1374lee

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As above I have recently been looking into the Emerald K3 ecu,it's reasonably priced and looks quite advanced compared to a P8 or L8 Weber ecu,so it should be given the evolution of electronics nowadays.
Anyway just wondered if anyone has one fitted to their cossie and what they think of it really.
Two drawback I see is that
1.it can only be mapped by Emerald,not a cossie specialist-cossie specialists wouldn't map this ecu.
2.Is it to modern/advanced for a cossie and a bit over the top perhaps?

Any help/views would be greatly appreciated good or bad,just be honest with me,pm me if u don't wish to comment on the thread.

MANY THANKS.Lee.

clarke5700

ooooo dear ill make the tea.....

lee2cossies

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I was told that they are not svery well suited to a turbo charged car as they were originally designed for non turbo cars,if that makes any sense!

1374lee

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Yes Leigh,I saw this on their website.
Thanks.Lee.

Toe Knee

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I beleive tabs uses an emeral ECU with good results mate.......

james kiely

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is emerald the one tabetha uses?

1374lee

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Yes it's the ecu Tabetha uses,I have spoken to tab at length about this,sounds really good,as I stated above is it to complexed for a cossie and u can only have it mapped by Emerald then obviously so u r limited with one tuner and not a cossie specialist either,that's what concerns me.

CheeRS.Lee.

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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any mapper can map this but id advise not to use one on a cossie..its not to advanced at al and infact theres much better out there for the money..pm me if you want any advice..

cheers danny

mechanic28

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why waste all that money going over to that when a l8 wil do all you need on a cossie?

1374lee

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Danny,u have a pm.
Thanks.Lee.

Spiky

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No point re inventing the wheel lee

l8 will be more than enough

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Perfect reply

pee vee

stay L8...
emerald can be mapped by anyone, not just emerald.

hell, ive had a go at mapping mine and chip has lol

L8 is better suited in a few ways, firstly because your loom wouldnt have to be changed, and also because there is so much support available for that system. + more

Chip

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Too complex?
FPMSL
Its one of the cruder ECU's out there, especially the mapping software which I could write better than if I was pissed and in a hurry, I cant believe he doesnt just employ someone for a few weeks who knows what they are doing to give him a hand with it! Its fucking shockingly ameteur crap.
The ECU's themselves work ok though once they are mapped, nothing fundamentally wrong with them.


Eh? Anyone can map emerald if they can map, the only additional thing they need comapred to mapping a decent ecu is to have a wall handy to keep banging their head against while they are mapping it.

Dave is without a doubt the person who knows them best though as is certainly a good recomendation but he isnt the only one who can do it.

As per spikey though I wouldnt replace an L8 with one, it works great anyway and the only reason to replace an L8 in the first place is get the option to be able to more easily remap it, which if you arent doing it yourself anyway makes it pointless to replace really, unless you happen to be going to a specific tuner who chooses to use something else.

scruffythefirst

I've got one and I'm very happy with it. Works out cheaper in the long run as Dave's rolling road time is very cheap and I'm constantly changing spec. It's also handy in a light car to have it mapped without a big boost spike, but as said any custom map can do this. It's got some handy gadgets - switchable maps, in gear boost adjustment, coilpack. Not plug and play on a cossie, but fine on my Dax where everything is bespoke anyway.

1374lee

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Chip,thanks for the information,much appreciated.

Spikey and Doug,I hear what u r saying,u may be right there,save myself a few quid ey.

CheeRS.Lee.

opposite lock

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I thought you could use the oringinal loom using the Emerald K3 ???
Im sure the ecu is 'suitable for boost'???? surely ffs?
Ive been out in Tabs car , all seemed to behave perfectly admitately it wasnt huge boost tho. From memory i cant think why it wouldn,t be good for a cossie turbo reading what is said about on Emerald website.
Can the level 8,s run such good emmisions , as mentioned a million times b4 Tabetha,s engine runs .97 co on large injectors. This must be benifical for the engine and overall running . Im definately considering the switch , i know theres lots of other ecu,s but you get attached with what you learn and im finding it very difficult to see where a k3 will be not worth it. I,m really not too bothered on the tech mapping software etc etc just want a lovely controlled engine , with a few tricks to play with . 3 different maps, sounds awsome to me. What i know abt ecu,s you can write on a stamp by the way , just expressing how i see it. Please tell me different if im wrong ,
cheers mike

Chip

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Not without chopping the end off it to swap it over to the emerald wiring requirements.

Yes it is.

Yes and in fact the transient emissions and economy when mapped by someone who knows what they are doing will put most aftermarket ECU's in the shade, even proper ones not just emerald

I believe it runs 4 wheels as well, but surely like getting basic emissions right thats also easily acheived?

What would you use the 3 different maps for?
Rod for example as one map on his cossie on autronic, and that works for shopping and doing over 200mph and everything else in between.
Unless you are going to reguarly run on different fuel types, why would you need a switchable map?

