The Rapid 1

OK
Long and short of it, work are changing my shift pattern, tried looking at all loop holes I can find but basically they are just changing the days (pattern) I gotta work, so are still within my contracted hours (over the AVERAGE 17 week pattern)

What sort of Official notice have they gotta give me before I have to start working the new pattern, as it means major disturbance to my lifestyle (and 3 other guys on the night shift) with things like looking after our children at hours when wives/ex's are at work and we are house husbands, fathers

And if you could supply any internet links to these laws/rules that would be much appreciated so I can have written official proof of this for if and when it is needed


Thanks in advance

Mods know this prob aint right place for this but would appreciate it if it could be left here for a bit as this is causing major grief and stress at work (two blokes seriously talking bout leaving) and the more help evidence against it we can get the better

Steve

Stu @ M Developments

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Id say this fits "General Discussion" very well Steve.. no fears, hope you get sorted pal

Ginge !

they have to by law take the child minding into consideration, if ya cant look after ya kids and ya cant get a suitble childminding ect then they cant do fook all but allow the time ya need to look after ya kids


i know as i now dont workm weekends as i gotta look after my kid as that what my half custody forces me to, my work and i had to work round it ( obv) and i did give em 4 months notice ( as im nice !!!!)

they cant sack ay for it as were in a labour government , anything to keep people off the dole

same as they cant have a go at ya if ya half to take a day off work to look after ya kids, BUT then can also play rule book with ya and find otherways to fook ya off


hence why i hate for nige to be my boss as he knows the rules sooo fokking well id be signing on

The Rapid 1

Cheers Stu

I been searching the net for all relevant hours stuff and like I say think they got us, but to be honest the fact we havent been working our full contracted hours for the last two years dont make the new pattern any more pallatable, the pattern we have been working although not quite what we been contracted to do (a few hours a week short) is what they wanted us to do when it suited them, so we as family people have set hour lives up arround this pattern, we dont work nights for the fun of it we do it as a means to surnive arround our lifestyles, I for one can say 100% the fact of working nights helped in the split of me an my wife of 13 years , one of the blokes talking of leaving has been told by his wife they see so little of each other now if he has to work this new pattern she is leaving (they have split once before for a year so it not an idle threat)

Sorry for going into more detail but just annoys me so much how these companies just dont care what they do to peoples lives

This will be the 4th time for my mate in 6 years they mucked his life about (no wonder she getting fed up really)

Asking about the timespan of notice is
A/ a way to just be as awkward as we can with em
B/ try to find out anything else we can or try and work out something more amicable to all parties

Steve

Ginge !

well what ever days ya cant work it tell em the genuine reason !!!!


if however its contractual tell em that ya circumstances have changed and deal with it that way

i would in retail and i was contracted to work a 7 day rotor !!!


i now only work monday to friday and as much as they hate it theres fook all i can do as i have my other kid at the weekends as i got half custody !!!! thats what the judge awarded me ( the fooking wankering coont ) and they cant say work and dont see my child, very very bad for them to and they cant sack em as i can still work my contracted hours and there open the times to allow me


i repeate again, having kids is great

The Rapid 1

Ye know that with another bloke once they were prepared to pay for a childminder untill things could be worked out so he did what they wanted, but,
A/ how much for four of us for this(cause we all in same boat)
B/ I dont want a childminder looking after my son, my wife and myself WANT to do it

When my wife and I were married she changed he job 4 times to suit my companies needs (as i far out earnt her) as they changed my shifts
Dont think she'll be wanting to do that again now we aint together anymore (and dont expect her to either) As I said earlier blame my company for the major contributing factors of my split , but gotta have money comming in


Steve

Ginge !

then get visiting rights on the set days yab need they cant refuse that as thats the only time ya can see ya kids !!!!!!


they cant refuse ya seeing ya kids if ya willing and are able to work other times around it, the worst they can do it NOT give ya different times and just allow the working hours ya got minus the times ya cant work

say in my case they could have cut my hours from the weekends that i cant work but nit gave me extra hours ton work it up ( mind thats what i actually asked for , they decided they could give me all the hours )

The Rapid 1

Ye well the new pattern they want me to work is this
6 days on
2 days off
6 days on
2 days off
6days on
2 days off
6 days on
2 days off
6 days on
3 days off
5 days on
3 days off
and then back to the top with the six days on

You try and fit a social life arround that or organise anything

The reason they want us to work this is for better coverage (they taken a new guy on, and allowed a guy to move from days to our old night shift pattern (he moved so he could do the baby thing around his wifes new job) and after 1 week of him moving shifts they tell him this, and the new start been with us 3 weeks then he gets told ) so ON AVERAGE the have three guys in every night due to work load, despite the fact that for the last 8 months they have been supplying no extra cover if one of the guys off for any reason leaving 1 guy to run what they now callin a 3 man shift (on the old pattern it only gave 2 men per shift cover, that why they taken this new bloke on and changed the pattern)

Steve

The Rapid 1

Dont know if that would work exactly, the sort of things are taking the kids to school through the week and picking them up after school and then sitting for a few hours each school day, plus some weekends, we would end up not being able to do any days per week Hmmm TOP IDEA lol

Steve

Ginge !

speak to personel as 6 days a week aint legal at all !!!!! what hours ya working as they cant FORCE ya to work ove a cirtain amount and the kids thing NEVER fails !!!!

ive been milking that since i had my first kid and found out m get ya foot in the doorm dont like the job and want time off, look after kid or ask for payrise for child care

Ginge !

no just means that ya will be allowed to leave them times to sort it out and then return !!!

if the kids at ya house over night then ya got to be at home !!!!!, they cant make ya work that day, think of a storey and then work with em on it to get the old rotor back, just dont tell ya mates or then things will be too hard to do and you will loose hours and they will get a guy to fill them hours !!!!

