danneth

mate seriously

danneth

ahh good old windows, now where getting somewhere

that fact that you go on about crashing rebuilding and viruses so much i can now see why you like macs better as you obviously have no idea how to run a pc/laptop

when my nan died my grandad started using a laptop for summert to do he has NO idea about comps and is about 70 but he muddles his way round the net emailing people and using forums for his harris hawk doesn't use any anti virus etc etc in 3 years he hasnt had one problem does make me wonder about you lot

Ebonycossie4x4

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HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS.

You are so blinkered.

Please tell me what you do for a living as you are in a dreamworld.

danneth

honeslty im not blinkered thats the mac users mate

serious about what? i haven't seen you give me one good answer yet

and im a sparky not sure what that has to do with anything?

Ebonycossie4x4

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youres is 1 PC.

the main advantage is that i have the rolls royve of personal computing.

Its deathly silent. - so is mine. NOT AS SILENT AS MINE
Does not crash. neither does mine YEAH BOLLOCKS
Does not need updating every 2 mins - neither does mine what would want updating? ERM MAYBE ALL THE SECURITY FIXES!
Does not have viruses. how many times the MAC does have viruses NOT MANY, I THINK THERES 1 PORN VIRUS AT THE MOMENT
Does not need rebuilding. and a pc does? wtf I WORK ON SCANSTATION PCS ALL DAY AND THEY ARE CONSTANTLY NEEDING TO BE REBUILT DUE TO REGISTRY CORRUPTION
My Browser isnt hacked into every 5 minutes. ive never had a browser hacked? ARE YOU ON DRUGS DO YOU NOT READ THE PAPERS!
It does not overheat. once again do some research macs do overheat so do SOME laptops very rare a pc would... YOURE TALKING ABOUT THE LOWEST FAULT RATE OF ANY PC MANUFACTURER. ANY ELECTRICAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT CAN FAIL ITS FAR RARER WITH MACS THOUGH.
It has some of the best software you can buy. only some of? i have the best software money can but and its free BUT YOU WONT BE RUNNING IT AS SEAMLESSLY AS I CAN.
It runs Logic which could make me a multi millionaire. ye look how bad bill gates has done WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUCK HIM OFF ASWELL HE STOLE THE IDEA BEHIND WINDOWS ANYWAY!
It has one of the most beautiful 27 inch screens you could ever want. i can buy a top of the range 120hz monitor for £220 IT WONT BE LIKE MINE!
Its all built in with no wires. you mean like any other laptop or wireless pc? BUT YOURE CONTRADICTING YOURE OWN ARGUMENT A WIRELESS PC IS JUST AS HARD TO UPGRADE BUT BUILT NOWHERE NEAR TO THE SAME STANDARD
It looks good when people come in my house. only thing i will agree on looks well done THANKYOU!
Whenever i do need windows or any other operating system i can run it with no issues just as i would on any pc but with the best hardware. best hardware you do realise its no different to hardware from pcs and laptops ALREADY ANSWERED

Ebonycossie4x4

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it has something to do with not knowing what your going on about.

you have the experience of your own PC and want to judge everyone elses.

I see 200pcs a day but all them pcs running windows are different to yours and yours must be a magical super PC.

its like me going into an electricians and telling him that one plug is better than another when i know very little about plugs!

Ebonycossie4x4

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anyway im fed up with it, every thread about a mac you and johnny b have to come on and talk bollocks.

If you like youre pc thats fine. Ive used my past experiences of PCs and macs and ive decided to go with a mac.

You stick with youre pc and ill pay a fortune to own the best LOOKING equipment on the market as you put it.

danneth

so much dribble in one post :-(

i cant believe you think you need to rebuild a pc...

i wonder why the failure rate is lower on a mac could it be due to there been about 9 pc's to every mac

there are a few viruses out on the mac and not all to do with porn search google its your friend

what does me reading the paper have to do with me having my browser hacked ?

i dont need security updates as i dont really use it... so again what updates do i need to do?

a pc is easy to upgrade you un do the 4 grub screws insert new parts etc and its done? so what are you talking about now how do you upgrade the mac parts again


dan had the common sense to stop trying to do comeback's as there isn't any really you keep trying and as funny as they are to read if you have a read back you will see your not really the brightest on this subject

DanW@FastFord

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Danneth, let it go - there is absolutely nothing you can tell me that is going to sway my opinion.