Spiky

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becuase it's "cool"

Chip

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It would be ok if it was on an ecu where even doing ONE map doesnt make you want to cry when you are mapping it at the shit fucking interface imagine doing it all 3 times though, id sooner slam my bollocks in the bonnet

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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It is horrendous to use live !

tabetha

Why would you want three maps, so you can use it on your road car, and use it on your track car, and another track car if you're that lucky, to have a different setting for any reason, why buy 3 ecus to do this when one can do this ?
The loom doesn't need changing, the supplied end is about an hours work to put on the original loom, but if your using a 20+ year old loom and expecting it to be relaible with no lecky probelms you may be surprised and wish you had.
Why buy a ecu just because of the name paying over the odds for features you don't even want.
Going from my L6 msd chipped ecu, was like heaven esp at the fuel pumps, I was amazed at the extra off boost power.
I've spoken to lee at length, I don't give a shit what he does.
Although chip knows vastly more than I about this subject, I do no he doesn't know as much as he thinks.
Chip as everyone is entitled to thier opinion though, dave and others don't have problems with emerald mapping.
It wasn't designed for turbo cars where the hell that came from I don't know did they accidentally do the software for it.
The boost control is 10000000% better than my piece of shit L6 with msd chip, though the GGR chip was much better anyway.
tabetha

Chip

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Any ecu can have the map swapped over when you go between cars anyway, and IIRC the "switchable maps" on the emerald doesnt include things like different sensor settings between the 3, so if they were different cars it would still need to have a new map loaded each time.




Yes it does, it will not plug into the emerald, you either have to bastardise it or make another loom, just like you can on ANY aftermarket ECU (in the case of the S8 you can just plug it it on the standard loom though which IS a case of the "loom doesnt need changing")

Who on this thread has mentioned paying for an ecu for the name?
I buy them for their features and interface which is why I would NEVER buy a shitty emerald, its terrible, have you EVER mapped a car on anything else? Im guessing not and that all of your comments about the emerald are based purely on the fact that you simply dont know any better as you have utterly no experience of other ecu's?

Well if you come across anything I am wrong about then PLEASE correct me as I would love to learn more, even if its about the emerald as despite my hatred of them I still end up keep having friends stupid enough to buy them so still end up mapping them!

Other than dave, who is of course massively biassed, I cant name a single other mapper who knows what they are doing who would list emerald as their favourite ecu to map TBH!

It works fine for turbo cars if you alter it over to be MAP based, although weirdly lots of the people mapping it dont do so.

sounds like your MSD chip wasnt setup correctly, mine was perfect, who installed yours and set it up?

opposite lock

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I,d personally like 2 maps , one for normal road and track use, and one for 95 ron when going to my mums 300 miles away. I,d rather burn the shit stuff to get there tbh. lol at you chip about mapping it, it sounds like a nightmare haha , not my concern though thts what you guys are for lol.
chip it does sound interesting you say tht a level8 does have the ability to be more efficent (if thts what ur saying)
Ok so base idle co,s arent everything i guess but it shows it can refine it nicely. From a customers point of view is it a bad thing the software isn,t up to the standard of others?

Chip

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What you would want different on the two maps?
Why cant one map be used for both?

L8 has multiple octane switches as standard so you can already do that mate!

Its so annoying, im a qualified software engineer and hence have written stuff like this for a living, so it really is something I know quite a bit about, but sadly whoever wrote that software doesnt!

Well this is true, if you are getting Dave to map it anyway (which is a good idea, he is a VERY good mapper) then its of no concern how its done

Manufactures spend a lot of time on such things, and dont forget that although the YB and economy dont go hand in hand, that ecu is used on a lot of other vehicles too.
The problem with the L8, is that most of the chips out there arent very good, you really need to have YOUR car mapped by someone like Karl who really knows what he is doing in order to get the most out of it.


Emerald can give good results in terms of both economy and power mate, and like I just mentioned, if you arent mapping it anyway then the one really annoying thing aobut it wont adversely effect you personally anyway

opposite lock

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i see the point about the 2 maps. I was thinking you,ll have a lower boost setting combined with the ign settings to be more fuel friendly with say 95 ron fuel. Ive never been worried about it but it does state ideas like this on emerald site. Im not keen on 'in car boost adjustors TBH , id rather it set .
I guess a few people will very interested in this thread, so Chip is the ecu 'shitty' from my point of view? Its such a big blow when this is seen being said and can perhaps put people off for no GOOD reason , not havin a digg just purely for the forum , taken to Daves, K3,d you agree thats a good move? Im only putting it across like this as my guess is most people reading this will be non mapping people pretty much just after the result at the end of the day. However i personaly like ALL views but can get tricky sometimes to see through mist and where your at and coming from. Your a top pro mate and 100% take on board what you say.
CheeRS Mike

opposite lock

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I was looking forward to your response Chip to the above post .
I was looking for some clarity on the big picture about a subject on the thread!!
Its not the ecu in question its the value your comments bring , almost seems like there,s an issue with this K3 and yourself. As mentioned above you may put people off for no GOOD reason.
Thanks Mike

Mark Shead

If you want to run 95 ron and then 97+ron it would be recomended for the ecu to have knock control,
As you will not have a clean tank of 97+ and the engine can experiance dett thought this if the map was run for good power on it.

Mark

Ryan

mark does the autronic have built in knock? as 95% of the ecu's i see dont have it as standard and requires a stand alone knock box option.

Mark Shead

Autronic has the option on the Scooby and Evo pnp boards and it works very well,
On Vipec the V44 needs a external box and the V88 has it on board.

Mark

Ryan

ahh ok similar to others then.

cheers

markk

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where can i download this emerald software?

Jay,

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why mark is life that bad the old and i mean old trial version is on there site

markk

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I just want to see just how bad it really is compared to the others ive used.

Jay,

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http://www.emeraldm3d.com/em_software.html

markk

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yeh, ive just had a look, and its like nothing ive ever used before, fisher price anyone ??

opposite lock

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wehh techy,s are about , cool but im still thinking sod the software i just want to drive the bloody thing lol.

Jay,

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and youve only looked at it try and use the gagging shit , its not impossible but its nasty

markk

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no thanks,

though saying that DTA was a poor do the last S60 I played with, stil used a tuning box for live adjustments.

Ryan

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