dojj

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we know it's going to be bad, but how bad do you think it's going to get?

daz1977

were all going to be screwed lol

Cragrat

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aye get the lube out to make it less painfull

FletchCossie

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Petrol to rise above Ł1.15, wait it already has

You know they will say "No rise in petrol for 6 mts" cause the prices have already gone up

James @ M Developments.

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we need this

Diamonds.

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petroleum jelly....... no thanks thats gonna cost fucking loads...ill take it dry just like we have been

RWD_cossie_wil

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They are going to fuck us like a kid in Gary Glitters house...

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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I think James has hit the nail on the head although I reckon we will need a bigger pot of vaseline than that

Psycho Warren

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Its going to be sooooo bad that we are all fucked, unless your either super rich, or a benefit scrounge. Neither of them will be affected!

fordrallycar

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I think you are right Wil

Silver'Scort

Motorists will raped, drinkers raped, smokers raped, homeowners raped, any decent working class person raped, they might even start taxing the hours of daylight used just for good measure. Infact anyone with a pleasure in life will probably end up be raped

dannyblackpool

We wont get raped....................... YET, It will seem quite a good one infact im guessing, obviously worse off than before but not as bad as expected. Why?? Because its the Election soon and they will do it to keep in, expect the newly elected party to do a Budget straight away when in power and pushing things futher. All imo of course

Diamonds.

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good point there. there probably will be lubing us up so we got a smile... then if their back in charge POW right in the ass with a massive hairy horses cock

Alan_D

Whatever it is, it isn't going to be the kind of budget that's going to help pull the country out of this mess. That would involve a bit more pain first and voters wouldn't like that! So expect to see some totally insignificant fractional rises, with possibly some more tax on the superich. This will obviously lead to a substantial drop in tax revenue when they all leave the country, but it'll no doubt please quite a few ignorant retards.

So I wouldn't be too worried now. Worry about post election.

tsutton

Budget and the voting very close to each other... me thinks it's a freebie party political broadcast for the Labour Party!!

massivewangers

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I can see them trying to sugarcoat things a bit for the purposes of winning votes, as it will put Cameron etc in a difficult position, as if he says they aren't being ruthless enough, he runs the risk of losing votes for saying he'll have to make bigger cuts and raise taxes.

I would imagine there plan is to make this seem as good as possible and then if they win the election, they'll announce an emergency budget and screw us all some more.

Six months ago I would have said they had no hope at all of winning this election, but I really think Cameron and the Tories have let it slip quite badly. They were given it on a silver platter but I don't think they've taken full advantage of people's feelings towards Brown and Labour. I think it will be a lot closer than first thought. Can't say I like Cameron a lot, but I really do detest Brown. If they get back in, I'm emigrating

MikeR

It will be a mickey mouse one to win over uneducated ignorant voters then they will fuck people after the election if god forbid they get back in

Mike

Chip

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As above, they cant fuck us in the arse hard just before election time in case they lose votes, so they will just give us a little peck on the cheek and tell us all they want is a hug, then when we climb into bed with them we get bent over and fucked dry until we bleed, then they tax us for bleeding.

dannyblackpool

2% lager 10% cider
1p fuel april, 1p oct?? then 1p jan

dannyblackpool

think NI up 1p in the Ł1 for ppl on over 20k....

JRST

sad to say but it looks like we are going to all suffer.

Labour have made a complete mess and now they are trying to make us suffer for it.

I think all the parties are the same... all in it for themselves.

bj928

i don't care what they do, i'm working tax exempt in america for at least a year, may stay 3, and as long as i don't spend more than 91 days in the uk in any financial year, they don't tax my money either, so when my visa runs out, i'll come visit uk, get another visa and come back to america, land of the free and un screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alan_D

Well there we have it. Raising allowances and throwing money at us again(not the wealthy of course, they're bad). So it's time to spend spend spend, the financial crisis has been averted and Labour have, in effect, saved the world.

Oh wait... how is this going to pay off the debt? Yet another limp wristed budget by limp wristed muppets. But it will certainly please plently of ignorant voters. It just shows you where their priorities actually lie.

Lee Reynolds

And god forbid us even more if the tories get back in! As they will tear us all a new arsehole...blind fuckes who cant see through Cameron!

