General Rules:-

- Stupid parking (i.e. any parking not in a clearly marked place) will be rewarded with a 100% guaranteed winning ticket to pick your car up from an exciting location in Adenau. This means verges, over kerbs, abandoned next to mates cars which aren't moving etc...
- Crap parking will also be rewarded with a day-long ban from the Nordschleife AND its car park.
- Parking capacity will be expanded before season begins to match the above enforcement
- No change to basic rules - no vids, no paid taxi laps, etc...


It seems they are going to come down HARD on cars that arent prepared correctly!

Car Rules:-

- Bonnet pins are now TOTALLY verboten. Even if covered with tape or rubber. It's flush mount or standard bonnets only
- Interior trim - NO sharp edges or even tatty-looking 'rip outs' will be tolerated. You must have door cards installed, you can't leave shin-breaking metal beams uncovered under your dash.
- Roll bars and cages must be padded where your body will hit them. This will be checked more.
- Expect more TüV time - this is where a Meister guy from the the standards body here in Germany spends time at the gate spot-checking for safe and unsafe cars. This can only be a good thing provided the decisions are consistent.
- valid MOT certificate, tax-disc and insurance that does not have funny small print. if you already fail to produce any of the above criteria then game over.
- weld in or bolt in cages only with certificate from the manufacturer or TUV stating the complete construction of car/cage is safe and solid and from within the last two years. same applies to harness bars, especially concerning the welds.
- seatbelts/seats/seatmounts fall in the same criteria, so unless you have a certificate from a governing body (uk or germany does not matter but german preferred) saying the construction is save.
- bucket seats and harnesses will only be tolerated when mounted on corresponding subframes and only seats/harnesses still within FIA will be accepted at spot checks. anything out of date will not be tollerated.
- perspex windows is another sore point on modern cars as they are part of the carrying structure of the vehicle. not so much a problem with older cars with rubber seals.

Copy and pasted from another forum.

discuss.

 

If this is true then 75% of their customers are now gone I'd say...

 

Do seem very strict then rules.

 

They won't be enforced because of the above reason it's just an excuse to get rid of badly prepared cars

 

cages and seats out of date after 2 years??? bit crazy that.

granted for competitions that is fine due to rules ad safety regs but for track day (non competition use) cars thats extreme and means new seats and cages every 2 years!!! quite an expense. if thats enforced there must be a way round it!

 

so does that mean if you got a porsche gt3 rs with cage welded in from factory, once the car is 2 years old it cant go on track again. not that i have a porsche gt3 rs, well only in my head, lol

i got mk3 escort with bolted in rear cage, out of date bucket seats, out of date harnesses, no rear door cards, and bonnet pins......that my trip off then

 

jesus they have gone strict this time

 

These can't be the actual rules or is the sarcastic bits something that someone else added on? Crap parking cannot be an official rule and if it is it won't be written like that!

 

Yet you can still go round in a coach? Seems a bit odd to be so strict, yet so random at the same time.

Why no bonnet pins? It's not like there's pedestrians to hit?

 

its for the bikers.....but surely youd see them and give them a wide bearth anyway, its not like youd come to within inches of their rear wheels, and even if you did surely unless you ram them they wont come off onto your bonnet anyway

the only way i can imagine a biker landing on your bonnet would be if you were going round the outside of him on a corner and he highsided, but whats the chances of that

unless im missing something

 

starting to think this isnt true.

need to see the official rule book.

 

it means the certificates for the items need to be within the last two years not the parts so you will have to get them checked and certified when expired

 

God this seems a bit much...I very much doubt they will enforce all this, On the other hand maybe they have been told to toughen up a little....There are a fair few accidents.

 

even if you do give the bikes a wide berth, sometimes they get in the way in corners and cut in front of you at the last second and unless you brake in the middle of the corner which is dodgy, you can end up being very close through no fault of your own.

personally, i think the rules cannot be too tough. they can afford to reduce the number of customers, so why not cut the risks?

 

Agreed, less customers can only be a good thing, but i think it seems like there targeting the wrong kinda people! Totally agree with the insurance and mot certificate though.

 

oops my bad. still an expense though.

lets face it, there are ALWAYS going to be accidents on there as it is a racetrack after all and people will push their cars and themselves to the limits and beyond!!!

 

safety first is only a good thing for all involved and the seat and harness 2 year rule has been about for a while in msa events so it looks to me there just lightly following the blue book safety rules

 

It's not a racetrack! It's a toll road.

 

It's a racetrack, don't be foolish enough to think otherwise.

 

If it reduces the number of accidents, track closures and at worst case scenario fatalities then it can only be a good thing.

 

Totally agree with you fella.... it`s been a long time coming, it`s amazing the amount of lethal looking shitters you see going out onto the track when you are there..