You've yet to say a single PC fact that has impressed me, or made my loyalty waver in the slightest.

I can clearly see how on paper a PC makes a better buy, but in the real world, for me, the Mac is the hands down winner.

I've also no idea why you keep bringing up viruses. It doesn't matter that you're such an uber geek that you've single handedly wiped them all out - look at the rest of the world. What proportion of PC owners have ever had a problem with viruses? What proportion of Mac owners have? It's a question with an answer so obvious it doesn't need answering. Sure with good anti-virus software you can combat them - but to try and claim they aren't an issue in the midst of a Mac V PC debate is really rather foolish.

I've worked pretty much every day for the last 14 years on Macs and I've yet to install or run a single piece of anti-virus software. Is there a single PC user alive who can say the same?

danneth

your experience? please this is you who thinks the mac uses different hardware to any other pc? but yet calls is far more superior

i spent £700 on my pc and apart from looks which im not to fussed about it blows any mac into the water... not rocket science is it

danneth

Im not trying to sway opinions if you read it im interested to know what advantages a mac has over the pc to make it 3x more expensive thats all which no one can seem to answer??

as for the viruses i dont keep bringing them up just answering questions about them mac users seem to be under the impression they dont exist for them pointless talking about % to as the numbers of macs vs pc aren't even close

danneth

Graham Cluley, a security expert with anti-virus firm Sophos, told the BBC that the small number of Mac viruses had made some users complacent.
"There is a lot less malware on Mac than for Windows, so Mac users sometimes feel invincible.

Ebonycossie4x4

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if you read every negative post you put on macs you would understand the reason why you piss people off about most things you comment on.

You dont even speak the lingo, rebuild means format and reinstall windows.

ill wait to see how many years it is before i get a virus i dont need to search for every little answer like you do

The reason why you should read the paper is because IE was hacked into about 3 weeks ago to such a point that bill needed to create and release a fix as quick as poss.

so youre pcs reliable but you dont use it.. Hmmm

IA wireless pc is not easy to upgrade as the motherboard is usually fitted to the case therefore not having the ability to change it when a new chipset comes out.

the reason why i do not sound bright on this subject as you put it is because youre pissing me off and im just replying as quick as possible.

I would love to have the opportunity to prove to you how much better a mac is.

You have absoloubtly no experience of using a mac in youre day to day life but youre trying to tell someone they are overpriced shit.

I however have the experience of using pcs every day for the last 10 years and now using a mac for 6 months.

Do i not have more qualifications than you on this subject and more ability to judge.

Youre entitled to youre opinion, And im entitled to mine, if youre ever in the area i will gladly take you for a beer and prove to you they are better.

Until that day arises youre going to have to believe what you believe until you buy one.

Ebonycossie4x4

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I DIDNT SAY IT USES DIFFERENT HARDWARE.

I meant the screen and keyboard and possibly the best mouse ever to be invented. And to be fair the hardware is slightly different anyway if you was to do youre research as you put it.

Are you running 4 gig of DDR3 at 1067 mhz in youre pc for 700 quid? Because there £120 quid for poorly branded ram straight away.

Ebonycossie4x4

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Thats because we are invincible.

danneth

ahh sorry i was under the impression rebuild means your actually building and not just changing the software

as for IE i dont use it for the said reasons you mention

i dont need to use a mac to " know " that it wont be as quick as my pc it wont play games, boot up, shut down, load programmes, zip files etc etc as quick as mine so not using one is not really an issue to me

as for the beer ill take you up on that

DanW@FastFord

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You brought up viruses!! And even a basic grasp of mathematics reveals that percentages are the only way to accurately compare the affect of viruses on a larger sample v a smaller sample you div.

I told you in pretty much the first post why they're worth more to me and other Mac users - because WE prefer them. You don't, and that's fine, but don't be so naive to think that there aren't people with opinions different to yours.