The Rapid 1

Sorry but 6 days is LEGAL, looked into it, even for the night shift, legal requirments for nights is 8hrs on an average 17 week pattern.
The legal limit is 48 hrs a week without signing an opt out contract
and unfortunately 6x8=48 hrs

And by throwing in them couple 3 days off and 5 day in block working that out comes to EXACTLY the allowed hours (or actually my contracted hours of 40 p/week which is 680 hrs)

Steve

The Rapid 1

being totally honest i aint as affected by these changes anymore as my mates are, as my wifes hours aint as bad since she left, they will be the ones that suffer worse this time arround.

but it aint just taking the time off to do our child needed duties as we at home anyway for the taking and picking up from school, it just cuts down our time for sleep or socialising (aint u noticed my lack of apearance here over the lst year or so )

There loads of evidence out there about how night workers health and lives suffer as it is, best ground we got going to local papers and putting the "look how our company treats us " angle, we meant to get more sleep working nights so our health dont suffer not less

theres also things like accepted guidlines about supplying hot meals for us, but our company decided cos it was costing em money to run a night canteen they would just shut it so we cant have a proper meal they supply (cause they make) microwaveable ready meals (ye the old shitty ones no one likes or ones they over made or faulty in some way) but u tried queeing for a microwave with 50 other people and eat your meal in time allowed

These dont all directly affect me cause i work in different department to most and can get round these, it just the way the company treats people that really annoys me

Steve

Ginge !

yeah but ya get payed more for night shift based on that unfortunatly


as for the microwave meals well if 50 people are using the microwaves surly thats caining the electric bill also


they are doing all thats required though, no more but no less


thats the bitch of the law, they allow a minimum and companys use that as a standard

i get payed shit money, wont get a pay rise and do way tooo much work then im ment to, i wanted to fook em off so i decided i dotn wanna work weekends

Ginge !

haveing kids is the same card as the women use for carring stuff and there monthy issues and being opregnant, there also what the disabled people use to there advantage ( and fook me they get rights !!!!!!!!)

why not do what im doing and look for another job


ya cant help bad managment, ya gotta work with em or leave, that all ya can do

The Rapid 1

Yep agreed , which is what it looks like for a coupleof the guys

Me personally wont just leave but am deffo gonna be looking now, trouble is they pay a pretty reasonable wage, which i unfortunately have been living to , trying to find someone else who pays me enough to pay my bills aint gonna be easy

The guy i am talking about with his wife threatening to leave him, is willing to sell his house get black listed money wise (ie not pay his bills and get em written off) just to be out of there now

Is it right a company should be able to drive a man out of his home. (respect to him for keepin his family together as he and his wife have agreed that is what they will do, down grade there lifestyle to be together )
(too late for me now)

Right off to the shit hole for another fun packed night now

C if I can get on from there (work load dependant )

Steve

Ginge !

thats he spirit dont let the bastards drive ya down !!!!

The Rapid 1

Drive us down lol think they trying to flatten us with a steam roller

Up for the day walkers oops soz day workers

can someone bump me back up once through the day just for any more advice plz

Steve

Eagle

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dunno about the 48 hours bit mate .. we had to sign it for working over 40 hours..

and back up..

Billabong

bttt for Steve

Daveyboy

As far as i know, you are entitled to 30/31 days notice of any intention to change/alter your contracted place/times of work. This may however be subject to change in the small print of your contract. But i think that is the norm.

Ive just been given the 30days notice that my place of work will be moved 20miles away in the middle of feb. sod all i can do about it other than find another job. not that i want to

The Rapid 1

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The Rapid 1

Cheers Chaps

All the sites I been reading have been saying 48, but that just what i been reading lol

Ye well I never used to want to, just each change u think well it cant get any worse, but over the last year with all the small little changes, makes u wonder how much to put up with, was once nice little cosy job, with only draw back being nights, now may as well go find meself a day job somewhere else, its just that money thing, they know they pay good money, so many people have left and then come back (not just in engineering but company wide), so treat u like shit, suppose that same with all companies in general just for what I do and how close it is to home and as said for the money it keeps me there, well for a bit, but will this time be looking round for something else

On my original question think the minimum as Dave says is 30 days but heard 90 bantered around, btw I am on a monthly contract (staff) and was hoping due to the arrangements that could need making they may have to give us the 90 days , but cant seem to find anything specific detailing this

Steve

Eagle

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any use mate???

http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/work_time_regs/index.htm

RANJ

oi big boy


ur bits will be with u tomorrow

The Rapid 1

Cheers Pete, but not what im looking for, had been to this page previously

Only found one article so far which tells me a time scale that they got to give me for notice of change. Unfortunately it says there isnt any "law/rule" just they must give "reasonable" notice.

Fooking laws always in favour of the employer

Steve