facts but it sure it could have been dealt with better than it was thats for sure, cant imagine it being dealt with the same in this era, thats why the hate is srtill there imo

Lee Reynolds

Thats the way of the world though mate. LOADS of people this time voted against one single man, Brown, and not on the party and its policies. I find that more irritating and bizarre than voting on principals, and dont forget its not just principals, its experience of the tory party and living under tory rule! Something a lot of voters have not had!

gaz s1

They just had drubbed into them CHANGE, not knowing what the change would be, i felt like bitch slapping cameron every time he said change on the tv, how about policies twat, no just say CHANGE and the voters will listen, well that didnt work did it as they have got to deal with the limp dems which is the only saving grace as they aint got total control to rape the country again!!.

symo

Very true but you cant blame the tories for everything had the dust caps nicked off my car the other night but if i find cameron had something to do with it ill fucking belt him lol

Lee Reynolds

It wasnt just the mines closing mate, it was the aftermath and the torys just left us! NOTHING got done to our areas under tory rule. It wasnt till labour got in that we started to see the clean up begin. They are still on with it now, the largest pit close to me where brassed off was filmed has only just had its massive muck stack landscaped at the cost of millions. They are now on with another one just up the road. There are areas like a place called Fitzwilliam that are still in depression since the closures. And people say 'just forget about it'.....

Lee Reynolds

lol i know but its been like that the last 2 years with Labour. Something goes wrong with a washing machine and it was 'that cunt Browns fault'

gaz s1

Then we had the tax on jobs they protested about which is hard on business but they are going to put vat up anyway which will hit business not only in the pocket but the nightmare htey have implementing it, hopefully they wont put it on food as that will hit the poorest but i aint holding my breath........

Cant wait to see what the greenie coalition put on road tax and fuel, then the torie voters on here will be moaning like fuck about the new government, be careful what you wish for.....

The tory manifesto was very vague on this new emergency budget, cant think why yea labour would have had to cut but something tells me the tories will have no compassion whatsoever cutting is their dream ticket its what they live for.

But we are one big happy family now with the blues brothers in charge so dont worry!!

symo

Road tax fuel and most other things will go up but its wrong to say that the tories are the only party who will do it if lib dem or labour got in things would still go up way of the world i dont want to sound pro torie because im not but lets just wait and see give it a chance before we hang the new goverment out to dry

gaz s1

Read the lib dems green policies they would have us all on push bikes if they had won the election!!

ooops they lost mp,s but did win

massivewangers

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Lets be honest, whoever is in government is going to spend the next few years fucking every last one of us. And to be brutal, we need them to. Things need to get more expensive, we need to pay more tax and we need to save money on public services.

We have a stupendous debt and we need to reduce it. It's gonna be shit, but that's life. You can all go on as much as you like about how the Tories are ruthless cutters, but if you honestly believe Labour wouldn't have had to do the same, then you're clearly on another planet. They had two choices; either cut, or keep spending and end up like Greece. I know what I'd prefer.

They may all be smiling now, but they must know that they run a big risk of being out of power for a long long time after the decisions they're going to have to make in this government.

It isn't going to be pretty for a while, but if it means that people on sub-£25k household incomes with two kids can no longer afford 42" TVs, brand new cars and a new sofa every two years, then that's just reality restored as far as I'm concerned. We were on a road to financial meltdown, it's time to hit the reset button and sort things out for the longer term.

Whether they get it right or not remains to be seen, but we'll just have to give them a chance. They've only been there two days. We'll see what the budget brings.

Alan_D

The whole Labour election campaign in Scotland was basically 'Remember Thatcher'. No one even thought about Labour policies. Pretty lame attitude when the country is in the state it's in.

I reckon this coalition might have a chance now. Was a bit dubious at first but a lot of people are coming round to the idea. Reckon it could be a goer!

BRAMMER

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It's all fucked for now. did i hear 25% VAT, Massive public spending cuts so well done to those that voted for a bunch of inexperienced tits

.Ross.

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VAT = 25% FFS ...

Nice .... Probably get a good deal on a Gas Guzzler ..

Public spending Cuts = Flood the Job market with Job-seekers ..

Psycho Warren

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Fuck it, dump them in france. Im sure 99% of them came here through france!!! Im sure the french police would soon "extract" the immigrants country of origin in "police questioning"

loads of industrys have been fucked over the decades. if everyone boycotted voting or a political party because of OLD deep seated hatred from the PAST, then no one would vote for anyone

People have to learn to move on FFS.

Dlatch!

who ever was going to be in power this term was going to be unpopular as there are many hard decisions to be made.

what i do have some hope for with this new deal between the tory party and the libs is the best ideas from both parties are put into action, this will benifit the country and to me i have hope that yes things will be tough but it will improve and our economy will stabilise.

labour done nothing right to my eyes they had 13 years and done nothing apart from throwing money round like it was water (just like they always do)

since the mp spending scandals have been exposed the game has now changed politics are being made much more open and all the mp's are now much more accountable for their actions.
honestly it was actually a pretty good decision for the libs to join the tories now at least we can see exactly what they can do now they have people with real power and are able to get some of their policies put into practice.
it won't do them any good come the next election but it will benifit the country as a whole.

interest rate will rise no way the low level imposed by labour can be sustained for much longer UK is in for a reality check and about bloody time.

gaz s1

MP,S more accountable youre having a laugh, please explain to me how they are more accountable???, they are already trying to bring into parliament a law where it will take 55% of mp,s to bring the government down with a vote of no confidence, in other words make it harder to bring this sham of a coalition down!!!.

Im sick of hearing the two culprits saying they are doing it for national interest, its obvious with anyone with a brain that giving up policies they were in their words passionate about just to get in power is in their own interests and the lib dems are more guilty than the tories in this.

Politics has changed yea right!!!!

The lib dems should have let the tories go alone, it would have failed but thats what the public voted for, i cant remember on my ballot paper a vote for a coalition i voted for who i wanted in power and so did everyone else, or maybe they didnt as a lot of people were advised to vote tactically to keep the tories out stupid imo but people did and you can just imagine how they feel now!!!.

If we had pr it would be like this every year no wonder the lib dems want it, what a disaster that would be!!

massivewangers

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Given the fragile state of our economy, and the difficult decisions that need to be made, do you think a weak government that collapsed within 6 months would have been a good way to improve things? I bloody don't.

There's no doubt that this lot are going to make themselves bloody unpopular over the next year or two, as anyone who'd got into government would have done. But the fact is, we need to get back in control, and that's going to hurt all of us. People just need to knuckle down and accept it's going to be hard going for a while.

gaz s1

you expect them to last past 12 months?????? plus the fact that europe is going to go total tits up in the next 12 months so our defecitmis going to seem nothing with whats to come!!

Alan_D

Reading this thread would make you want to kill yourself. Fucking hell, talk about doom and gloom.

twoblacklines

The mining industry was fucked either way, what happens when they ran out of the natural resources miners were mining for ? Or would you blame that on the tories aswell

gaz s1

Always positive me, europe really aint looking too good though which is a good thing if we can get rid of this stupid fucking euro superstate.

Lee Reynolds

Theres 100 years of coal left under where i am, nevermind everywhere else. So how about posting on something you know about

phil_rs

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massivewangers

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I'm not sure at the moment, but I hope they do. The last thing we need is another election and more uncertainty for the markets. We need stable government, so hopefully this will work out.

The lefties on here might not like it, and none of us will like what they have to do, but given the options they had, I think forming a coalition was far better than a minority government that would have definately fallen quickly. Least this way there is a chance it may last a bit.