The point you seem to be missing - with near-autistic levels of inability - is that it's largely a subjective issue, an issue of personal taste, and as such reciting all the geek stats in the world is going to change nothing. Ever.

Thanks for the amusing and lively debate, I'm off to bed now to dream about 22in MacBook Pros!

Adrian

Horses for courses. For Graphic Design nothing, and I mean nothing, will come anywhere near a MAC.

We have tried at work to tempt the designers of our glossy mags onto PCs and for the amount of high end stuff they do the PC comes nowhere near it.

Newspapers on the other hand... subs swapped to a PC and didnt look back.

I personally dont like macs, but for certain jobs its the best thing out there.

FletchCossie

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From everyone I know who's used a MacBook and a PC everyone has said to get a Mac. Ive used a mac for 15mins before and have no idea what Im getting into, but if its anything like my IPhone (Not literally) Im sure I will love it

Which is the best spec MacBook Pro to get? The 13, 15 or 17inch? I was going with the 13, but it seems the 15 and 17 are getting better processors? (Thanks to the link posted earlier for the info )

danneth

4gig 1600mhz corsair dominator 9-9-9-24 slighty tweaked £118

danneth

your missing the point dan i only asked for the advantage of them as there 3x the amount in some cases and from what i can see the difference is in the looks no one else had told me anything else...

someone said they dont get viruses and i just wanted to point out they did as so that isnt an advantage

nn x

Ebonycossie4x4

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2.66GHz Intel Core i5 (quad core)
8MB shared L3 cache
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM; supports up to 16GB
1TB Serial ATA4; 7200 rpm
Slot-loading 8x SuperDrive with 4x double-layer burning (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
27-inch (viewable) LED-backlit glossy 16:9 widescreen TFT active-matrix display; 2560 by 1440 pixels; millions of colours; IPS technology
Built-in iSight camera; Mini DisplayPort output with support for DVI, dual-link DVI and VGA video (requires adapters, sold separately); supports input from external DisplayPort sources (requires cables and adapters, sold separately)
ATI Radeon HD 4850 with 512MB of GDDR3 memory
Built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11n Wi-Fi wireless networking2; built-in Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
One FireWire 800 port; 7 watts

Its an impressive enough spec for me all in an amazing looking case thast completely silent with only 1 wire coming out the back!

danneth

its ok, but theres plenty of flaws in there for me but if your happy with it

Ebonycossie4x4

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Ok you got me its a good price...

Look power is not the thing here. Theres no need to have some of the specs people have on pcs.

As said if i wanted to play games id play my ps3 in 1080p on my 52 inch LCD.

Look as i say you can choose what you like im just trying to offer my first hand experience.

I will not sway from macs now and believe me a lot of people are waking up aswell.

You have only got to try and buy some of these quicker macs in the shops to realise they sell quick and are constantly selling out in the apple shops near me.

Theres a revolution starting!

Ebonycossie4x4

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look if youre ever down here let me know and i would try and talk you round that way, unfortunately even though my keyboard is perfect to the touch it is starting to hurt my fingers and its past my bedtime lol.

Ill let you night owls continue.

danneth

Im not trying to sway people from anything im just curious as to why people choose the MAC when its so overpriced IMO, as good as it might be in some areas i cant help but think people buy it because of the name, looks and its more a fashion thing but if thats why they want it then fair enough

danneth

chow

P_is_for_Paul

My 13" one has firewire. Not that I'll ever use it!

I had a pc and downloaded a lot of films/tv shows etc and after a while I got virus's and blue screens and computer ran VERY slow. I'm alright with computers when it comes to using them, don't have a clue how to get rid of a virus, what Linux/Unix and all the crazy shit you guys are talkin about lol, but what I do know us that I've downloaded a lot more stuff on my
mbp now than I ever did on the pc and it's yet to blink an eyelid!

One thing I would say though is when using it for an hour or so, it's bloody roastin underneath!