Alan_D

Cameron can't really show his hand anyway because he knows that if he tells everyone the truth about what needs to be done, they public will hate him. Just like plenty of scroungers hated Thatcher, but look at the economy she left us.

This is usually the way though; Labour/socialism get into power and cock things up, then the tories are left to sort out the mess.

Thatcher once said "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money". Oh how right she was.

Lee Reynolds

Dont talk like an areshole, who are you to call people scroungers if they hate the thatcher era? Who do you think you are?
I hate thatcher and the tories for totally distroying an industry through a political war with Unions and nothing to do with the actual industry it was about! We are still paying for that era now where i live so yes your right they left us in a brilliant situation hey!

If people think it will be better under the tories theyre sadly deluded.

Tell me how it will be better if the tories get in, especially for the working class. Im all ears.

Alan_D

Who do I think I am? For having an opinion? I don't recall calling you a scrounger so don't call me an arsehole, as if there's any need for it. At the end of the day, she didn't let people sit around doing nothing and get paid for it, which is exactly what New Labour have done. And that's also why that side of British culture will hate her. What's the point in even getting off your arse to do something with your life if you can just sit at home and get by anyway. This is the attitude now and it's lead to laziness in the extreme. It's clear to all that the economy was a hell of a lot stronger after Thatcher, and that is the point I was making. I don't recall saying anything about an industry in particular?

The Unions had the country on its knees and she wouldn't put up with that. Good for her.

You can't have it both ways though. I can see from your location why you probably hate Thatcher, mining communities obviously hate her and probably rightly so, but I wonder if you'd be enjoying the UK as it is today without the way she changed things. I know the city is hated at the moment, but that is solely down to commercial loans which should have had stiffer regulation, not their other activities which have generated vast amounts of cash for the UK over the years, and she was the one who was pretty much responsible for it.

I would also bet my life savings that she wouldn't have had us in Iraq the second time or Afghanistan, but again that's getting away from my original point.

Lee Reynolds

I didnt call you an areshole, i said dont talk like an areshole! Saying that all thatcher haters are scroungers is just typical of a tory and thatcherite, thumbing people down etc...thatcher loved folk like you! Typical of the big divide she liked between the rich and the working class! A dvide thats still here today!
Thatchers legacy is the destruction of communities, which has led to poor areas, with pooe education and bad drug problems, and cheeky fucker Cameron has the nerve to speak about broken communities like they played no role in the matter!
I dont for one minute think Labour are the be all and end all, theyve flooded the UK with immigrants for a start when the gates should have been closed long ago, but to think it will be better under tory ruling good god i dread the thought!

MikeR

Politics and religion are contentious issues and i think demographics are often involved, l was raised as a Military child so that is probably were my Tory leanings come from, that aside l dont believe that allowing to many people to sit on the arse and do fuck all and creating a nanny state has helped anybody, in fact it has really fucked society up. This country needs strong leadership and somebody that stands up for it's citizens and not Europe..

I was born in a working class town (Grimsby) and hate returning, people are not allowed to have aspirations and dreams, it is a culture that needs ending in my opinion.

Mike

Lee Reynolds

Thing is Mike, you speak like Dole, benefits etc are all part of the new labour and there was none of it under tory ruling!

MikeR

It's not Lee it was part of the Torys and will be part of the next goverment who ever they are, i really dislike the way Labour have allowed the UK's national identity to be taken away, l think there attitude towards the Armed forces is disgusting and l am not a fan of a Union holding a company to ransom (as per BA)

Why should hard working people, people who have gotten of their arse to work hard, to do well for themself have to fund a percentage of lazy cunts?? Our borders should have been shut along time ago, people travel the world to abuse the benifit state in the UK,

Gordon Brown was Chancellor for 14 years and the regualtions and infastruce in place to prevent a crippiling finacial crisis should have exsisted, to try and lay the blame at others feet is cowardly and an insult to the very people that pay his salary

Mike

Lee Reynolds

Thing is Mike, there are people who work very hard, but in jobs that dont pay all that much, why should they be the ones to fund the country? Theres people who do top jobs and deserve to be where they are, but get paid rediculous amounts of money, money they dont actually need in reality. they should be the ones who fund the country, and thats what labour try to enforce. Its about the only policy i stand by lol but for me its a big issue. The tories however place far too much on the shoulders of the working man at the lower end of the scale, making them even poorer, causing the big divide like they did in the 80's....The workign class are scum to the tories and i cant abide that!