At the end of the day the organisers are under pressure to reduce accidents and stop any public do-gooders trying to shut the place down, so anything that preserves the place for genuine enthusiasts is a good thing surely ?

 

 

its absolute bollocks rules the fact is if your english at the ring you are judged and sentanced on first sight. The english automatically bare all costs whereas if your german or other europeans there is no costs if track has to be closed or damage some armco causing accidents its nothing.

 

wonder if an IVA test pass would be enough for their "standards"

 

I just dont see how they can justify their stance on the following which is what they are saying:

Cars must be road legal cars, which an MOT'd english car with insurance IS

Cars must be TUV approved now too, which there is no requirement for foreign cars to be


I suspect that the rules are aimed at german cars and that people are wrongly translating it that it applies to UK cars too, door cards arent a legal requirement for a UK car to have an MOT or to be used on the roads in europe, so if they are still insisting on keeping up the charade that its a public road not a racetrack I dont see how they can then start altering the rules about what is legal as per racetrack type rules.


All that said though, I think that the changes are largely for the best and although not convenient to some of us with modified cars (imagine what they would say about a nova with an engine in the boot, lmao) they all sounds perfectly sensible rules to be imposing.

If they are worried about bikers being hurt by bonnet pins though then why the fuck dont they just have seperate car and bike sessions as if im on a bike and getting hit by a car the last thing im going to care about is if it has bonnet pins or not!

 

on my last trip in November so many bikers get going over... they stopped them going out!!!!

first time I had ever heard them do that. Was VERY nice with just cars out there!

 

I'd love to see where those rules are coming from. I looked at the german nürburgring website and could only find the rules for 2009.

 

What was the weather like?

I wouldn't ride round there if you gave me a free ticket! Never mind november when it's probably cold and wet

 

it's nothing to do with law - it's a private business and they can impose any rules they like

 

I wonder if they will start doing the same on the M6 Toll?

Its a weird situation IMHO that it can be a private venture and yet covered by road laws, but obviously like the M6 example I just gave, its possible here too.

 

Love this - I wonder how many people on here who are moaning like fuck about a few changes to make it safer and ultimately more enjoyable have actually BEEN round the track -and no, a computer game does NOT count!

If the above are enforced then excellent IMHO - Makes it better for the people who spend time and money getting things right - Should also stop people dumping a cheap UK car in Germany for the year to let anyone have a go in it and then do a runner when binned into the armco!

 

Lovely and sunny!

BUT it had been raining in the night and track was VERY greasy in places.

Hence bikers going down left right and centre!

 

Some of it is semsible and a lot of it is FIA stuff anyway, likes of roll cage padding, and doorcards. They need only be sheet plastic but it stops you fipping your leg up in a crash. Those sort of things are attention to detail and dont really cost.

Needing harnesses and seats in date is just daft however IMO.

Under those rules i could take my locost, 3 days after an IVA test that certified it as safe for uk (and by extension european road use) and be refused from the ring as my harnesses wont be new and my seats will be unapproved and while made to msa guidelines my cage wont have (or need in the uk) a certificate or sticker....

Even in the case of a competition car, you could run over, and take it out on track, but if its an 8 year old prepped shell you have been constantly developing the piece of paper for the cage is now too old to satisfy ze germans and youll be told to go away?

 

Alistar - I see where you're coming from 100% but there are a lot of dangerous motors out there in which people think that it's alright to bray round the the road in without taking into consideration that each lap has the potential to cost them in excess of Ł10,000 if they crash, let alone if they kill someone!

 

i too can see exactly where youre coming from, and I completely agree that something needed done to police the standard of cars (the british MOT contrary to popular belief does not mean its legal to use on the road.....)

I Just think they have gone too far by effectively life'ing a competition prepped shell to 2 years, demanding that trackday drivers replace belts and harnesses as often as those in serious competition and looking for test approval which simply doesnt exist.

ironically the easiest cars to get through that test are standard road cars with no buckets, 3 point seatbelts and no cage........ I know what id rather be in!

 

They've said the same sort of things the last two years (2008 this was first brought in).

Last year they had TUV people down. However the only casualties I saw were idiots who think as there car is German (VW Audi etc) they fit plates with 'D' and then a UK registration. This is of course illegal in the UK, over there it is basically driving an unregistered car. Cloned or stolen, the drivers had to show V5's or get a fax sent from the DVLA. Then somehow get new UK plates before the cars were released!

 

Brilliant

I fucking hate those plates people use over here, such a cliche.

Its a fucking idiot thing that i dont want to understand

 

It's a DUB thing, you wouldn't understand





lol

 

yes thats the saying I was taking the piss out of by saying what it really means

 

The best thing is some have fake seals on the plates aswell. If you get caught with them over here, you'll be in very serious trouble.

It kind of equals photo-copying a tax disc and sticking it to another cars windscreen.