ProjectBobcat

Im unsure whether or not to get a mac, Ive always had pcs and my reasons for sticking with my currrent one are that its readily upgradeable and if something ever did go wrong then parts are readily available everywhere immediately. The other worry I have is that I push photoshop pretty hard with multiple large files (commonly 1gb+) and i found that 32bit photoshop struggled in comparison with 64bit which isnt available for Apple.
I know adobe creative suite was maybe a traditionally mac based program but it seems to be better for windows now?
Im also worried that id be paying for a fashion accessory, the prices seems a bit mental for a similar spec to a pc and i cant really justify more than doubling my outlay for a slightly worse spec. Ebonycossie4x4 you seem quite pro mac, can you advise on why im wrong, I admit I dont know enough to make a decent judgement and if someone can convince me that buying a mac is better id be happy to, im not stubborn or anything.

Im not worried too much about the crashing/virus aspect tho because Ive been fortunate enough not to have problems with either (im relatively sensible with what i download) and i use acronis trueimage to backup onto a spare drive every couple of weeks anyway.

Thanks

RANJ

im a windows admin, if they are setup right, they are just as relaible as a mac

FletchCossie

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Sorry boys and girls, I don't care whats better out of a Mac and PC. Im getting a MacBook

Which is the current best to purchase, the 13 (991 model with 2.53ghz), 15 or 17inch models?

DaveEscos

Macs are the tits! they are just UBER cool

who gives a fuck about whats inside them

they just work with each other flawlessly.. oh and they look the tits.

MUCH better than your pykey acer / dell laptops / pc's etc!

Since getting an iPhone and an iMac, I've turned in to the ultimate apple whore with a mac mini, apple tv, tiem capsule etc etc

I quite fancy a macbook pro aswell... not that it will get used much!

Its Dave.. can you get good staff discounts??

Benni

Mac's can and do crash, I use them often at college and have many times had a little colour wheel come up and the Mac has shit the bed. I found them very hard to use when I first got on one, and I still prefer Windows and I use both regularly.

I'm told this will change as I get more used to them, but been on them over 6 months, lol.

Benni.

danneth

@ tags

M4tty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxOIe...eature=related

good old vista lol

Ebonycossie4x4

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Im not getting back into this again but Ross photoshop is far better on a mac its what they are made for.

Ive used the full creative suite on both a fairly quick pc and a bog standard mac, in my opinion it was nicer to use and quicker on the mac. and the pcs specs were better.

Heres a very recent news article on the subject you have raised.

According to MacNN, Adobe is getting ready to release CS5, which will include a 64-bit version of Photoshop, sometime this spring. The lack of 64-bit support in the CS4 version of Photoshop for Mac was a major blunder by Adobe.

The addition of 64-bit support indicates that Adobe has finally decided to abandon the older Carbon-based code that CS4 and earlier versions of Photoshop were based on, and move on to Cocoa, a more modern programming platform. Adobe is already using Cocoa in Lightroom 2 and other 64-bit aware applications for the Mac. The process of moving Photoshop to Cocoa must have been a daunting project, because it would have required unwinding years of code patches and making a fresh start with Cocoa, the object-oriented development environment used in most modern Mac applications. The switch to 64-bit will remove the 4 GB memory limit from the Mac version of Photoshop, and the change to Cocoa will force some changes to user interface elements.

It's about time, Adobe. Welcome to the 64-bit world of Snow Leopard and beyond.

Ebonycossie4x4

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Have you ever been a mac admin then to have the experience to make that judgement?

The windows environment that you are the administrator for, are the pcs running a specific build that is locked down so the user has no freedom?

or have you got x amount of pcs all running completely standard windows builds with standard A/V Software?.

It really does not compute how someone that is experienced equally in OSX and Windows can come to the conclusion you have.

But if you honestly believe that then great.

Ebonycossie4x4

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What mac is it at college your using? What operating system are you on. the wheel is just like the hourglass on a PC its not the mac crashing mate.

The beauty is that if you still prefer windows while youre learning mac then if you own a mac you can still run it, until you realise how much better osx is and then you will never boot into windows again.

DanW@FastFord

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Loving your dedication to the Mac!

Ebonycossie4x4

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thats my lot. I went to bed pissed off last night and didnt get to sleep for a while. Passionford is seriously bad for your health!