I too disagree with the unions holding the likes of BA to ransom over pay etc. And i know whats coming next by me saying that - well what about the miners strike?. But the miners strike i remember and hate the tories for, was a strike to save an industry, not a strike for pay etc. Totally different scenario.

massivewangers

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Was the coal industry sustainable though? Genuine question?

Labour may traditionally try to help the poor man by taxing the rich man, but New Labour certainly don't do that. They're on the pay roll just like the Tories...

Lee Reynolds

The coal industry was being heavily subsidised. It needed a shake up not destroying. Thatcher had it in for the trade unions and was 'having the miners', this was always known back then by scargill etc, but is widely known now to anyone who wants to read into it all. Not that they will. Thats why she imported coal for 12 months proir to the strike on the quiet, as she knew once closures were announced the miners would strike, the strike would last a long time as the government didnt need to negotiate as they had coal, and the longer the strike went on the more the public would turn on the miners....and she was right. Got to give her credit where its due, she knew what she was doing!
The people what still bang on about it being subsidised and thats why they were closed need to pull there head out of their arses and look into what its cost to close the mines down!

massivewangers

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I suppose the next question I'd have to ask would be, how much would it have cost to keep them going?

I've head rumours that some people in the industry were getting paid huge sums, but obviously I have no idea how true it is.

Lee Reynolds

It would have cost to get them re structured etc, but then it would not have needed subsidising. I reckon the cost of restructure would be a drop in the ocean compared to what it cost to close them. Its not just the mines think of the knock on effect it had mate.
As for people being paid huge sums, not the workers!

Chip

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Im not sure it was viable at all, but the problem that a shake up would face is the unions they just wouldnt allow ANY change at all, as is typical of most unions of that era.
Mate of mine did some consultancy work up at longbridge and there were portions of the factory that were running at 25% efficiency compared to what they were designed for in terms of manpower simply because the unions wouldnt allow that to be changed as they wouldnt allow any job losses, then what happened of course, was that the company went bankrupt because the unions were forcing it to be unsustainable.
Its the unions not thatcher that killed coal mining IMHO, if they had been for change and accepted redundancies etc as part of that, then it might have been possible to have the shakeup you menition but the reality was that wasnt even an option, it literally wasnt worth discussing any sensible option with them, as they would have just dug their heals in and demanded more subsidy etc.


fucking right she did, and bloody good thing to, those bastards were ruining this country till she came along and kicked the shit out of them.

[quote]and was 'having the miners'[quote]
Yep, she made a brilliant example out of scargill

fucking right she did!
dont agree with everything she did, but she certainly did what needed to be done with the unions, this country would be far worse off today if it wasnt for her IMHO
Some of the privitisation im not sure was the best option, but realistically she knew (and was right) that things like the trains and water and electric would never run smoothly in the hands of the UK state, so its probably just a case of she knew better than me and thats why I disagree


Less than it would have cost to keep them open till now, imagine the amount of health and safety that would be involved by now, and the amount of claims that would be happening for respiratory injury, if we hadnt closed them when we had, we would be fucked by now even more!

Chip

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The unions wouldnt have allowed any restructuring, you are living in a dream world!
Back then if they so much as dared to change the fillings in the staff sandwiches it was "EVERYBODY OUT!" for a month

dojj

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that reminds me of an episode of the simpsons where homer becomes union rep and bruns say he can have anything he wants, as long as he steps down from union rep

and afterwards he say something along the lines of "i think i've been fooled"

Lee Reynolds

Chip you know everything about anything dont you!

You talk shit mate and have no idea on the subject. you obviously have no grasp of the kind of money it has cost to close the mines...do you think it was just the cost of filling the shafts?
Its been proven in the last few years that uk coal is a viable source if structured correctly.
As for being better for the country with them being closed, better for ignorant areas like yours maybe where it didnt happen on your doorstep so its ok, but certainley not better for areas like mine where we are still suffering 25 years on.
Typical ignorant Tory where figures are far more than peoples lives, livelihoods and keeping communties together. . Even Tebbit admited the closures went too far as thatcher got it in her head to destroy the miners and hence destroyed communities!